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 SHUPPET wrote:

 beardman3000 wrote:
So what would be the best thing to put in the tyranocyte? I WAS thinking Dima but I am not quite sure... Do not really want to spend over 100 on the model lol.

I usually play against SW or Orks and neither have a lot of armor at all, only occasionally.

What you really want is Living Artillery. Biovores wreck Orks and trade well with anything in Wolves, and Exocrines wreck any more elite infantry. Tyrannocytes not even going to be that great in this match up, they have to come to you regardless, as such the only real point to using one would be getting rear armour shots or pumping firepower into a backfield unit, I'd say Dakkafex or Exocrine for this role.

I already run the Living Artillery....

as of now I have

HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Thorax Hive 240

Elite: Zoey Brood: x2 100
Elite: Veno Brood: x2 90 (you can split this into two, if you wish)

Troops: Termigants, x20 80
Troops: Termigants, x20 80
Troops: Hormagaunts, x15 75
Troops: Hormagaunts, x15 75
Troops: Warrior Brood, x3, x2 Deathspitters,Strangle Cannon 110

Heavy: Dakkafex 150
Heavy: Mawloc 140

Total cost: 1140

Formation: Living Artillery: 400

Warrior Brood: x3, X2 Deathspitters, Venom Cannon 110
Biovore Brood, x3 120
Exocrene 170

This is 1540. and we are going to start playing at 2000. So I was thinking more of

HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Thorax Hive 240
HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, thorax Hive 240

Elite: Malanthrope 85

Troops: Termagants, x20 10 w/ devourers 120
Troops: Termagants, x20 10 w/ devourers 120
Troops: Hormagaunts, x19 95
Troops: Warrior Brood, x3, x2 Deathspitters, Venom Cannon 110

Heavy: Dakkafex 150
Heavy: Mawloc 140

Dima w/ Tyranocytes w/ stranglers/cannons 300

Total cost: 1600

Formation: Living Artillery: 400

Warrior Brood: x3, X2 Deathspitters, Venom Cannon 110
Biovore Brood, x3 120
Exocrene 170


makes it 2000 on the nose



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 L0rdF1end wrote:

locarno24 wrote:
Hmmm....

Fair point.

So, Thinking about massed-tyrannocyte forces.

The key is what you start on the ground with. I was wondering if Deathleaper's Assassin Brood might be a good idea - 5 solo lictors and paranoia-boy himself. Just as a many-small-unit threat, it's unlikely the enemy can flatten them all in one turn, probably not in two, and solo lictor models are easy to hide and get close to the enemy.

On the other hand, it's also not far shy of 400 points.

I suspect drop-heavy forces aren't going to work because of the price per unit you're paying for heavy lift. Using spores to bring in two monstrous creatures instead of walking is affordable - much more than that really starts to bite into your budget.

Exactly, points get out of control quickly.

A couple of pods I think is enough, perhaps different elements in the list so you can choose what to pod depending on army faced.
Or just dropping in something that's an all rounder like a DakkaFex.
Personally I'll be play testing the Toxicrenes in a pod for a while and see how that fairs.

Let me know how that works.... I was going to do the same thing !

Cheers.
I will post back my analysis.

Like some keep a record of win/loss/draw ratio in their signatures, I'm considering just adding a count for how many Wraith Knights my Toxicrenes manage to eat

You should keep a tally of wraithknights, riptides and dreadknights that your toxicrenes eat.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
Cheers.
I will post back my analysis.

Like some keep a record of win/loss/draw ratio in their signatures, I'm considering just adding a count for how many Wraith Knights my Toxicrenes manage to eat

love it

Ok, I'm going to give the Deathleaper Assassin's Brood another go in a battle I have coming up.

The list that I am planning to use:


1850 Deathleaper Assassin's Brood

Dakka Flyrant - Egrubs
Dakka Flyrant - Egrubs

Malanthrope

3x Rippers - Deepstrike
3x Rippers - Deepstrike
10x Genestealers

Dimachaeron

Mawloc
Mawloc
Tyrannocyte - 5x Barbed Stranglers

Bastion - Comms

Deathleaper

5x Lictors

I love going to ground with lictors, then using a flyrant to pop them back up with synapse on my turn. So tasty.

If we want to drop something in to hunt MCs, I say we use...

Tyrant Guard.

Tyrant guard an incredibly overlooked unit. As soon as people buy their Tyrants wings, they forget about Guard completely. But, for their points they are an incredibly beefy unit. For 179 points + 75 for pod you can drop in 3 Tyrant Guard with poison and a single Lash Whip/Bonesword. The unit is just as durable as an MC, especially with cover and shrouded, but will almost always be a lesser target priority than most MCs you should be dropping with them, They'll put out a ton of attacks against anything that comes at them and can easily kill a Wraithknight with the LW/BS. No characters to challenge out, can't be meltabombed, and in a pinch you can attach a Flyrant to protect a Warlord point.

