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**Frazzled**

reds8n wrote:

..well..... I was hoping for something a wee , well a LOT TBH, more cyborgy than this.

He looks like someone from American Gladiators.

**Platuan4th**

Frazzled wrote:

He looks like someone from American Gladiators.

Nah, the American Gladiators fit into Marvel better than this.

**DarkTraveler777**

Platuan4th wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

He looks like someone from American Gladiators.

Nah, the American Gladiators fit into Marvel better than this.

Seems like he should be dodging balls. Or wrenches. Because, if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball!

**Breotan**

I just saw the Sif episode on Hulu. This is the type of episode they should have opened with. Instead we got a weak pilot followed by that ridiculous "Oh, noes! The Peruvians hijacked our super-techno-spy plane!" follow-up.

Principle characters are still dull although Fits and Simmons are less annoying of late. Got a feeling we're going to get the same old stuff with the "Blazer-from-Dodgeball" episode.

**LuciusAR**

I'm not sure if Captain America: The Winters Soldier is out in America yet (by the lack of a main topic on the board I’m guessing no) but It's going to have to be acknowledged by Agents of Shield soon as the events of the film will have a huge impact on the show.

Spoiler:

**Eldarain**

It hasn't so i didn't check out that spoiler tag.

As a vocal detractor of this show I'm compelled to give credit where it is due. The last two episodes have easily been the best so far and I'm actually looking forward to the next one (which won't be a multi week delay for once.)

**Zond**

I watch this show because I love to torture myself. It's like Iron Man 2 and 3 on repeat with even less charisma and stupid nicknames.

**bbb**

Had to Exalt that, Zond. Sometimes I feel like I'm too alone in my dislike of IM2 and IM3.

I keep watching with the hope that it'll get better and lately at least it has been.

Thor 2 give me hope that Cap 2 will be at least fun, but the buzz I keep hearing about Cap 2 is crazy in how good it sounds. Really looking forward to seeing it this weekend.

**Paradigm**

Those of you in the US still watching AoS, is the first season still running, and if so, how many episodes have there been since the one with the train? Just trying to work out how much of the series is left for the UK.

As much as the show was awesome (in my opinion) before the break, it's been even better since. The Magical Place, Seeds and Tracks have all been really good. The show has really found its feet now, and the plot has started moving along very nicely.

**bbb**

Paradigm wrote:
Those of you in the US still watching AoS, is the first season still running, and if so, how many episodes have there been since the one with the train? Just trying to work out how much of the series is left for the UK.

As much as the show was awesome (in my opinion) before the break, it's been even better since. The Magical Place, Seeds and Tracks have all been really good. The show has really found its feet now, and the plot has started moving along very nicely.

The one with the train was episode 13. We just watched episode 16 which takes place right before Cap 2

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If you've seen Cap 2 already, that might lessen the impact of episodes 14, 15 and 16, but the last half of episode 16 was REALLY strong and has me very excited to see Cap 2 this weekend and see what they do in the last 6 episodes of the season.

**Paradigm**

Good to know there's still a long way to go then, I'll be getting my marvel fix for a while yet. I've not seen Cap 2, so I look forward to these next episodes.

**Zond**

I must say if that any episodes tie into Cap 2 in a meaningful way then they'll probably be better by default. Cap 2 is probably the best addition to the marvel cinematic universe since Avengers. I might be tentatively interested. If not I can just enjoy when they go to the awkwardly named place of the week. I'm hoping for the greenhouse.

**Compel**

I'm incredibly p***ed off with Channel 4 in the UK at the moment for leaving us so far behind.

I imagine we'll be getting some confirmation at some point that

Spoiler:

- Right?

**H.B.M.C.**

Seeing Cap 2 this Sunday.

And yeah, Agents of SHIELD has got a major bump in quality for the past few episodes. The show looks to have finally found its feet. That doesn't excuse the drek we got at the start of the Season, but it does mean that this is a normal "season 1" show that takes a while to work out what it's doing.

**TheMeanDM**

I have to say, I was happy to see that they at least somewhat incorporated the original look of Deathlok into this episode...curious to see how/if they do a "reveal" of his more cybernetic side....

**Goliath**

I'm going to go with him losing a battle in some way, being injured and requiring more 'upgrades'.
'Wait, didn't we already beat that guy?' 'Yeah, but he has a fancy new *insert limb here* this time'

**Breotan**

TheMeanDM wrote:
I have to say, I was happy to see that they at least somewhat incorporated the original look of Deathlok into this episode...

Too bad it was only a special effect in a computer monitor. The costume and acting is so far away from the actual character that I don't even care about Deathlok. Too many sins committed by this show early on. The interest level is only becoming acceptable in the past two or three episodes. Whedon is a sh*t storyteller.

**TheMeanDM**

Holy crap I did not see that twist!

Or should I say-both- twists!

Makes me wondet about if that agent at the end is a triple (?) agent...?!

And not having seen Cap 2...I do wondet who the "top" Hydra moles are.

