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Thought occurred to me, if you run Tyranids with Tyranids allied can you then take 3 Winged HT's, and 4 Heavy Supports? Would that work?

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Gatekeeper wrote:
Thought occurred to me, if you run Tyranids with Tyranids allied can you then take 3 Winged HT's, and 4 Heavy Supports? Would that work?


You can't ally with yourself unless you have a crazy supplement like the farsighted enclave.

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San Jose, CA

 ductvader wrote:
Gatekeeper wrote:
Thought occurred to me, if you run Tyranids with Tyranids allied can you then take 3 Winged HT's, and 4 Heavy Supports? Would that work?


You can't ally with yourself unless you have a crazy supplement like the farsighted enclave.

It's so unfair. Tau, Eldar and Marines can ally with themselves. Not only can we not take allies, but we can't even ally with ourselves!




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Welcome to Tyranids, the codex that can't.

 Ailaros wrote:
You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

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Anyone else realize that we can take a fortress of redemption with krakstorm missiles and a void shield for...200 + 1.5 Zoanthropes in pts?

As my personal redoubt was loaded at 265 for similar weapons...I was wondering what others thought of this.

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Terror from the Deep wrote:
 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tervigons can't be a warlord due to the fact that they're not characters.


Didn't know that, seems odd having a HQ that can't be a warlord!


It's probably an error but as it stands currently that's RAW.

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Why is it probably an error that it is now impossible to field a non-HQ character MC? To me it seems deliberate.

 Ailaros wrote:
You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" 
   
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 PrinceRaven wrote:
Why is it probably an error that it is now impossible to field a non-HQ character MC? To me it seems deliberate.


That doesn't, but it does seem odd that an HQ non-character MC can't be the warlord when only one HQ is required by the FoC.

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One Warlord is also required, this is not unique to our codex, Imperial Guard also have an HQ choice that can't be their Warlord.

Look on the bright side, if (for whatever reason) you want to field Old One Eye, you can still have 2 HQ choices and keep his Warlord trait.

 Ailaros wrote:
You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" 
   
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 PrinceRaven wrote:
One Warlord is also required, this is not unique to our codex, Imperial Guard also have an HQ choice that can't be their Warlord.

Look on the bright side, if (for whatever reason) you want to field Old One Eye, you can still have 2 HQ choices and keep his Warlord trait.


how can you do that without a double FOC?
   
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Old One Eye + Tervigon.

 Ailaros wrote:
You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" 
   
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United Kingdom

So I have my first tournament with the new Tyranids coming this Saturday, it's 1650 points.And I manged to get my first test game in yesterday! Which was only my second game with the new codex!

The list I used was this..


Selections:



+ HQ + (510pts)

* Hive Tyrant (280pts)
Hive Commander, The Reaper of Obliterax, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings


* Hive Tyrant (230pts) 2x Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings


+ Elites + (95pts)

* Venomthrope

* Zoanthrope

+ Troops + (355pts)

* Tervigon (195pts)
Scything Talons, Stinger Salvo


* Termagant Brood (160pts)
10x Devourer, 20x Fleshborer, 30x Termagant


+ Fast Attack +

* Gargoyle Brood (120pts)
* 20x Gargoyle



+ Heavy Support + (570pts)

* Biovore Brood (120pts)
* 3x Biovore

* Carnifex Brood (450pts)
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms


The army I played was a Dark Angels force with allied Grey Knights and a Inquisitor Warlord.

A rough estimate of his list was

Dark Angels Librarian

Black Knights

2 Land Speeders

3 Ravenwing bikes

2 5 man Tactical squads in Razorbacks

5 man melta/combimelta droppod Sternguard unit.

6 man Devastator unit,4 missiles, Sgt and ablative wound.

Grey Knight Strike Squad
Grey Knight Inquisitor

Inquisitor


The mission was The Scouring and Deployment Hammer + Anvil, so things were stacked against me from the start.

I won't do a battle report because I can't remember to much of it.

But things I did learn, Tyrants die quick if you are too aggressive with them! I fed my opponent First Blood and Slay the Warlord first turn, it was an uphill battle after that.

My list has to much of a split in it, between stuff that wants to move up, and stuff that doesn't so I ended up getting disjointed and being picked apart.

