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As to fighter aces - I re read the entire section and the consensus of 1 per army is right. The only change from a mission with "fighter aces" and a standard game is the 35 pt tax. The Limit of 1 model stands in both variants.

I retract my initial response of taking the upgrade on "every flyrant ever" but will be using it on at least my warlord every time.

In what is becoming a friendly rivalry and a very educational experience (especially for my friend), this is the 3rd game between my Tyranids and Chris' Daemon Summoning army. And with each passing game, my opponent is getting better and better and his lists are getting nastier and nastier. Chris has just been getting back into the game recently and is still re-learning the game. At the same time, he is practicing for what will be his first GT ever, the Las Vegas Open GT coming next February. I was happy to help him get "up-to-speed" with his army in 7th Edition. Besides, I needed the practice against a good Summoning army as well.

In our first game, I was trying out the dimachaeron and raveners. It was Chris' first time facing the dimachaeron and he really didn't know how to play against it (even though I explained about the dima before our game). The dima went on to single-handedly take apart Chris' daemons, killing over 1000-pts of warpspawn all by himself.

In our 2nd game, Chris was ready for my dimachaeron. I also wanted to test out the Deathleaper Assassin Brood. This game was a much tougher fight for my bugs, as Chris was able to summon 850-pts of daemons....with only 2 summoning psykers! The difference in that game turned out to be my experience, but man, did I have to fight for it:

1850 Hive Fleet Pandora with Deathleaper Assassin Brood + Tyrannocyte vs Chaos Daemons


This will be our 3rd game between my bugs and Chris' daemons. This time, he's got the experience and he's got a super-nasty Daemon Summoning army. Whereas last game, he only used 2 of his daemons for summoning (and still summoned 850-pts of units!), this time, he is running 4 dedicated summoners. He is also running Baleswords and rocking Biomancy powers for all of his Nurgle MC's. As for me, I am testing out the new Skytyrant formation from the Shield of Baal supplement. I am also trying out for the very first time the Fighter Ace upgrade as well. It's not going to be an easy fight. Then again, I wouldn't want it any other way.


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1850 Hive Fleet Pandora with Skytyrant vs Chaos Daemons


1850 Hive Fleet Pandora with Skytyrant



Flyrant - 2x TL-Brainleech Devourers, Egrubs, Fighter Ace - +1 Wound, Horror, Psychic Scream
Flyrant - 2x TL-Brainleech Devourers, Egrubs - Horror, Warp Blast

Malanthrope

3x Rippers - Deepstrike
3x Rippers - Deepstrike
3x Rippers - Deepstrike

Dimachaeron

Mawloc
Mawloc

Bastion - Comms Relay

Skytyrant Formation:

Flyrant - Reaper of Obliterax, 1x TL-Devourers, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs - Horror, Onslaught

20x Gargoyles
20x Gargoyles


1850 Nurgle Daemons w/Slaanesh Allies



This is an approximation of his list.


Greater Unclean One - Level 3 Psyker, 2x Greater Gifts - Balesword, 4+ FNP, Enfeeble, Iron Arm, Warp Speed
Greater Unclean One - Level 3 Psyker, 2x Greater Gifts - Balesword, +1 Wound, It Will Not Die, Smite, Iron Arm, Warp Speed

3x Nurglings
3x Nurglings

Daemon Prince - Level 3 Psyker, Wings, Nurgle, 2x Greater Gifts - Balesword, 4+ FNP, Haemorrhage, Warp Speed, Sacrifice
Daemon Prince - Level 3 Psyker, Wings, Nurgle, 2x Greater Gifts - Balesword, 4+ FNP, Endurance, Warp Speed, Sacrifice

Daemon Allies:

Keeper of Secrets - Level 3 Psyker, 2x Greater Gifts - Re-roll Invuln's, Greater Etherblade, Cursed Earth, Dark Flame, Incursion, Summoning

3x Nurglings

Daemon Prince - Level 3 Psyker, Wings, Slaanesh, 1x Greater Gift - Lash of Despair, Dark Flame, Incursion, Summoning


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Missions:


Primary Objectives: Crusade, 4-pts


Secondary Objectives: Modified Maelstrom, 3-pts

1. Hold Either Objective 1.
2. Hold Either Objective 2.
3. Destroy an enemy unit.
4. Destroy an enemy unit.
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within the enemy deployment zone.
6. Have at least 3 of your scoring units and no enemy scoring units at least partially within your own deployment zone.


