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240 pages with no realeses!! Yay!

 dakkajet wrote:
240 pages with no realeses!! Yay!

You've misunderstood.

Its 240 pages of essentially only releases, with a bit of editorial content thrown in.

The "hobby" stuff, such as it is, will be in the weekly release.

Which is exactly the wrong way around for me.

 azreal13 wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
240 pages with no realeses!! Yay!

You've misunderstood.

Its 240 pages of essentially only releases, with a bit of editorial content thrown in.

The "hobby" stuff, such as it is, will be in the weekly release.

Which is exactly the wrong way around for me.

I thought it was the other way around?

I said I'd try the monthly one, but apparently the weekly one is the one for me. To try out one issue at least.

On re-reading some stuff, it appears it is both!

Well, if I take the hypothetical position that it's going to be a worthwhile read, then I guess one will either spend a small fortune on magazines each month, or just pick and choose issues based on their personal relevance.

I still suspect it will be the status quo for me (not buying any issues at all)

 reds8n wrote:
Hat tip to Mr Thorgir who spotted the following

This is from the Helsinki GW facebook page:

Stop press, we have a new format of White Dwarf incoming!

Starting February 1st. White Dwarf will appear weekly. Within it's 32 pages you'll find everything you need to know about all the week’s other new releases and latest hobby news.

You’ll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more. All of this will be available, for the price of a paint pot!

Alongside the the new White Dwarf, we'll have a brand new magazine; Warhammer: Visions. Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf – from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter. This 232 page tome will be available on the first Saturday of every month, for only 9€!

For those of you with subcriptions to the old White Dwarf, fear not, you will still be able to use them monthly. We'll have more information on the subscriptions for you on Thursday, so check back with us to find out how the new system will work.

32 pages... ?? a paint pot?
So 128 at 12€ vs the 150 at 8€ ?? Didn't imagine it could get worse....

But wait. They said rules. New rules. In 32 pages. A unit per month? A supplement?

Or get the "tome" of 232 pages. Sounds like a very very long column of J.J.

GW is essentially adopting a Micro Transaction model.

Splitting White Dwarf into two seperate magazines...

Digital micro transactions - Units, painting guides, fluff. Stuff that used to be included with rulebooks, or published in the monthly White Dwarf.

GW truly is the Wargaming equivalent to EA.

Just curious, but has anyone ever complained in writing to GW about the state of white dwarf? if so, what response did they get?

I would be interested to see how they justified the drop in quality

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1740018a

Well they are still selling standard White Dwarf subscriptions as of 2 min ago

Got a big of info, which might be somewhere in here.

Apparently its a 32page weekly white dwarf and once a month is a hobby focused one called warhammer visions.

Also GW will be releasing something every, single, week. Either in the form of dataslates, formations, missions or whatever. 40K is about to get very bloated, very unbalanced, very fast.

 dsteingass wrote:

 hubcap wrote:


And producing a physical magazine in and Internet world is a tough business that is getting tougher.

I disagree! Other hobby magazines like FineScale Modeler and Model Railroader have it figured out! Buy the print sub, get the digital free, or for a bit cheaper, get the digital-only. It doesn't cost anything more to make a digital copy, as the source files are digital for the print mag anyways. In fact, Model Railroader is now using their digital platform to give MORE content in terms of extra videos and such. This scheme seems only like a way to milk more money for less content, IMHO.

I'm not familiar with those but even they are suffering from falling sales:

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6302

But at any rate I agree with you about how to make money if you are a magazine. Try new stuff, offer extras, give people a reason to visit your website multiple time a week just in case something pops up.

Thing is, WD isn't really a magazine like FSM and MR. Normal magazines make their money from advertising from third parties, and encourage subscriptions because the bigger the circulation base, the higher the ad rates. Whatever they may lose on the subscription price, they make up for in ad rates. WD, of course, accepts no outside advertising. It's not a profit center for GW*, it's a marketing/promotional expense. It's pretty clear to me that GW is judging it by those standards, and not "is it a good magazine." And from that point of view there is very little incentive to spend any money on content. Why bother? To them it's basically Lucky magazine for toy soldier fans. And if that's all they want...I'm sure there are better ways for them to spend their promotional budget.

