No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14

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**Yodhrin**

Kroothawk wrote:
silent25 wrote:
That doesn't sound good. It will likely mean the large size is more due to repeated languages and not additional content. So English, Spanish, and what is the third language?

Well, I heard one version is English, French and German. Not sure if there is another version with other languages. And text is so short that they fit under the photo. So don't expect 3 versions of a Jervis Johnson column in here. Also not sure if painting guides could be made compatible (photos with colour name and brush are international after all).

BTW the weekly mag will get the White Dwarf name.

This plan has the potential to reap a monthly profit of 9 + 4x3.20 = 21.80€ instead of 8 € with the same team and the same (non-) content. At least that is what the managers seem to have in mind.

Aye, yet another opportunity to regain some semblance of sanity and maybe even win back a few customers wasted on Kirby's Smaug-like lust for gold. I mean really, if they had actually tried to make the new monthly rag a proper hobby magazine again, with rules, editorials, conversion and painting guides, fiction, and showcases of customer and staff armies, they'd have been on to a winner, but this? They're essentially divvying up the same vacant non-content that was in the existing White Dwarf into smaller chunks and then charging more money for each chunk. And now one of the chunks doesn't even have acres of occasionally-interesting photos to cloak the fact that they essentially expect you to buy their catalogues from them.

Madness.

**Heavy Metal**

Looking on the birght side there will be more shelf space for No Quarter magazine at least. Heh.

**reds8n**

Hat tip to Mr Thorgir who spotted the following

This is from the Helsinki GW facebook page:

Stop press, we have a new format of White Dwarf incoming!

Starting February 1st. White Dwarf will appear weekly. Within it's 32 pages you'll find everything you need to know about all the week’s other new releases and latest hobby news.

You’ll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more. All of this will be available, for the price of a paint pot!

Alongside the the new White Dwarf, we'll have a brand new magazine; Warhammer: Visions. Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf – from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter. This 232 page tome will be available on the first Saturday of every month, for only 9€!

For those of you with subcriptions to the old White Dwarf, fear not, you will still be able to use them monthly. We'll have more information on the subscriptions for you on Thursday, so check back with us to find out how the new system will work.

**AlexHolker**

Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf

Lies.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

I'll have a minute's silence to remember a once great magazine, and all the good memories it gave me, but will I miss 10 pages of directory telling me the phone number of the hobby shop on the Falkland Islands? Will I miss Jervis' monthly columns?

Will I... <-------------------- insert your own 4 letter swear word here!

**Allod**

Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf

Does this mean that the new weekly White Dwarf contains all our least favorite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf? Sounds like a great deal then!

**NAVARRO**

I reserve my judgement when I actually see the mags.

If done correctly it can be very good, strip off the new releases spam and fill 200 pages of hobby material?

Sounds good stuff but lets see.

**filbert**

I still have my sub and providing they don't change the price, conditions or terms of my sub then I will stick on with it and see what the new format is like.

Not holding out much hope though.

**Kroothawk**

NAVARRO wrote:
If done correctly it can be very good, strip off the new releases spam and fill 200 pages of hobby material?

Remember, practically no text, so don't expect 200 pages with experimental rules, background info, designer notes, painting workshops or the like. It's pretty pictures mostly.

**NoggintheNog**

The web site STILL has subs for white dwarf 'starting with the next issue' for sale.

They really have become incredibly unprofessional as a business.

**Compel**

See, the Gw Helsinki one, I'd probably be fine with, assuming it lived up to the advert, which it won't. Monthly picture book of other peoples toys... Nope

**Kroothawk**

NoggintheNog wrote:
The web site STILL has subs for white dwarf 'starting with the next issue' for sale.
They really have become incredibly unprofessional as a business.

Well, no GW website manager wants to be fired for treason like his 15 predecessors last year

**H.B.M.C.**

So, the 50 page new release section will be split and expanded into 4-5 36-ish page sections per month, each sold individually. Sounds great. And by great I mean not at all great.

Kroothawk wrote:
Remember, practically no text, so don't expect 200 pages with experimental rules, background info, designer notes, painting workshops or the like. It's pretty pictures mostly.

Don't forget the endlessly useful tiny bits of text that tell you what's in the picture. Can't do without those.

**JWhex**

GW is still aiming its marketing at the 12-14 year old audience. I expect any magazine they make to be heavily weighted toward this age group.

I dont really think the magazine will improve until GW changes uts attitude toward its customer base to be more inclusive.

**H.B.M.C.**

Stops treating us like a necessary evil, you mean?

**JWhex**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stops treating us like a necessary evil, you mean?

I doubt we are considered neccassarry to their business model at present.

**NAVARRO**

Kroothawk wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
If done correctly it can be very good, strip off the new releases spam and fill 200 pages of hobby material?

Remember, practically no text, so don't expect 200 pages with experimental rules, background info, designer notes, painting workshops or the like. It's pretty pictures mostly.