I'm thinking about a few changes in my list, but I'm a bit limited about time and models I have painted. I'm considering dropping the Tervigon all together, and maybe putting a small Warrior Squad or 2 in there. Also I'm considering dropping a Carnifex to fit a Mawloc in the list.

What do you guys think, where would you make the changes?

Edit. The possible changes I'm thinking about are, drop the Tervigon, drop the Gargoyles, drop a Carnifex, change the Reaper of Obliterax to a Lash Whip and Bonesword. Add in a Hive Crone (this would be a massive ask to get it built and painted in time!), and 2 units of 3 Warriors with stock load outs and add a Mawloc ( I have to Trygons built and painted so if I can't get my Mawloc painted in time I can just use those.) This will leave me with 15 points to spare.

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What about just changing the Reaper to another TL dev with brainleech? For heavy support, I'd try out a Mawloc or two! I would make the Carnifexes have all TL devs and no scytals, if you can make the points for them.

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United Kingdom

Noctem wrote:
What about just changing the Reaper to another TL dev with brainleech? For heavy support, I'd try out a Mawloc or two! I would make the Carnifexes have all TL devs and no scytals, if you can make the points for them.


That's more a WYSIWYG thing than a tactical choice.

   
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Central Oregon

Played a tournament yesterday and got some good data.

My first matchup and only loss was against none other than Eric Hoerger, the nice gentleman who won 2nd at the LVO last weekend. He used the same list although I apologize that I cant remember what he added in to make it to 1850 pts, he had 2 storm talons
and something else.
I actually didnt realize who he was until after the game when he told me, but I'm glad I got to play against a top tier list and player.



I went first and rushed my crones/harpy/flyrants. I inflicted a few wounds but the real joy came 2nd turn when everything came in and outflanked perfectly.



Unfortunately, my guys were just not able to capitalize on that turn, and despite killing some units the bikes were able to break out and go down the center to engage the Tervigon. My flyrants moved down to follow and I lost 26 gaunts to the thunderfire
cannon. My crones flew off the board which was a great move on my part, however when they came back on they whiffed on bringing down his newly arrived storm talons, despite rolling explosion results for haywire. A two flyrant combat ensued that killed
many bikers, but again they were able to hit and run out of there. Tervigon died in that combat. The game ended with 8-5 in kill points and he controlled more objectives.

I really like how well my Tyranids performed and I learned a lot about bikers/white scars. I blame myself and inexperience, I think they could have done better.

Game two was against a mechdar list:

4 Wave Serpents w/scatter lasers (5 DA in each)
2 Fire Prisms
2xLarge warp spider groups (I think about 6-8 in each) with an aspect warrior attached I believe, it improved reserve rolls)
3xWar walkers outflanking w/Starcannons
Crimson hunter w/Exarch

We played Vanguard strike, with the relic in the center and objectives in each of the 4 corners. He went first.

Turn 1 I deployed my Mawloc on the table because I wanted her to dive and come up on turn 3 when there were actual targets on the board, however this proved to be a mistake because Warpspiders ate her alive. With extra wounds inflicted on my Tyrants, I was worried immediately. But my crones and harpy were off the board. My flyrant was in a position to be brought down and it was a situation where it took a good chunk of his army trying to bring him down to do it. He had disembarked 10 DA to help do this, but that was a mistake. Both crones came on turn 2, one vector striking and destroying a warwalker, glancing a Prism, then one melted 9 Dire Avengers with drool cannon. The other fired a single tentaclid at the crimson hunter, I rolled a 6, and he couldnt jink it, so one shotted the Crimson Hunter out of the sky.


^ thats the end of his turn 2.

His next turn went worse for him as one of his serpents became immobilized. My warlord tyrant (red winged one) lived and flew off the board, vector striking and killing the last warwalker shown there. My 30 gant blob outflanked on the Warrior's side, and they served to shoot down
the last lone Dire avenger and secure the corner objective. My warriors ran towards my edge the rest of the game to secure the bottom corner objective.



^ bottom right corner.

The Harpy did...not a lot, all day. She vector struck and killed off some Warp Spiders, her cannon never pinned any one. The rest of the game was shooting down Warp Spiders, and one crone flew off and came back on to melt another group of DIre Avengers in the Bottom Right corner
trying to hold an objective. My Tyrant died to mass shooting, but both crones kept going to work and I eventually killed his last group of DA's with bile. I was unable to secure the relic once all gaunts were dead, Tervigon couldnt grab it. But a solid win.