Mind you I think it is a short-sighted decision. But then I think that about a lot of GW's decisions the past two years. WHFB 8th is a tedious slog of a game. And 40k is such an insane jumble of conflicting and semi-released rules it is now essentially unplayable on a pickup basis. There's no point in looking for the man behind the curtain at GW...nobody's there.

1. Everyone will lose their gak (again) over not having access to rules once the weekly pamphlet goes out of print. Doing this has never been a good idea and it will never be a good idea as it creates fragmentation in available rules to the player base, this is also why Dataslates are terrible idea.

Well, I wouldn't worry about that. I can pretty much guarantee that no rules of any note - meaning units, army lists, characters, wargear - will be released in the magazine. It'll be scenarios and such. The dataslates have shown GW how to turn a promotional expense (content for WD) into a revenue source (people will pay for a page of alternative force org, a special character and four pieces of wargear!). The current GW management will never shift that stuff back to WD.

*People complain about the $12 price for a shiny full-color 100+ page WD. Well, the black-and-white, thin paper New Yorker's cover price is $7 an issue! Magazine production is expensive!

mickthesplit wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1740018a

Well they are still selling standard White Dwarf subscriptions as of 2 min ago

And they sell codexes about to become obsolete until the moment before the new one's release.

 reds8n wrote:
Hat tip to Mr Thorgir who spotted the following

This is from the Helsinki GW facebook page:

Stop press, we have a new format of White Dwarf incoming!

Starting February 1st. White Dwarf will appear weekly. Within it's 32 pages you'll find everything you need to know about all the week’s other new releases and latest hobby news.

You’ll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more. All of this will be available, for the price of a paint pot!

Alongside the the new White Dwarf, we'll have a brand new magazine; Warhammer: Visions. Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf – from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter. This 232 page tome will be available on the first Saturday of every month, for only 9€!

For those of you with subcriptions to the old White Dwarf, fear not, you will still be able to use them monthly. We'll have more information on the subscriptions for you on Thursday, so check back with us to find out how the new system will work.

Nice find, thanks thorgir and red!

How you can split a magazine in half that already has no content is beyond me. You could do something really creative with White Dwarf but that requires investment they aren't willing to put in. It's simply there to directly push product instead of make people enthusiastic about modelling/gaming. It's funny seeing people like xruslanx wearing his ignorance on his sleeve and claiming it was always poor because he read it for a year in 2000 so obviously it's always been that way. I, like many, have White Dwarfs going back to the 80s, there's no 'hindsight playing wonders' needed, you can get one of these old magazines out and see that it's packed full of text, it's got scenarios and new/alternate rules, things to cut out and plans to make stuff. I keep those old magazines because they've got things like templates for scratch building and whole scenarios for roleplaying with all the maps and character stats, or Space Hulk rules and Missions with maps and counters/floor tiles to copy and cut out. The current magazine has twice as many pages and is all white space, there's bugger all to actually read.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
How you can split a magazine in half that already has no content is beyond me. You could do something really creative with White Dwarf but that requires investment they aren't willing to put in. It's simply there to directly push product instead of make people enthusiastic about modelling/gaming. It's funny seeing people like xruslanx wearing his ignorance on his sleeve and claiming it was always poor because he read it for a year in 2000 so obviously it's always been that way. I, like many, have White Dwarfs going back to the 80s, there's no 'hindsight playing wonders' needed, you can get one of these old magazines out and see that it's packed full of text, it's got scenarios and new/alternate rules, things to cut out and plans to make stuff. I keep those old magazines because they've got things like templates for scratch building and whole scenarios for roleplaying with all the maps and character stats, or Space Hulk rules and Missions with maps and counters/floor tiles to copy and cut out. The current magazine has twice as many pages and is all white space, there's bugger all to actually read.