Tertiary Objectives: First Blood, Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord, 1-pt each


Deployment: Dawn of War


1st Turn: Daemons


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PRE-GAME ANALYSIS:

So what is the Skytyrant formation? The formation consists of 1 flyrant and 2 units of gargoyles. Basically, these 3 units combine to form 1 unit. While the flyrant is in the unit, he cannot swoop nor can he leave the unit. However, he can Look-Out-Sirs any wounds allocated to him onto one of his gargoyle "meat-shields" instead. The flyrant also gains +6" Synapse and reverts back to a normal, swooping flyrant only when all the gargoyles in the unit are killed. In the case of my army, I basically have a flyrant with 40 gargoyle bodyguards which I can pass my wounds onto.

For my Pre-game Analysis, I am going to do my Top 10 analysis instead.


Top 10 Reasons Why Daemons Will Win.

1. Lots of summoning powers = lots of free units. The more units he can summon, the harder it will be for my army to deal with.

2. Insta-death everywhere. All of his Nurgle MC's cause Insta-death. That means my dimachaeron will do 2 things this game - jack and squat!

3. I get sh*tty psychic powers. Oh what fun the Horror is going to do in this game. And where is FNP when you need it!

4. My jaws dropped at my opponent's psychic powers. Warp Speed for all?!? WTF?!? That means all of his Nurgle guys will be striking before my dimachaeron on open ground! Iron Arms on both GUO's! 2 Sacrifices, 2 Incursions and Cursed Earth. Really? I don't think his powers can get any better than this.

5. Look at those Daemonic gifts! Really?!? Everyone of them are good. No crappy gifts, at least not on the guys that matter. 4+ FNP's everywhere, +1 Wound, It Will Not Die and re-rollable Invuln's...these powers are a daemon player's wet dream come true!

6. Super-high mobility. 3 flying MC's and the ability to summon very fast daemons with Incursion means my opponent has got a very fast army.

7. Lack of shooting. Normally, lack of shooting is bad, but in this case, that means my malanthrope and bastion are somewhat wasted points.

8. Objectives. With the ability to add so many units, my opponent should have the advantage in the Maelstrom objectives. Moreover, the units that he summons can be very fast units.

9. My opponent is more familiar with my army now that he's played against it a couple of times. Also, he should know better what to expect, though the Skytyrant formation will be new to him (as it is to me as well).

10. Nurgle daemons and their Shrouded 2+ jink/ruins cover saves can be a b*tch to play against. Combine that with 4+ FNP everywhere and now you are essentially looking at a re-rollable 2+ unit (which is actually a 2+/4+ unit in the BAO format). That definitely is a b*tch to play against.


Top 10 Reasons Why Tyranids Will Win.

1. He is playing against me, a very savvy and experienced general.

2. F U daemons. I am going to tarpit the crap out of you with 40 frickin' gargoyles.

3. My bugs are definitely a better shooting army. Even if I won't really take down his Nurgle guys, at least I can take down his Slaanesh MC's to reduce his Summoning capabilities.

4. I predict that my dimachaeron will get more kills this game than he did last game (which was 0). So any contribution on his part is an improvement.

5. I think I can control the board with my Skytyrant unit. Thus, I should have better access to the objectives than my opponent.

6. Being Initiative 8, my Skytyrant has a chance to kill his GUO in combat, even with Warp Speed (which would give it Initiative 7). However, my Skytyrant would be toast in combat against one of his Nurgle DP's with Warp Speed.

7. I am going 2nd, which means I have the final say on the objectives (that is, if the game doesn't continue).

8. I have a secret weapon.....Shadows in the Warp!

9. Uh...did I mention that I was the more experienced general? Well, that's worth 2 points on my Top 10 list.

10. While my opponent takes a break (restroom, smoke, whatever), I shall secretly remove one of his MC models from the table and hope he doesn't notice.