I think I'll have to experiment with dropping in a TGuard unit and two dakkafex, plus malanthropes, to really mess with someone.

 jifel wrote:
If we want to drop something in to hunt MCs, I say we use...

Tyrant Guard.

Tyrant guard an incredibly overlooked unit. As soon as people buy their Tyrants wings, they forget about Guard completely. But, for their points they are an incredibly beefy unit. For 179 points + 75 for pod you can drop in 3 Tyrant Guard with poison and a single Lash Whip/Bonesword. The unit is just as durable as an MC, especially with cover and shrouded, but will almost always be a lesser target priority than most MCs you should be dropping with them, They'll put out a ton of attacks against anything that comes at them and can easily kill a Wraithknight with the LW/BS. No characters to challenge out, can't be meltabombed, and in a pinch you can attach a Flyrant to protect a Warlord point.

I think I'll have to experiment with dropping in a TGuard unit and two dakkafex, plus malanthropes, to really mess with someone.

I like the idea of Tyrant Guard in a pod (Perhaps Crushing claws and Toxin Sacs for 4+ to wound AP2) with a Flyrant gliding down to join them.
Perhaps to wack something. Perhaps because he's low on wounds.
Or just vanilla Tyrant Guard would be useful in this sense.

I agree with you, could be useful.
Trouble is, you want 3 which is 150 points.
That's nearly a Toxicrene which is potentially more useful.


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Holy Smokes...:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/tyranid-venomthropes-and-zoanthropes.html

 L0rdF1end wrote:

 jifel wrote:
If we want to drop something in to hunt MCs, I say we use...

Tyrant Guard.

Tyrant guard an incredibly overlooked unit. As soon as people buy their Tyrants wings, they forget about Guard completely. But, for their points they are an incredibly beefy unit. For 179 points + 75 for pod you can drop in 3 Tyrant Guard with poison and a single Lash Whip/Bonesword. The unit is just as durable as an MC, especially with cover and shrouded, but will almost always be a lesser target priority than most MCs you should be dropping with them, They'll put out a ton of attacks against anything that comes at them and can easily kill a Wraithknight with the LW/BS. No characters to challenge out, can't be meltabombed, and in a pinch you can attach a Flyrant to protect a Warlord point.

I think I'll have to experiment with dropping in a TGuard unit and two dakkafex, plus malanthropes, to really mess with someone.

I like the idea of Tyrant Guard in a pod (Perhaps Crushing claws and Toxin Sacs for 4+ to wound AP2) with a Flyrant gliding down to join them.
Perhaps to wack something. Perhaps because he's low on wounds.
Or just vanilla Tyrant Guard would be useful in this sense.

I agree with you, could be useful.
Trouble is, you want 3 which is 150 points.
That's nearly a Toxicrene which is potentially more useful.


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Holy Smokes...:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/tyranid-venomthropes-and-zoanthropes.html

If this is true (and it seems like it may well be ) This would be extremely cool. I might just start fielding "Psycho" lists full time. Even if it just turns out to be a box of three dual use figs, it will be a very welcome release.

Swarmlord arrives in one pod,Tyrant Guard in another one and they join.

Probably not very competitive, but sounds fun.

pinecone77 wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:

 jifel wrote:
If we want to drop something in to hunt MCs, I say we use...

Tyrant Guard.

Tyrant guard an incredibly overlooked unit. As soon as people buy their Tyrants wings, they forget about Guard completely. But, for their points they are an incredibly beefy unit. For 179 points + 75 for pod you can drop in 3 Tyrant Guard with poison and a single Lash Whip/Bonesword. The unit is just as durable as an MC, especially with cover and shrouded, but will almost always be a lesser target priority than most MCs you should be dropping with them, They'll put out a ton of attacks against anything that comes at them and can easily kill a Wraithknight with the LW/BS. No characters to challenge out, can't be meltabombed, and in a pinch you can attach a Flyrant to protect a Warlord point.

I think I'll have to experiment with dropping in a TGuard unit and two dakkafex, plus malanthropes, to really mess with someone.

I like the idea of Tyrant Guard in a pod (Perhaps Crushing claws and Toxin Sacs for 4+ to wound AP2) with a Flyrant gliding down to join them.
Perhaps to wack something. Perhaps because he's low on wounds.
Or just vanilla Tyrant Guard would be useful in this sense.

