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On the positive side, Warhammer Visions is now 100% piracy safe: Who would bother to scan those 230 pages and who would bother to download them?

But what if I just have to know who won the 4-page textless battle report?

Anyone else stuck sitting on hold waiting to get through to cancel their subscription?

Mine hasn't turned up so i cant see if it's even worth 3 quid a month....

 Compel wrote:
Anyone else stuck sitting on hold waiting to get through to cancel their subscription?

Wouldn't you be better off emailing them rather than phone?

Intersting that the "full Rules" for the Dwarf charatcer are not:

No mention of his equipment including non magical armour..............

I just noticed that in the digital weekly version, the entire white dwarf staffs emails are included, so maybe we can write them directly to leave feedback.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:I just noticed that in the digital weekly version, the entire white dwarf staffs emails are included, so maybe we can write them directly to leave feedback.

filbert wrote:

Incidentally, in the letter that subscribers got sent with their magazines this month, Jes invites people to comment by emailing him so I suggest if anyone feels strongly then they should send a polite email to him expressing their displeasure.

jes@whitedwarf.co.uk

Not that it will do much good but I may well send an email voicing my disappointment at the format change. If GW really are serious about changing WD for the better (and that isn't clear at this point) then they will appreciate and use the deluge of customer feedback that they are likely to get from this change, whether it's email feedback or the volume of cancelled subscriptions.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Intersting that the "full Rules" for the Dwarf charatcer are not:

No mention of his equipment including non magical armour..............

Vlad Von Carstein went through an entire edition without armour, despite the fact that his model was dressed from head to foot in full plate.

Anyone notice the sneak peek of dwarf army rules? +1 strength on the charge, no leadership test for marching and a grudge table that gives varying levels of hatred.

Well having read the new ones, here is my opinion. WDW is very good. Short, sweet and also has some useful bits in. It also has some humour in, if read carefully. Visions however was a bit, well, poor. Pics only, not much text, the foreign languages, while a good idea, are a bit jarring. The paint splatter for all the nid paint schemes was excellent, inspiring for nid players. Could do better, but I can see the idea behind it, showing last months stuff in better detail. And for everyone to know, the battle rep was a bit crap, needs more detail, like points, and how on earth that forgefiend killed 2 flyers! Chaos won btw.

 Flashman wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Intersting that the "full Rules" for the Dwarf charatcer are not:

No mention of his equipment including non magical armour..............

Vlad Von Carstein went through an entire edition without armour, despite the fact that his model was dressed from head to foot in full plate.

not sure this is the case here - the article states:

"The Shield of Defiance in conjunction with his gromril amour...."

and later:

thanks to his gromril battle armour and the Shield of Defiance

except of course they did not tell you what either the armour does :(

 jah-joshua wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

Saxon wrote:
Is it just me... But I can't find White Dwarf weekly on iBooks?

Think its only on the Black Library site.

found it on the BL site...
hopefully they put it in the iBook store...
i buy all my digital stuff with iTunes cards...
no joy for WD Weekly with iTunes money yet:(...

cheers
jah

WDW is now available via iBooks. From the sample, which I downloaded, it appears to be a straight copy of the ePub file. The sample has NONE of the fancy apple iBook formatting that the previous WD or interactive Codices have. Since the subscription feature is gone and the content appears identical to the ePub, I can't see any reason to buy the iBook version, if you are an Apple fanboy. While the content might be good, I'm disappointed by the execution.

On another note, WD:V #1 was the last issue of my digital WD subscription. After about a 20 min flip through the pretty pictures, the 20 pages of minimal content (paint platter, kit bash and Blanshitsu) I opted not to renew my subscription. Was anyone else bothered by the reduced written word content in order to fit two other languages in the same document?

I think GW has achieved thier mission. After a year of digital subscription I'm going back to stopping in the game store on Friday/Saturday to see if WDW is worth buying after I flip through it.

 punchdub wrote:
to see if WDW is worth buying after I flip through it.

If it only has 30 pages I think GW staff letting customers flip through it would be counterproductive to their sales.

WDW still has hilarious gak in it like a list of phone numbers. GW wants its customers to stay off that new fangled internet damnit!

 Sir Arun wrote:

 punchdub wrote:
to see if WDW is worth buying after I flip through it.

If it only has 30 pages I think GW staff letting customers flip through it would be counterproductive to their sales.

I can guarantee that NOT letting me flip through it will reduce sales by at least 1 per week.

Re the multiple languages in Visions, there are apparently multiple editions - here in NZ, my (presumably Asia-Pacific) edition has English, Japanese and Chinese. Anyone found any other international editions? E.g. English/Spanish/something else for the Americas?

Visions is roughly what I was expecting, and useful to me as a converter/painter. But certainly I'd like far more models I haven't seen before, as opposed to what look like leftovers from when they did the photography session for the Nid codex. And yes, the shrunken page size makes no sense, and the rotated images are just annoying.

As far as the Weekly goes, I'll have to annoy my FLGS by flicking through each issue before knowing whether I want that particular one - issue 1 was of little interest to me personally.

found White Dwarf Weekly on iBooks...
thanks punchdub...

it is the epub version, and looks horrible on the iPad...
some pages are just one sentence, pics don't enlarge, articles end, and new ones begin, on the same page, with no break or indication...
it just looks like a jumbled mess...
very poor layout:(...

they had just really brought the digital White Dwarf up to speed with all the iBooks doo-dads in the last few issues, now they have taken some huge steps backward...
i hate to say it, but i'm out...
sorry GW, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out...

cheers
jah

 Clang wrote:
Visions is roughly what I was expecting, and useful to me as a converter/painter. But certainly I'd like far more models I haven't seen before, as opposed to what look like leftovers from when they did the photography session for the Nid codex. And yes, the shrunken page size makes no sense, and the rotated images are just annoying.