Are we talking some of the people on the video screens giving orders to Fury during Avengers?

**Kanluwen**

That was quite the episode...but it definitely seems to be taking place not in the "aftermath" of Winter Soldier, but during the events of Winter Soldier.

So the "top Hydra moles" seem to be the chaps from the film.

**Breotan**

TheMeanDM wrote:
Are we talking some of the people on the video screens giving orders to Fury during Avengers?

Spoiler:

**AduroT**

Kind of saw that coming. Not that specifically, but I knew something big was going to happen to/with him. He had a happy, heartfelt moment earlier on in the show and that is something you never want to do in a Whedon series.

**Ahtman**

I have a feeling that of the two HYDRA moles only Bill Paxton is the only real one.

**H.B.M.C.**

TheMeanDM wrote:
And not having seen Cap 2...

Then why were you watching this episode???

Ahtman wrote:
I have a feeling that of the two HYDRA moles only Bill Paxton is the only real one.

I hope you're wrong, because then the balls I thought the show displayed tonight would be clearly fake balls.

**Ahtman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope you're wrong, because then the balls I thought the show displayed tonight would be clearly fake balls.

I hope so too.

Edit: Looks like it may be real. Interview at EW:

LOEB: And part of what’s so much fun is being able to go back and look at the pilot and see where Coulson says to Ward, “we haven’t scores like yours since Romanov.” Now, at the time, you probably thought “oh, that’s a really good spy.” But then if you think about what Natasha has done with her life and the number of identities she’s had and the number of people that she’s burned along the way, that may have not been the best compliment to give somebody.

BELL: Let me put this on another level: Ward had put Garrett on this plane for a reason, and so he had to come in and be accepted to this team. And so if you’d look at how he related to everyone — Coulson loves projects. Here is a guy who didn’t have people skills. So Garrett says, can you help this guy Ward round off some of the rough edges? So he comes onto the team. Coulson is now vested, because he’s got a project. Who is Ward’s greatest threat? May. What does he do? He seduces her. Who is the one unknown on the team? Skye. He becomes her S.O. How do you get everyone rally around and trust you? You jump out of a plan trying to save someone else. Now, he had a parachute. Let’s say he failed to save Simmons, he would’ve been fine. Everything he’s done has solidified how people feel about him over the course of the season.

LOEB: And what was the next thing he had to do after he saved Simmons? He had someone on the plane who was jealous of him: Fitz. And what did they do? They went on a mission together and they had a really good time together. And a bromance was started. And that took care of that.

BELL: And then even when he was with Lorelei, and she was talking about the darkness inside of him and the other qualities, she saw something that a lot of other people hadn’t seen. So we feel like we laid things out pretty well. Because you don’t want to over tip your hand, but we think people are pretty smart, and you can look back and go, “oh yeah, it was all there the whole time if I had looked.” And what’s fun now that you’ve seen 17, watch it again, or watch 16 again, and every look Ward does seems to have a double meaning.

Interviewer: I love that. Give me an example of something that might be a little less “obvious” than the Romanov line that could be fun for viewers to realize.
LOEB: We’ll give you one that’s a lot of fun, and that’s in “Seeds,” episode 12. Towards the very end, there’s a lovely, heartwarming moment where Skye is standing in front of the fallen S.H.I.E.L.D. agents through the decades. Watch that scene, and keep an eye on Ward.

In that scene they reference Coulson is giving a monologue while Skye is looking at the memorial: "The world is full of evil, and lies, and pain, and death. And you can't hide from it, you can only face it." While he is saying it the camera pans over Ward.

**AduroT**

I would imagine its real. Bad guy showed no reaction or surprise to the betrayal, and killing three shield agents is a bit much for planting a double agent.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ahtman wrote:
In that scene they reference Coulson is giving a monologue while Skye is looking at the memorial: "The world is full of evil, and lies, and pain, and death. And you can't hide from it, you can only face it." While he is saying it the camera pans over Ward.

I went back and watched it as well (both scenes in front of that wall). I dunno... I just don't see it.

And I really think that "the power of love" is going to bring Ward back. I really want to be wrong - as wrong as I was about this episode actually, as I thought AoS would not only drop the ball, but then stab the ball over and over again before burning it and thankfully they didn't - but in this case I don't think I am.

**Ahtman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
In that scene they reference Coulson is giving a monologue while Skye is looking at the memorial: "The world is full of evil, and lies, and pain, and death. And you can't hide from it, you can only face it." While he is saying it the camera pans over Ward.

I went back and watched it as well (both scenes in front of that wall). I dunno... I just don't see it.

Not sure I do either, but that is what (I was told) happened in the episode they specifically reference. I have a few ideas, but it seems pretty thin tbh.

**Ahtman**

Source 1
Source 2

Viewership is still dropping, even with all the improvements and plot advancement.

**Asherian Command**

Dat ending was quite good not going to lie.

**H.B.M.C.**

Those two reports contradict one another. One says it rose for the second week in a row and isn't the series low, and the other says its a series low.