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For the rest of the battle, you can check it out here:


1850 Rematch - Hive Fleet Pandora with Skytyrant Formation vs Chaos Daemons


Do tyranids have a chance? Let me know what you guys think there.

 Iechine wrote:
Here's a scheme I've wanted to do for a long time, he's almost finished besides veins, eyes and other touchups.

that really is sweet.

Your primary detachment is the one with your warlord in it. It has nothing to do with what a detachment can take. Any of the detachments could be your primary.

Except the Allied Detachment, of course.

Alright boys, I have an issue for the hive. Lets see what comes of this. I have a good friend that I brought into the game on Dark Angels, and he has promptly brought in quite a few guardsman. Now unfortunately, he somehow got it into his head that hordes are these wonderful things, and decided to turn the guard into his version of my Tyranids. Like I said, completely out of nowhere idea. And he decided to fill his lovely massive infantry platoons full of flamers and flamer special weapon squads with a few grenade launcher squads in the rear. He also is working on 2 max size units of conscripts. I have also since learned that FRFSRF is very unpleasant en masse.

My hive fleet is being decimated and he likes to keep a tally of what he has burnt to a crisp. Here is a basic mapping of his army from when I helped him build it and keep it legal, if I remember it right.

Lord Commisar
CCS w/ MoO, OoF, Vox
3x Ministorum Priests w/ Plasma Guns

3x PCS
6x Infantry squads w/ Flamer, Vox
2x SWS w/ Flamers
2x SWS w/ Grenade Launchers
2x HWS w/ Autocannons
50x Conscripts
1x Vendetta (Why did I buy him this for Christmas?)
1x Armored Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Basilisk
1x Leman Russ

Anyone got any recommendations for taking out chunks of that infantry? I've got a few Mawlocs and Biovores, but they certainly aren't taking out enough before our lines hit. Also, that Vendetta is an obnoxious little bugger who likes to pick on my Carnifexes. Should I put a rush on finishing up my Flyrants or do I have some other options that could work for taking it out quickly?

List tailoring? 2x3 Biovores will end his desire to have walking guard. At the very minimum, I would have 1x3 Biovores.

Flyrants will make short work of the Vendettas

Are all MC's extremely bulky? I've also assumed so, but I've just looked in the Monstrous Creature rules, and it's not listed as one of there special rules, and none of ours have it listed in their profiles.

I only ask because I want to know what can't be used to for the Dimachaerons Thorax attack.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Are all MC's extremely bulky? I've also assumed so, but I've just looked in the Monstrous Creature rules, and it's not listed as one of there special rules, and none of ours have it listed in their profiles.

I only ask because I want to know what can't be used to for the Dimachaerons Thorax attack.

The thorax attack specifies it can only hit "Infantry models that do not have the very bulky or extremely bulky rule". No bikes, no MCs, no vehicles, no beasts, no cavalry, no artillery.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Are all MC's extremely bulky? I've also assumed so, but I've just looked in the Monstrous Creature rules, and it's not listed as one of there special rules, and none of ours have it listed in their profiles.

I only ask because I want to know what can't be used to for the Dimachaerons Thorax attack.

The thorax attack specifies it can only hit "Infantry models that do not have the very bulky or extremely bulky rule". No bikes, no MCs, no vehicles, no beasts, no cavalry, no artillery.

It only says Extremely Bulky. But where does it say what has the Extremely bulky rule?

Eldercaveman wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Are all MC's extremely bulky? I've also assumed so, but I've just looked in the Monstrous Creature rules, and it's not listed as one of there special rules, and none of ours have it listed in their profiles.

I only ask because I want to know what can't be used to for the Dimachaerons Thorax attack.

The thorax attack specifies it can only hit "Infantry models that do not have the very bulky or extremely bulky rule". No bikes, no MCs, no vehicles, no beasts, no cavalry, no artillery.

It only says Extremely Bulky. But where does it say what has the Extremely bulky rule?

Unit types in the rulebook.

So no non-vehicle has the Extremely Bulky special rule.

Bikes/Jetbikes - EB
Jump Units - B
Jet Pack Units - B
Beasts- Doesn't state.
Cavalry - Doesn't State
Monstrous Creatures - Doesn't state.