True, thats why I don't spend money on it. The last revamp did not bring anything interesting that could have changed my mind towards it.

Is it true that warhammer visions will be only wfb and 40k? If so taking 1/3 of lotr out of those 200 pages will make space for more stuff.

I would not mind actually good coverages of golden deamons with entries from all angles etc they have a chance to make this mag something worth its money.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

I've just got this dread fear that the new magazine will STILL include the phone number and address of the only hobby shop on the Falkland Islands! Nothing against the Falklands!

**fishy bob**

White Dwarf Weekly doesn't interest me one bit, but I'm definitely picking up the first issue of Warhammer Visions.

**Samurai_Eduh**

Alas poor what dwarf, I knew him well. I'll reserve judgement until I see the new mag, but I'm not expecting anything spectacular. All the conversion articles will just be combining GW parts, I don't foresee any articles for scratch built anything at all. Same for terrain. If you can't make it out of a GW product, forget it.

**oni**

I predict two things:

1. Everyone will lose their gak (again) over not having access to rules once the weekly pamphlet goes out of print. Doing this has never been a good idea and it will never be a good idea as it creates fragmentation in available rules to the player base, this is also why Dataslates are terrible idea.

2. Every time sales slump, GW will create buzz about "revamping" the magazine to drum up some short term sales from all us hopeful buyers that think "this time they may get it right, this time they may return to the glory days".

**dsteingass**

hubcap wrote:

And producing a physical magazine in and Internet world is a tough business that is getting tougher.

I disagree! Other hobby magazines like FineScale Modeler and Model Railroader have it figured out! Buy the print sub, get the digital free, or for a bit cheaper, get the digital-only. It doesn't cost anything more to make a digital copy, as the source files are digital for the print mag anyways. In fact, Model Railroader is now using their digital platform to give MORE content in terms of extra videos and such. This scheme seems only like a way to milk more money for less content, IMHO.

**Yodhrin**

JWhex wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stops treating us like a necessary evil, you mean?

I doubt we are considered neccassarry to their business model at present.

I think he meant that more along the lines of GW considering human beings to be nothing more than an inconvenient Cash Register/Wallet interface technology.

**dsteingass**

While these arguments are successful at getting our blood boiling, this will not change until we quit buying their products. I know, it's easier said than done, but it's the only power we have as a consumer.

**The Division Of Joy**

Have either been confirmed as print only?

**Wayniac**

So wait, they're going to split off the catalog part into a weekly/bi-weekly publication, but then instead of having a larger magazine filled with articles of the old style (think Stillmania, Tale of Four Gamers, Chambers of the Horned Rat), it's looking like it'll be more "Look at the pretty Studio army! Learn how you can buy something like this today!" stuff, PLUS getting a price hike?

Having not looked at the financials, are they in dire straits or something? This plus the constant price hikes over the past few years stink of desperation (or just good old greed) to turn a profit. They should be priced like how Warlord Games (isn't that run by ex-GW guys?) are, where you can get an actual playable army for like $120 or so, and then build from there with the special/cool big troops that are more pricey.

**Kroothawk**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'll have a minute's silence to remember a once great magazine, and all the good memories it gave me, but will I miss 10 pages of directory telling me the phone number of the hobby shop on the Falkland Islands?

11 pages

NAVARRO wrote:Is it true that warhammer visions will be only wfb and 40k? If so taking 1/3 of lotr out of those 200 pages will make space for more stuff.

We don't know ATM if Hobbit stuff is included.

oni wrote:1. Everyone will lose their gak (again) over not having access to rules once the weekly pamphlet goes out of print. Doing this has never been a good idea and it will never be a good idea as it creates fragmentation in available rules to the player base, this is also why Dataslates are terrible idea.

The weekly WD will not be available after a month. Not sure about Warhammer Vision, but I guess neither.

dsteingass wrote:I disagree! Other hobby magazines like FineScale Modeler and Model Railroader have it figured out!

"Figured it out" is a bit strong: Model Railroader is a sorry shade of its former glory, only half or a third of its maximum size in better times, for about the same price. They survived, but they are not prospering for sure.

The Division Of Joy wrote:Have either been confirmed as print only?

Now for a minute imagine this thread, if GW confirmed to bring back fat bloke as editor in chief, allowed to recruit his own team.
With a background column by Gav Thorpe, a competitive play column by Alessio Calvatore, a terrain column by the guy building the studio terrain etc. You know, people providing real content for gamers, not the current blown up junk. Just imagine ...
Alas, decision at GW are currently made by people not familiar with the hobby at all, keeping the few pros in the studio from doing it right.

**Zathras**

Meh, I don't buy the current WD and won't buy the new version either.

**Compel**

I imagine Fat Bloke is a bit busy running Warlord Games :p

**shingouki**

filbert wrote:
I still have my sub and providing they don't change the price, conditions or terms of my sub then I will stick on with it and see what the new format is like.

Not holding out much hope though.

This............