I'm of exactly the same opinion - I have WD (Australian edition no's) 109 to 400, and from about 2010 onwards, I was only still subscribing in the (vain) hope that things would approve.

theAnt wrote:
Just curious, but has anyone ever complained in writing to GW about the state of white dwarf? if so, what response did they get?

I would be interested to see how they justified the drop in quality

Me and Dakkajet have complained about the lack of hobbit several times.Pass on to the white dwarf team?Yeah right!

Da krimson barun wrote:

theAnt wrote:
Just curious, but has anyone ever complained in writing to GW about the state of white dwarf? if so, what response did they get?

I would be interested to see how they justified the drop in quality

Me and Dakkajet have complained about the lack of hobbit several times.Pass on to the white dwarf team?Yeah right!

The email I sent was forwarded to White Dwarf (by email) weather it was or not I'm not sure.

I wonder if any of the weekly stuff will be repeated in the monthly one?

And as for moaning about the extra cost people have voted with their wallets by still paying their outrageous prices. Someone mentioned that its targeted towards teenagers and GW need to realise what their real buying fan base is, well that's easy, the majority must be people in full time employment who still live with their parents to afford all the new stuff...

Most of the rumours from the past few months have come from leaked WD pics. Am curious to see if the rumoured new mag uses a different printer/distributor, in attempt to stem the leak.

A weekly magazine? My god. GW struggled to fill its page quota for a monthly issue, filling it with things like phonenumbers. I can't imagine how bad the content will be in a weekly "magazine".

Anyway, it seems this is mostly a scam to get people to pay twice as much for what they got before by splitting the magazine in half. I'm sure the price will stay the same.

 Harriticus wrote:
Anyway, it seems this is mostly a scam to get people to pay twice as much for what they got before by splitting the magazine in half. I'm sure the price will stay the same.

Not quite. They're getting people to pay three times as much, and the price of the monthly magazine is increasing.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Anyway, it seems this is mostly a scam to get people to pay twice as much for what they got before by splitting the magazine in half. I'm sure the price will stay the same.

Not quite. They're getting people to pay three times as much, and the price of the monthly magazine is increasing.

I think this is amazing, and wish to thank GW wholeheartedly - no, really I do.

With splitting WD in two, I'm saving money on not buying the weekly one, and by ramping up the cost of the monthly mag, I'm, saving more by not buying that either.

Thanks GW

 Ravenous D wrote:

Also GW will be releasing something every, single, week. Either in the form of dataslates, formations, missions or whatever. 40K is about to get very bloated, very unbalanced, very fast.

And why not? How much does it cost GW to pay a writer for one hour to literally type a single page of rules, and then pay a graphic designer to create an Epub/PDF of these rules and upload them to their site? A couple hundred bucks at the max? And then charge even as low as 5.99 for it (but this is GW we're talking about; try 10 bucks minimum)?

Even if only half a thousand people buy it, you're looking at a MASSIVE profit for GW on the product.

Business genius. Getting into the digital/micro-transaction market is the smartest thing GW has ever done.

Lulz.

Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

How do you mean problems? I would suggest you would be lucky to shift more recent issues, say in the last 10 years or so but earlier issues still sell well. I am always buying issues from Ebay for old Epic rules and what-not that were featured.

As a direct debit subscriber in the uk I have yet to hear anything official on this yet. There has been nothing on the GW website and I have received no letter in the post. Everyone seems to be treating this as 100% going to happen but where is the proof? All I have seen or heard about is rumours. Could someone fill me in please?

The "rumour" started the day when retailers were officially informed by GW. So it is coming.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

I tried giving them away for free here and I only got messages for the sisters dex one. Burn them all laddy.

I've got around 50 WD issues, tried selling them for 40p each, no luck.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

Having been looking over the past few days there seems to be a market for the older ones. Though the issue is going to be the time to list them individually, or the shipping to send them in anything other than ones or twos. Unless you sell them as a job lot for collection only, but that limits the money and interest you'll get.

Does anyone know how the Golden Tickets are going to work now?