Eldercaveman wrote:
So no non-vehicle has the Extremely Bulky special rule.

Bikes/Jetbikes - EB
Jump Units - B
Jet Pack Units - B
Beasts- Doesn't state.
Cavalry - Doesn't State
Monstrous Creatures - Doesn't state.

"...A spine maw attack may target any Infantry models that do not have the Extremely Bulky special rule..."

You're missing the key descriptor - it only affects infantry. Centurions are infantry with EB, so you may not eat a centurion with it. i'm sure there are other examples as well - i think Destroyers are Jump Infantry with EB.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
So no non-vehicle has the Extremely Bulky special rule.

Bikes/Jetbikes - EB
Jump Units - B
Jet Pack Units - B
Beasts- Doesn't state.
Cavalry - Doesn't State
Monstrous Creatures - Doesn't state.

"...A spine maw attack may target any Infantry models that do not have the Extremely Bulky special rule..."

You're missing the key descriptor - it only affects infantry. Centurions are infantry with EB, so you may not eat a centurion with it. i'm sure there are other examples as well - i think Destroyers are Jump Infantry with EB.

Blah! Brain fart, I was wondering why that wouldn't click! Cheers!

Running my Dimachaeron for the first time tonight.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Alright boys, I have an issue for the hive. Lets see what comes of this. I have a good friend that I brought into the game on Dark Angels, and he has promptly brought in quite a few guardsman. Now unfortunately, he somehow got it into his head that hordes are these wonderful things, and decided to turn the guard into his version of my Tyranids. Like I said, completely out of nowhere idea. And he decided to fill his lovely massive infantry platoons full of flamers and flamer special weapon squads with a few grenade launcher squads in the rear. He also is working on 2 max size units of conscripts. I have also since learned that FRFSRF is very unpleasant en masse.

My hive fleet is being decimated and he likes to keep a tally of what he has burnt to a crisp. Here is a basic mapping of his army from when I helped him build it and keep it legal, if I remember it right.

Lord Commisar
CCS w/ MoO, OoF, Vox
3x Ministorum Priests w/ Plasma Guns

3x PCS
6x Infantry squads w/ Flamer, Vox
2x SWS w/ Flamers
2x SWS w/ Grenade Launchers
2x HWS w/ Autocannons
50x Conscripts
1x Vendetta (Why did I buy him this for Christmas?)
1x Armored Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Basilisk
1x Leman Russ

Anyone got any recommendations for taking out chunks of that infantry? I've got a few Mawlocs and Biovores, but they certainly aren't taking out enough before our lines hit. Also, that Vendetta is an obnoxious little bugger who likes to pick on my Carnifexes. Should I put a rush on finishing up my Flyrants or do I have some other options that could work for taking it out quickly?

Well, Mawloc, and Biovores are good answers. But you could use a Tyranofex, Thorax Hive. Give it a Hormagaunt screen, and you should be able to put a few dents in those hordes.

This is for use in the LGS, so no 5 Flyrants for me, rather a general TAC list. Will play against Chaos Space Marines with this friday, so welcome your input!

-- Combined Arms
Hive Tyrant: twin-linked devourer with brainleech worms; twin-linked devourer with brainleech worms; wings; regeneration; electroshock grubs
Hive Tyrant: twin-linked devourer with brainleech worms; twin-linked devourer with brainleech worms; wings; electroshock grubs

30 Termagants
Scuttling Swarm Tervigon: crushing claws; electroshock grubs

5 Zoanthropes: Neurothrope
1 Malanthrope

Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte

-- Living Artillery Node
3 Tyranid Warriors: 2× scything talons; barbed strangler
3 Biovores
Exocrine


Drop in the Zoanthropes and the Tervigon with pods, while Malanthrope, Gaunts and the LAN take midfield. Flyrants do work as usual.

Is this the longest thread on dakka?

 GKTiberius wrote:
Is this the longest thread on dakka?

Probably not, but I am happy to see the Tyranid community (at least here on dakka) bonding together to show people that Tyranids are not as bad as most had thought.

Not by a long shot. In certain subforums there are threads with 1000+ pages...

This thread is less than 11 months old though. We're averaging near a new page per day. Doubt many threads can say that, even some of the ones that are 1,000 pages long.