My final game was unfortunately against Tyranids, a matchup I never really have any fun with. I knew his list would fall to mine. He had one flyrant, swarmlord with guard, exocrine, two mawlocs, large gant blobs, a tervigon, one zoanthrope, venomthrope and 3 hive guard. Also
a small genestealer brood outflanking. This isnt mean egotistically, but my only regret is I didnt crush his army more. I stole the initiative, but I made a boneheaded move turn two and basically wasted a huge right push by moving my Flyrant warlord up to assault his flyrant...who
had swooped. AGH. So my grounded Flyrant got shot and vector striked off the board, easily the dumbest move of the day. But I just ignored his blobs and Swarmlord, handled the Flyrant and Mawlocs in my backfield and used my Biovores to keep the herds at bay. My outflanking
gaunts tied up his backfield, my warriors killed off the genestealers then instakilled the other mawloc. I even ignored the exocrine, and just focused on threat removal. I secured enough points in the Scouring and held my Emperors will for the win.


^ My turn 1

So for the day I learned a lot, and I understand how these tournaments work better and that every little point can help. The results are on TOF somewhere but I cant seem to access them, if anyone can help thatd be great. I finished in the middle, so much so that I won a 'middle of the road' award, a $25 gift certificate for the store, so I'm actually glad I landed where I did. My list for the day was

1850
Flyrant w/Reaper and HVC, HC
Flyrant w/LW/BS and STC, HC, toxin sacs
Venomthrope
Tervigon
30 gants/10 devourers (outflank)
6 Warriors w/rending claws, devourers, barbed strangler and LW/BS (outflank)
Mawloc
Biovore brood x2
Crone
Crone
Harpy

Things I would change? The venomthrope is leaving because in this list it just doesnt carry any weight. Everyone is gone on turn 1. I didnt want to spam Crones, but damnit if Harpy didnt do much of anything. I'll either have to add in a crone or swing in a Trygon or second Mawloc, something with backfield disruption. Also, I think I'd like some thorax weapons on Flyrants because the vectorstriking then flaming is a trait I'd like to have all my flyers rocking.

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Grand Rapids Metro

To be fair to your harpy, you did play some less than optimal opponents with it.

Mechdar and bikes care little for high ap blasts.

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Central Oregon

Which is true, but the utility of the Crone keeps me wanting more. If I'm using a Harpy and bombing a unit that can be affected by s4 ap4, then why not just vector strike with strength 8 close enough to flame them afterwards?

   
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 Iechine wrote:
Which is true, but the utility of the Crone keeps me wanting more. If I'm using a Harpy and bombing a unit that can be affected by s4 ap4, then why not just vector strike with strength 8 close enough to flame them afterwards?


Because being close is not a friendly tactic for these MCs...not until the whole army is ready to do it at once.

You want to know how to run Harpies and Crones...read up a little on Crimson Hunter Tactics...I've been finding that they play remarkably similar.

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My whole army is ready to do it at once, its the way it plays.

   
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I have noticed from several battle reports that flyrants are always played aggressively and usually end up giving both FB and StW. They are easy targets being all alone in the front.
   
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Naw wrote:
I have noticed from several battle reports that flyrants are always played aggressively and usually end up giving both FB and StW. They are easy targets being all alone in the front.


Your Warlord should never be a flyrant.

Your flyrant also has no reason to give up first blood, he can hide in the backfield or in reserves in order to kill before getting killed.



Simply put, too many players rush the enemy instead of sticking with their forces like they should. I found myself holding my flyrants back 2-3 turns in every game...so I just switched to the Swarmlord and decided to get 3 powers and a free USR out of it...as well as the lynchpin.

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Reedsburg, WI

 jy2 wrote:
 ductvader wrote:
Gatekeeper wrote:
Thought occurred to me, if you run Tyranids with Tyranids allied can you then take 3 Winged HT's, and 4 Heavy Supports? Would that work?


You can't ally with yourself unless you have a crazy supplement like the farsighted enclave.

It's so unfair. Tau, Eldar and Marines can ally with themselves. Not only can we not take allies, but we can't even ally with ourselves!