I agree with you, could be useful.
Trouble is, you want 3 which is 150 points.
That's nearly a Toxicrene which is potentially more useful.


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Holy Smokes...:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/tyranid-venomthropes-and-zoanthropes.html

If this is true (and it seems like it may well be ) This would be extremely cool. I might just start fielding "Psycho" lists full time. Even if it just turns out to be a box of three dual use figs, it will be a very welcome release.

I'll just leave this here:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The box kit for tyranids coming out next weekend is a Venomthrope-Zoanthrope dual kit that will come with 3 models. The exciting part is that there is a new zoanthrope character upgrade called a Neurothrope, which very much sounds like the old Doom of Malanti. it comes with a spirit leech -warp charge 1, that targets an enemy unit within 18". Leadership check on 3d6 or suffer a wound by each point the test was failed with no armour or cover saves. Each wound also adds 1 to your dice pool for Warp Blasts.

Upgrade a zoey to super zoey. Interesting.

I am tempted to start running a Zoanthrope in a Tyranocyte list on the off chance I roll Psychic Scream, bring back Doom!

Neurothrope is very intriguing..

pinecone77 wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:

 jifel wrote:
If we want to drop something in to hunt MCs, I say we use...

Tyrant Guard.

Tyrant guard an incredibly overlooked unit. As soon as people buy their Tyrants wings, they forget about Guard completely. But, for their points they are an incredibly beefy unit. For 179 points + 75 for pod you can drop in 3 Tyrant Guard with poison and a single Lash Whip/Bonesword. The unit is just as durable as an MC, especially with cover and shrouded, but will almost always be a lesser target priority than most MCs you should be dropping with them, They'll put out a ton of attacks against anything that comes at them and can easily kill a Wraithknight with the LW/BS. No characters to challenge out, can't be meltabombed, and in a pinch you can attach a Flyrant to protect a Warlord point.

I think I'll have to experiment with dropping in a TGuard unit and two dakkafex, plus malanthropes, to really mess with someone.

I like the idea of Tyrant Guard in a pod (Perhaps Crushing claws and Toxin Sacs for 4+ to wound AP2) with a Flyrant gliding down to join them.
Perhaps to wack something. Perhaps because he's low on wounds.
Or just vanilla Tyrant Guard would be useful in this sense.

I agree with you, could be useful.
Trouble is, you want 3 which is 150 points.
That's nearly a Toxicrene which is potentially more useful.


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Holy Smokes...:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/tyranid-venomthropes-and-zoanthropes.html

If this is true (and it seems like it may well be ) This would be extremely cool. I might just start fielding "Psycho" lists full time. Even if it just turns out to be a box of three dual use figs, it will be a very welcome release.

First new release I am really excited about. Toxi and Mala release are a bit of a let down for rules, the Tyrannicyte a bit ho-hum for being a plain ugly model but possibly use floating gunboat. but this will be ordered.

What is up with all these new Tyranid units?

I must've been a good boy lately.

 jy2 wrote:
What is up with all these new Tyranid units?

I must've been a good boy lately.

Please keep being a good boy

 jy2 wrote:
What is up with all these new Tyranid units?

I must've been a good boy lately.

With the Tyranid v Blood Angels box coming and no new Codex on the horizon for the bugs, it's pretty much just to get the interest back in Nid's favor for the release cycle. Also, with Chapterhouse going under, they have no reason not to bring back "Doom" (becuase let's be honest, that's what the Neruothrope is) and the Drop Pod, now with new models.

Yeah, times are definitely good.

So i've been playing around with a list lately, and haven't really checked out the new drop pod rules yet, points, how it fits in etc.

It's a TAC list with the use of the deathleaper formation


The list totals out to 1850.

So the idea is having the lictors all split up since that formation doesn't make them stick together, generally be overwhelming targets for the enemy, the ones that survive will provide a bunch of options for scatterless deepstrike. Obviously the idea of getting the T-fex in close with the pod would be desireable I could drop the zoan's for it, since their role is primarily babysitting the T-fex to begin with. But, i would be losing out on the batteries for my Flyrants also. at the same time i could take out the spore mines (trolol) and a zoan or a unit of rippers, but i'd be hesitant to drop below 4 troops. I actually really like the options of the spore mines to drop a S9 blast on a unit close to a lictor though, they just provide a lot of unexpected versatility. Before the advent of the pod, it was mostly fishing for MoA warlord trait for the T-Fex, with the zoanthropes as a just-in-case when i didn't get it. Any thoughts on it or input would be more than welcome.

Side question...where is it 'confirmed' that Mucolids are troop choices?