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 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Alright boys, I have an issue for the hive. Lets see what comes of this. I have a good friend that I brought into the game on Dark Angels, and he has promptly brought in quite a few guardsman. Now unfortunately, he somehow got it into his head that hordes are these wonderful things, and decided to turn the guard into his version of my Tyranids. Like I said, completely out of nowhere idea. And he decided to fill his lovely massive infantry platoons full of flamers and flamer special weapon squads with a few grenade launcher squads in the rear. He also is working on 2 max size units of conscripts. I have also since learned that FRFSRF is very unpleasant en masse.

My hive fleet is being decimated and he likes to keep a tally of what he has burnt to a crisp. Here is a basic mapping of his army from when I helped him build it and keep it legal, if I remember it right.

Lord Commisar
CCS w/ MoO, OoF, Vox
3x Ministorum Priests w/ Plasma Guns

3x PCS
6x Infantry squads w/ Flamer, Vox
2x SWS w/ Flamers
2x SWS w/ Grenade Launchers
2x HWS w/ Autocannons
50x Conscripts
1x Vendetta (Why did I buy him this for Christmas?)
1x Armored Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Basilisk
1x Leman Russ

Anyone got any recommendations for taking out chunks of that infantry? I've got a few Mawlocs and Biovores, but they certainly aren't taking out enough before our lines hit. Also, that Vendetta is an obnoxious little bugger who likes to pick on my Carnifexes. Should I put a rush on finishing up my Flyrants or do I have some other options that could work for taking it out quickly?

Biovores love hordes. Literally love. If you are already running an exocrine, then the Living Artillery Node is probably going to be your best friend. Biovores are especially great at anti-horde because they are barrage, so the wounds come from the center of the blast (allowing you to snipe out a character, etc) but this also means that cover is essentially ignored unless the models affected are standing in it AND it does not require you to be 25% obscured, like ruins and battlefield debris (or a crater oddly lol). It is possible to be covered by at least 25% in other terrain, but this is much less likely because it's checked from the center of the blast, which you get to place, so be smart about it and kill some stuff!

Basically, the only thing that Biovores aren't awesome at killing is 3+ armor or better. Against a guard blob, you can easily put 15 wounds on them, wound on 3's, so you're looking at 10 dead guardsmen a turn. Not too shabby. As has been pointed out, 2 units of three will make your friend seriously reconsider running hordes.

Flyrants rule the skies, and putting out an average of 9 wounds per turn on anything T4 or less is great, though you probably don't want to waste that strength 6 on guardsmen. Get to the rear armor of those tanks and light them up (or just pop as many transports as you'd like, giving the Biovores more things to shoot at )

Carnifexes have the same guns as the Flyrants (or can) and they open tanks like a kid opens presents on Christmas day.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Alright boys, I have an issue for the hive. Lets see what comes of this. I have a good friend that I brought into the game on Dark Angels, and he has promptly brought in quite a few guardsman. Now unfortunately, he somehow got it into his head that hordes are these wonderful things, and decided to turn the guard into his version of my Tyranids. Like I said, completely out of nowhere idea. And he decided to fill his lovely massive infantry platoons full of flamers and flamer special weapon squads with a few grenade launcher squads in the rear. He also is working on 2 max size units of conscripts. I have also since learned that FRFSRF is very unpleasant en masse.

My hive fleet is being decimated and he likes to keep a tally of what he has burnt to a crisp. Here is a basic mapping of his army from when I helped him build it and keep it legal, if I remember it right.

Lord Commisar
CCS w/ MoO, OoF, Vox
3x Ministorum Priests w/ Plasma Guns

3x PCS
6x Infantry squads w/ Flamer, Vox
2x SWS w/ Flamers
2x SWS w/ Grenade Launchers
2x HWS w/ Autocannons
50x Conscripts
1x Vendetta (Why did I buy him this for Christmas?)
1x Armored Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Basilisk
1x Leman Russ

Anyone got any recommendations for taking out chunks of that infantry? I've got a few Mawlocs and Biovores, but they certainly aren't taking out enough before our lines hit. Also, that Vendetta is an obnoxious little bugger who likes to pick on my Carnifexes. Should I put a rush on finishing up my Flyrants or do I have some other options that could work for taking it out quickly?