What is worst...tha base C:SM codex can ally with the base C:SM codex...and they didn't give nids that option

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San Jose, CA

 ductvader wrote:
Anyone else realize that we can take a fortress of redemption with krakstorm missiles and a void shield for...200 + 1.5 Zoanthropes in pts?

As my personal redoubt was loaded at 265 for similar weapons...I was wondering what others thought of this.

Big....

I can imagine running the Swarmlord with 9 hive guards and 9 biovores with the Fortress. That's a lot of LOS-blocking terrain there. And if you can embark them into the Fortress, even better.


Eldercaveman wrote:
So I have my first tournament with the new Tyranids coming this Saturday, it's 1650 points.And I manged to get my first test game in yesterday! Which was only my second game with the new codex!

The list I used was this..


Selections:



+ HQ + (510pts)

* Hive Tyrant (280pts)
Hive Commander, The Reaper of Obliterax, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings


* Hive Tyrant (230pts) 2x Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings


+ Elites + (95pts)

* Venomthrope

* Zoanthrope

+ Troops + (355pts)

* Tervigon (195pts)
Scything Talons, Stinger Salvo


* Termagant Brood (160pts)
10x Devourer, 20x Fleshborer, 30x Termagant


+ Fast Attack +

* Gargoyle Brood (120pts)
* 20x Gargoyle



+ Heavy Support + (570pts)

* Biovore Brood (120pts)
* 3x Biovore

* Carnifex Brood (450pts)
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms


The army I played was a Dark Angels force with allied Grey Knights and a Inquisitor Warlord.

A rough estimate of his list was

Dark Angels Librarian

Black Knights

2 Land Speeders

3 Ravenwing bikes

2 5 man Tactical squads in Razorbacks

5 man melta/combimelta droppod Sternguard unit.

6 man Devastator unit,4 missiles, Sgt and ablative wound.

Grey Knight Strike Squad
Grey Knight Inquisitor

Inquisitor


The mission was The Scouring and Deployment Hammer + Anvil, so things were stacked against me from the start.

I won't do a battle report because I can't remember to much of it.

But things I did learn, Tyrants die quick if you are too aggressive with them! I fed my opponent First Blood and Slay the Warlord first turn, it was an uphill battle after that.

My list has to much of a split in it, between stuff that wants to move up, and stuff that doesn't so I ended up getting disjointed and being picked apart.

I'm thinking about a few changes in my list, but I'm a bit limited about time and models I have painted. I'm considering dropping the Tervigon all together, and maybe putting a small Warrior Squad or 2 in there. Also I'm considering dropping a Carnifex to fit a Mawloc in the list.

What do you guys think, where would you make the changes?

Edit. The possible changes I'm thinking about are, drop the Tervigon, drop the Gargoyles, drop a Carnifex, change the Reaper of Obliterax to a Lash Whip and Bonesword. Add in a Hive Crone (this would be a massive ask to get it built and painted in time!), and 2 units of 3 Warriors with stock load outs and add a Mawloc ( I have to Trygons built and painted so if I can't get my Mawloc painted in time I can just use those.) This will leave me with 15 points to spare.

Your list is fine. I play with this type of list most of the time. The zoan and venom can be liabilities if there is no LOS-blocking terrain, but it really is up to personal preference whether you want to take fortifications or not.

Here are my recommendations:

1. Give 1 of your flyrants Hive Commander. It gives your army some more flexibility.

2. Tactics-wise, depending on the situation, in many cases it is wiser to hold your flyrants back a turn. Let the rest of your army get into position. Don't always be tempted with trying to get First Blood. Sometimes, you may even want to consider flying your flyrants off the table only to have them come back in next turn with the rest of the army. Though in Hammer-&-Anvil deployments, I don't normally do this.

3. I realize this may be a modeling issue, but the optimal build for dakkafexes are 2x TL-D's. Drop the Adrenals in order to give them the 2nd set of devourers. You want to keep your flyrants as cheap as possible anyways because they are a high priority target (Hive Commander is the only option I would consider other than their guns).

Good luck!



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 ductvader wrote:
Naw wrote:
I have noticed from several battle reports that flyrants are always played aggressively and usually end up giving both FB and StW. They are easy targets being all alone in the front.


Your Warlord should never be a flyrant.

Your flyrant also has no reason to give up first blood, he can hide in the backfield or in reserves in order to kill before getting killed.