It seems to that Visions could have been good (or will be good?) if they had a curator for the content instead of more or less just using randomly cropped box cover photo variants to fill the magazine.

There are so many blogs from painters, army collectors, or other projects that they could easily fill the whole magazine twice each month with great content. How nice would it be to get some of the work from blogs that are not in your native language with some translated description or interviews.

Even if most of the magazine were images the content would be somewhat new and otherwise not that accessible (and also relatively cheap to produce).

And it would actually be Warhammer Visions form people around the world collected by GW for your convenience.

Visions was awful. Full or pictures of nids at the front... and then more pictures of nids at the back. Didn't think the battle reports could get any worse... but they managed it. I don't actually think there was a battle as the pictures show the units virtually next to each other. Kitbash told me nothing other than kitbashing is putting different kits together. Painting guide was useless. I want my £7.50 back

Hopefully next month will be better for Visions with new content, literally most of this content was just reused from last months White Dwarf =/ was a HUGE let down.

So, I thought for S&G's I'd pick up Warhammer: Visions to see what it was like. Pics are nice, but certainly nothing I'd want to get on a regular basis. A quick Google or looking through Dakka's Gallery would turn up images just as good and wouldn't feel like an overpriced catalog (don't most companies give their catalog for free?). It's an "#01", so maybe it'll be worth the sticker price in oh, about 30 years?

It's pretty apparent they just split the magazine in two parts and are charging 4x the cost of the previous rag. The weekly might survive due to the previews, but I think Visions is doomed - if it lasts a year with the same format, I'd be shocked.

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Well having read the new ones, here is my opinion. WDW is very good. Short, sweet and also has some useful bits in. It also has some humour in, if read carefully. Visions however was a bit, well, poor. Pics only, not much text, the foreign languages, while a good idea, are a bit jarring. The paint splatter for all the nid paint schemes was excellent, inspiring for nid players. Could do better, but I can see the idea behind it, showing last months stuff in better detail. And for everyone to know, the battle rep was a bit crap, needs more detail, like points, and how on earth that forgefiend killed 2 flyers! Chaos won btw.

Yeah, I was wondering how the forgefiend pulled that off too. Also was wondering what the hell a squad of terminators were doing in the Stormraven (to get shot down with the Stormraven) instead of deep striking in separately.

Noctem wrote:
Hopefully next month will be better for Visions with new content, literally most of this content was just reused from last months White Dwarf =/ was a HUGE let down.

Next month's Visions will undoubtedly steal its "new" content from this month's White Dwarf Weekly.

The best part about White Dwarf Weekly is that it smells like Magic™ cards.

 Stormonu wrote:
The weekly might survive due to the previews, but I think Visions is doomed - if it lasts a year with the same format, I'd be shocked.

I also can't see Warhammer Visions survive for a whole year. But at the same time, I don't think GW expects that. It is too obviously a no-effort placeholder trying to give the subscribers something. GW expects the weekly WD to survive though.

Yeah, that's my sense. Visions was designed to "fail." - Or at least, last just long enough for a subscription to be run out.

 reiner wrote:
The best part about White Dwarf Weekly is that it smells like Magic™ cards.

Actually, I think you'll find that's the new Citadel Finesmell™ Anyone caught making any comparisons to the smell of other new products will be litigated into Oblivion.

I haven't seen anyone comment on it but why do they need to print in three languages? Surely they have the capacity to produce one batch per language in English, French and German, instead of throwing them all together? Yes, I know this would be assuming that GW has some degree of common sense but this is just...weird. I can't remember every buying a magazine from a company as big as GW who can't even print in languages relevant to the area.

 Valkyrie wrote:
I haven't seen anyone comment on it but why do they need to print in three languages?...

Because they are trying to be a "classy" magazine. Some people think that having more than one language in a magazine looks exotic and arty. Magazines like this are meant to be coffee table books that are very pretentious. This is not meant for the average person, it's meant for (and bite your tongues because this is going to sound nasty), it is meant for people who can afford iPads and Apple macs, it's for people who drive a Volkswagon or Saab. In British terms it comes over as a very middle class magazine where they don't mind the french because they already speak French or German or Italian when they go on their skiing holidays. It's a pretentious magazine dreamt up by a very pretentious person for very pretentious people. GW have expanded into the iPad market and found that there are many of their fans with iPads and then they have extrapolated that area of the market and come up with this flippin' terrible magazine.

The other area this market is for is model makers who are already familiar with Japanese publications that have very little text and lots of pictures of robots. In my experience this has been another area where people with more money than sense try to create an atmosphere of exclusivity where they imply they understand what it is all about and anyone who doesn't get it is a pleb. The odd thing about this strategy to me is that this style of magazine is nothing new. I saw them in comic book shops in the 90s and they came across as what they were - catalogues of products. GW have just taken out the element of telling you how much the models are because quite frankly, if you need to ask you can't afford their hobby.


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 jah-joshua wrote:
found White Dwarf Weekly on iBooks... ...some pages are just one sentence, pics don't enlarge, articles end, and new ones begin, on the same page, with no break or indication...
it just looks like a jumbled mess... ...very poor layout:(...

It looks much better in the print edition and I think that this was very rushed because they didn't think there would be a digital demand for the weekly magazine. Also if you are trying to read it on the iPad turn it sideways and you get two facing pages which make a little more sense but not a lot. Also because it is epub format you should be able to change the text size. I think it was done this way to be readable on as many devices as possible.

i hear you, Bloodwin, but the thing i don't like is how small the pictures are in the digital Weekly, and they get even smaller when you swith to sideways viewing...

oh well...
time to put this lame horse down...

cheers
jah