Try as I might, I just cant find anything better to drop in than a Dakkafex. A turn 2 Carnifex in the midst of your army sucks for most anyone and has to be dealt with, which means Flyrants have free reign for another turn.

I've settled on this for starters (Non FW allowed) 1850:

Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Venomthrope
Bastion w/comms
Rippers w/DS
Rippers w/DS
Mucolid
23 Gargoyles
Crone
Dakkafex w/Tyrannocite
Dakkafex w/Tyrannocite
Mawloc

I like to think this is an extremely flexible, TAC list with a strong capacity for anti air/armor/infantry, board control and scoring capacity. What say you?

 Iechine wrote:
Side question...where is it 'confirmed' that Mucolids are troop choices?

The unit entry has the Troops symbol in the upper left, where the "Slot" symbol is.

 Iechine wrote:
Side question...where is it 'confirmed' that Mucolids are troop choices?

Their rules. Check the Troops icon in the top left.

So here I am doing a little theory crafting around the Drop pods. It occurred to me that experimenting with lists devoid of a Flyrant might be a good idea. This is what I've come up with:





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 Iechine wrote:
I've settled on this for starters (Non FW allowed) 1850:

Spoiler:

Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Venomthrope
Bastion w/comms
Rippers w/DS
Rippers w/DS
Mucolid
23 Gargoyles
Crone
Dakkafex w/Tyrannocite
Dakkafex w/Tyrannocite
Mawloc

I like to think this is an extremely flexible, TAC list with a strong capacity for anti air/armor/infantry, board control and scoring capacity. What say you?

I built exactly the same list except without the mucolid (and a few less gargs) just a minute ago. It looks good to me.


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 Krargan wrote:

It's a TAC list with the use of the deathleaper formation

Spore Mines (6)
Spore Mines (3)

I don't understand what you think the spore mines are going to accomplish. You could drop them for a venomthrope to keep your flyrants alive on turn 1, and avoid you TFex being gunned down by AP:2 Weapons.

Did I stutter?
I have a quick question.
If I take a bastion with an escape hatch and have a malanthrope inside it does the shrouded and synapse bubble also extend from the escape hatch?
Cheers

No - you measure from the building not the access points.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Upgrade a zoey to super zoey. Interesting.

Yep, x2 CAD, x4 Zoeys, all solo, add two "Super Zoeys...profit!


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 jy2 wrote:
What is up with all these new Tyranid units?

I must've been a good boy lately.

GW found out you had spare cash...


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 Iechine wrote:
Side question...where is it 'confirmed' that Mucolids are troop choices?



Try as I might, I just cant find anything better to drop in than a Dakkafex. A turn 2 Carnifex in the midst of your army sucks for most anyone and has to be dealt with, which means Flyrants have free reign for another turn.

I've settled on this for starters (Non FW allowed) 1850:

Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Flyrant w/Devs and electro
Venomthrope
Bastion w/comms
Rippers w/DS
Rippers w/DS
Mucolid
23 Gargoyles
Crone
Dakkafex w/Tyrannocite
Dakkafex w/Tyrannocite
Mawloc

I like to think this is an extremely flexible, TAC list with a strong capacity for anti air/armor/infantry, board control and scoring capacity. What say you?

Well...you know me, I think a Tyranofex, with a Thorax Hive is the perfect gift. It should produce a serious headache for any foe.

Just a few quick questions from an un-informed Nid player:

1) Where are these formations (Deathleaper, Living Artillery) coming from? WD? Dataslate?

2) And I have the WD with the Toxicrene rules, but has the WD with the pod and mucolid rules been and gone or is it coming up?

3) Malanthropes are FW, right? And so I have to buy an expensive IA book to gain access to their rules?

Thanks :thumsbup:

 The Shadow wrote:
Just a few quick questions from an un-informed Nid player:

1) Where are these formations (Deathleaper, Living Artillery) coming from? WD? Dataslate?

2) And I have the WD with the Toxicrene rules, but has the WD with the pod and mucolid rules been and gone or is it coming up?

3) Malanthropes are FW, right? And so I have to buy an expensive IA book to gain access to their rules?

Thanks :thumsbup:

1.) They're found in three different dataslates.
2.) Hasn't been released yet.
3.) Imperial Armour IV:The Anphelion Project 2nd edition.

Think the swarmlord in a pod will bring the ole boy back?

Being able to deep strike into the middle of the enemy army, as well as give out all his buffs would be pretty powerful I would think.

Makes it a lot easier to run him without the guards in that case.

Since he can roll up stuff like psychic scream or warp blast to give him something to do when he comes in, I'd say he's more viable than some melee choices to pod in.