Simply put, too many players rush the enemy instead of sticking with their forces like they should. I found myself holding my flyrants back 2-3 turns in every game...so I just switched to the Swarmlord and decided to get 3 powers and a free USR out of it...as well as the lynchpin.


Well if you only run Flyrants as HQ or Flyrants and a Tervigon, he kind of has to be.

I agree though, they should be held back, they have the speed to make a big hit move when the opportunityy shows itself. And this was a mistake I made in my last game. Never chase the knockout.

   
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San Jose, CA

 Iechine wrote:
Played a tournament yesterday and got some good data.

My first matchup and only loss was against none other than Eric Hoerger, the nice gentleman who won 2nd at the LVO last weekend. He used the same list although I apologize that I cant remember what he added in to make it to 1850 pts, he had 2 storm talons
and something else.
I actually didnt realize who he was until after the game when he told me, but I'm glad I got to play against a top tier list and player.



I played against Eric as well....at the LVO. We were both 4-0 going into the crucial Game #5, where he knocked me out of the Championships. He's a very good player. Damn those White Scars. Lol.

Congrats against Eldar!


 wyomingfox wrote:

What is worst...tha base C:SM codex can ally with the base C:SM codex...and they didn't give nids that option

Oh well. We've been dealt our hand. Now we just need to make the best of it.


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United Kingdom

 jy2 wrote:


Spoiler:
Eldercaveman wrote:
So I have my first tournament with the new Tyranids coming this Saturday, it's 1650 points.And I manged to get my first test game in yesterday! Which was only my second game with the new codex!

The list I used was this..


Selections:



+ HQ + (510pts)

* Hive Tyrant (280pts)
Hive Commander, The Reaper of Obliterax, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings


* Hive Tyrant (230pts) 2x Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings


+ Elites + (95pts)

* Venomthrope

* Zoanthrope

+ Troops + (355pts)

* Tervigon (195pts)
Scything Talons, Stinger Salvo


* Termagant Brood (160pts)
10x Devourer, 20x Fleshborer, 30x Termagant


+ Fast Attack +

* Gargoyle Brood (120pts)
* 20x Gargoyle



+ Heavy Support + (570pts)

* Biovore Brood (120pts)
* 3x Biovore

* Carnifex Brood (450pts)
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms
* Carnifex
Adrenal Glands, Scything Talons, Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms


The army I played was a Dark Angels force with allied Grey Knights and a Inquisitor Warlord.

A rough estimate of his list was

Dark Angels Librarian

Black Knights

2 Land Speeders

3 Ravenwing bikes

2 5 man Tactical squads in Razorbacks

5 man melta/combimelta droppod Sternguard unit.

6 man Devastator unit,4 missiles, Sgt and ablative wound.

Grey Knight Strike Squad
Grey Knight Inquisitor

Inquisitor


The mission was The Scouring and Deployment Hammer + Anvil, so things were stacked against me from the start.

I won't do a battle report because I can't remember to much of it.

But things I did learn, Tyrants die quick if you are too aggressive with them! I fed my opponent First Blood and Slay the Warlord first turn, it was an uphill battle after that.

My list has to much of a split in it, between stuff that wants to move up, and stuff that doesn't so I ended up getting disjointed and being picked apart.

I'm thinking about a few changes in my list, but I'm a bit limited about time and models I have painted. I'm considering dropping the Tervigon all together, and maybe putting a small Warrior Squad or 2 in there. Also I'm considering dropping a Carnifex to fit a Mawloc in the list.

What do you guys think, where would you make the changes?

Edit. The possible changes I'm thinking about are, drop the Tervigon, drop the Gargoyles, drop a Carnifex, change the Reaper of Obliterax to a Lash Whip and Bonesword. Add in a Hive Crone (this would be a massive ask to get it built and painted in time!), and 2 units of 3 Warriors with stock load outs and add a Mawloc ( I have to Trygons built and painted so if I can't get my Mawloc painted in time I can just use those.) This will leave me with 15 points to spare.

Your list is fine. I play with this type of list most of the time. The zoan and venom can be liabilities if there is no LOS-blocking terrain, but it really is up to personal preference whether you want to take fortifications or not.