Even your flyrants can do work against his infantry. Now I don't know how many flyrants you are running (or if any at all), but electroshock + 6 devourers can put a dent into his unit and you can do so relatively safely with your flyrants still swooping. With 2 or 3 flyrants, the damage becomes substantial whereas the threat of retaliation gets weaker. Most of his flashlights will be hitting and wounding on 6's anyways.

Then you've got mawlocs, biovores and hive crones to thin out the herd, so to speak. When firing biovores, make sure to center the blasts on important models like commissars and primaris psykers. Get rid of their stubborness/fearlessness/ability to cast Prescience/Perfect Timing/etc. The only time you will really have problems is if one of his psykers get Invisibility.

Try to get your flyrants to within Shadows range of his psykers and then watch as he starts failing his Perils tests.

Finally, don't forget your psychic powers. Powers such as Paroxysm can be very useful against the blob. If he doesn't have a commissar or Fearless guy in there, then the Horror can be quite good as well. Finally, if he is running multiple units, then Psychic Scream can be devastating if you can get your flyrants into the right place.

Lastly, you can take a tyrannocyte with 5 barbed strangler and put a tyrannofex with dual templates in it. That unit is devastating to a horde army.

Good luck!

So I'm a (relatively) new Nid player who's been having fun with Endless Swarm. I'm considering running skytyrant, but am unsure what melee artefact to run: Maw-Claws sound amazing for giving 40+ gargoyles Pref enemy, but most people in this thread seem to be taking the Reaper? I guess that's because the gargoyles are essentially a huge meatshield and are meant to die, but do people think Maw-claws could work as opposed to a Reaper or..?

i've noticed that FW doesn't sell shrikes' wings anymore.... anyone has some info about it?

badula wrote:
i've noticed that FW doesn't sell shrikes' wings anymore.... anyone has some info about it?

It was mentioned in the FW releases thread I believe- they don't fit the new warrior kit. They pulled them until they can work out a solution.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

badula wrote:
i've noticed that FW doesn't sell shrikes' wings anymore.... anyone has some info about it?

It was mentioned in the FW releases thread I believe- they don't fit the new warrior kit. They pulled them until they can work out a solution.

seems i've missed that!

good news btw!^^

i DO hope for a plastic upgrade kit!

Benlisted wrote:
So I'm a (relatively) new Nid player who's been having fun with Endless Swarm. I'm considering running skytyrant, but am unsure what melee artefact to run: Maw-Claws sound amazing for giving 40+ gargoyles Pref enemy, but most people in this thread seem to be taking the Reaper? I guess that's because the gargoyles are essentially a huge meatshield and are meant to die, but do people think Maw-claws could work as opposed to a Reaper or..?

Preferred enemy isn't that important for the gargoyles. They are there as ablative wounds not to do damage. Preferred enemy for the Tyrant, on the other hand could be good. The problem is, a Tyrant without a BS + LW doesn't have instant death or +3 Initiative and will get his butt kicked by most other close combat bad-asses.

I think it is fair to say the Reaper is "better", but it is a Lot more expensive (so it should be ) IK is a very useful "thing" but I believe you can run LW/BS, and Maw claws, you'd just give up Brain Leeches...

I used to run a "Winged Assassin" with Wings, Lash/Bone, Toxic with Thorax Hive with great success. I'm kinda thinking with SkyTyrant those days may be back! Even without Insta Killy Awesomness you'd still have Rending. And you'd save a bunch of points.

Low cost Assassin/SkyTyrant: Wings, Mawclaws,Toxic, Thorax Hive.....220? That looks dang cheap! Shoot you can toss points at all sorts of goofy upgrades with moderate to low guilt.

badula wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

badula wrote:
i've noticed that FW doesn't sell shrikes' wings anymore.... anyone has some info about it?

It was mentioned in the FW releases thread I believe- they don't fit the new warrior kit. They pulled them until they can work out a solution.

seems i've missed that!

good news btw!^^

i DO hope for a plastic upgrade kit!