Here are my recommendations:

1. Give 1 of your flyrants Hive Commander. It gives your army some more flexibility.

2. Tactics-wise, depending on the situation, in many cases it is wiser to hold your flyrants back a turn. Let the rest of your army get into position. Don't always be tempted with trying to get First Blood. Sometimes, you may even want to consider flying your flyrants off the table only to have them come back in next turn with the rest of the army. Though in Hammer-&-Anvil deployments, I don't normally do this.

3. I realize this may be a modeling issue, but the optimal build for dakkafexes are 2x TL-D's. Drop the Adrenals in order to give them the 2nd set of devourers. You want to keep your flyrants as cheap as possible anyways because they are a high priority target (Hive Commander is the only option I would consider other than their guns).

Good luck!



Thanks for the feedback Jim...

1. Give 1 of your flyrants Hive Commander. It gives your army some more flexibility.


My Warlord Flyrant had Hive Commander, I forgot to list this above, my bad! I used it to outflank the unit of 30 Termagants, who almost shot the strike squad off the 4 point objective in his deployment zone. Before being shot by a Razorback, Mortis pattern Dreadnaught, Black knights and the remaining strike squad, all of these units (except the vehicles) then assaulted the Gants, and wiped them out over 3 phases.

2. Tactics-wise, depending on the situation, in many cases it is wiser to hold your flyrants back a turn. Let the rest of your army get into position. Don't always be tempted with trying to get First Blood. Sometimes, you may even want to consider flying your flyrants off the table only to have them come back in next turn with the rest of the army. Though in Hammer-&-Anvil deployments, I don't normally do this.


Yeah this was a big learning point for me, I was far to aggresive with them as I am still (in my head) playing them like biomancy beasts. Second game with this codex I don't think I had to bad an outing, I have 7 more games before the end of the Tournament on Saturday, by then I think I'll be a fair way down the learning curve.

But yes, I will be playing my Flyrants a lot more conservatively in the future.


3. I realize this may be a modeling issue, but the optimal build for dakkafexes are 2x TL-D's. Drop the Adrenals in order to give them the 2nd set of devourers. You want to keep your flyrants as cheap as possible anyways because they are a high priority target (Hive Commander is the only option I would consider other than their guns).
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Yeah, I know my second Flyrant hasn't got the most optimal build but that is a WYSIWYG issue. In casual games I can get away with it, as the Devourers are made to look like double devourers. However, I do face a lot Demon princes in my area, so the Lash Whip and Bonesword has been a life saver in the past, but that was when it reduced initiative to 1. Untested with the new Swiftstrike rule.

Thanks for the feedback again, I have a 3k casual game on Wednesday morning, a 1650 practise game Wednesday evening and then the same on Thursday, before my Tournament on Saturday, so I'll be putting up all the results and learnings from those games as it happens.

   
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 jy2 wrote:

I played against Eric as well....at the LVO. We were both 4-0 going into the crucial Game #5, where he knocked me out of the Championships. He's a very good player. Damn those White Scars. Lol.

Congrats against Eldar!



Yea but he's also nice, which is always good to lose to.

I cant help but consider that the Eldar player would have been much less wont to disembark his DA and pushed his Prisms up and around had he encountered Crones before. Having said that, one of the biggest issues I consistently run in to is
I just dont know other armies well enough yet. I often play blind and have to ask about some units over and over again, especially characters. So I dont feel too bad.

   
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Battle report completed on p. 49:


1750 Hive Fleet Pandora vs Hybrid Eldar



 Iechine wrote:
 jy2 wrote:

I played against Eric as well....at the LVO. We were both 4-0 going into the crucial Game #5, where he knocked me out of the Championships. He's a very good player. Damn those White Scars. Lol.

Congrats against Eldar!



Yea but he's also nice, which is always good to lose to.

I cant help but consider that the Eldar player would have been much less wont to disembark his DA and pushed his Prisms up and around had he encountered Crones before. Having said that, one of the biggest issues I consistently run in to is
I just dont know other armies well enough yet. I often play blind and have to ask about some units over and over again, especially characters. So I dont feel too bad.

Yeah, Eric is really cool. He was actually my Vegas roommate and we both went into our games pretty drunk already. Lol.

It's definitely helpful to know other people's armies. I can't say how much knowledge has helped me in many of my games. As a matter of fact, I contribute a lot of my wins to me knowing my opponent's armies a lot better than my opponents knowing mine. You know what they say....knowledge is power.


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