Oh weird! I ordered the shrike wings from Forgeworld after the new Warrior kit came out and they fit perfectly fine. Not sure why they'd remove them. Maybe re-doing?

First off I like to say I have loved this thread. I have Followed it from day one.
I am posting now as I am needing some help for a upcoming 2day tourney I am going to soon in Seattle. It is my first 2dy tourney and I want to have a great time.

I have posted some lists I am thinking about in the army list area and I thought I post a link here to see if I can get some advise from you all as well.

Here is the link. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625761.page#7405287

Thanks for all the good info and your time if you look at this

 jy2 wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Alright boys, I have an issue for the hive. Lets see what comes of this. I have a good friend that I brought into the game on Dark Angels, and he has promptly brought in quite a few guardsman. Now unfortunately, he somehow got it into his head that hordes are these wonderful things, and decided to turn the guard into his version of my Tyranids. Like I said, completely out of nowhere idea. And he decided to fill his lovely massive infantry platoons full of flamers and flamer special weapon squads with a few grenade launcher squads in the rear. He also is working on 2 max size units of conscripts. I have also since learned that FRFSRF is very unpleasant en masse.

My hive fleet is being decimated and he likes to keep a tally of what he has burnt to a crisp. Here is a basic mapping of his army from when I helped him build it and keep it legal, if I remember it right.

Lord Commisar
CCS w/ MoO, OoF, Vox
3x Ministorum Priests w/ Plasma Guns

3x PCS
6x Infantry squads w/ Flamer, Vox
2x SWS w/ Flamers
2x SWS w/ Grenade Launchers
2x HWS w/ Autocannons
50x Conscripts
1x Vendetta (Why did I buy him this for Christmas?)
1x Armored Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Basilisk
1x Leman Russ

Anyone got any recommendations for taking out chunks of that infantry? I've got a few Mawlocs and Biovores, but they certainly aren't taking out enough before our lines hit. Also, that Vendetta is an obnoxious little bugger who likes to pick on my Carnifexes. Should I put a rush on finishing up my Flyrants or do I have some other options that could work for taking it out quickly?

Even your flyrants can do work against his infantry. Now I don't know how many flyrants you are running (or if any at all), but electroshock + 6 devourers can put a dent into his unit and you can do so relatively safely with your flyrants still swooping. With 2 or 3 flyrants, the damage becomes substantial whereas the threat of retaliation gets weaker. Most of his flashlights will be hitting and wounding on 6's anyways.

Then you've got mawlocs, biovores and hive crones to thin out the herd, so to speak. When firing biovores, make sure to center the blasts on important models like commissars and primaris psykers. Get rid of their stubborness/fearlessness/ability to cast Prescience/Perfect Timing/etc. The only time you will really have problems is if one of his psykers get Invisibility.

Try to get your flyrants to within Shadows range of his psykers and then watch as he starts failing his Perils tests.

Finally, don't forget your psychic powers. Powers such as Paroxysm can be very useful against the blob. If he doesn't have a commissar or Fearless guy in there, then the Horror can be quite good as well. Finally, if he is running multiple units, then Psychic Scream can be devastating if you can get your flyrants into the right place.

Lastly, you can take a tyrannocyte with 5 barbed strangler and put a tyrannofex with dual templates in it. That unit is devastating to a horde army.

Good luck!

Thanks for the tips. I am slow on the painting side of things. but I do have the 2 flyrants I got in an army lot. Never used them yet, since I haven't had a match in a long while that I can truly count as one that was at a decent point value. Then again, the more I look at my army, the more I am ashamed of it, in a sense.

I have something close to this if I remember right.

1 Harridan

1 Swarmlord
1 Walkrant?
2 Flyrants
2 Tyrant Guard
3-5 Tervigons
1 Deathleaper
1 Old One Eye

1 Zoanthrope

200 or so Termagants
200 or so Hormagaunts
120 or so Genestealers w/ Broodlords
40-50 Ripper Bases
30+ Warrior/Shrikes

30-40 Gargoyles
30+ Warrior/Shrikes
20 or so Spore Mines

2 Biovores
12 Carnifexes
2 Mawlocs
3 Tyrannofexes

So many gribblies, but I see the TMCs lacking luster and too little synaptic support.