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 jy2 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
If I have a Leviathan primary, and a formation. Does that formation count as being from the Leviathan detachment?

If not, and I select my warlord from the formation, does it get to choose where it takes it warlord trait from?

No, the formation will not have any of the special rules and Command Benefits of the Leviathan detachment, though it can still benefit from Warlord traits and army buffs if it was a Battle Brothers ally (like Tyranids + Tyranids).

For the formation, you pick the Warlord trait from the BRB. You cannot pick it from a Detachment that it isn't a part of. So for example, Leviathan + Skyblight. The Flyrant in the Skyblight formation cannot pick a Leviathan Warlord trait. It can only pick from the traits from the BRB.

Well it can pick from the Tyranid codex or Leviathan book as it has the Tyranids Faction, and they give you permission to do that. What I'm more interested in hearing is that if my Skytyrant is my warlord I can roll strategic. Is it worth rolling on without the re-roll? I think yes.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
If I have a Leviathan primary, and a formation. Does that formation count as being from the Leviathan detachment?

If not, and I select my warlord from the formation, does it get to choose where it takes it warlord trait from?

No, the formation will not have any of the special rules and Command Benefits of the Leviathan detachment, though it can still benefit from Warlord traits and army buffs if it was a Battle Brothers ally (like Tyranids + Tyranids).

For the formation, you pick the Warlord trait from the BRB. You cannot pick it from a Detachment that it isn't a part of. So for example, Leviathan + Skyblight. The Flyrant in the Skyblight formation cannot pick a Leviathan Warlord trait. It can only pick from the traits from the BRB.

Well it can pick from the Tyranid codex or Leviathan book as it has the Tyranids Faction, and they give you permission to do that. What I'm more interested in hearing is that if my Skytyrant is my warlord I can roll strategic. Is it worth rolling on without the re-roll? I think yes.

I sure think so...but aren't you Battle Forged? Isn't that what gives the re-roll? or does the Leviathan trump that? I guess I need to take a look when I get home...

But I sure like Strategic for Warlord.

pinecone77 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
If I have a Leviathan primary, and a formation. Does that formation count as being from the Leviathan detachment?

If not, and I select my warlord from the formation, does it get to choose where it takes it warlord trait from?

No, the formation will not have any of the special rules and Command Benefits of the Leviathan detachment, though it can still benefit from Warlord traits and army buffs if it was a Battle Brothers ally (like Tyranids + Tyranids).

For the formation, you pick the Warlord trait from the BRB. You cannot pick it from a Detachment that it isn't a part of. So for example, Leviathan + Skyblight. The Flyrant in the Skyblight formation cannot pick a Leviathan Warlord trait. It can only pick from the traits from the BRB.

Well it can pick from the Tyranid codex or Leviathan book as it has the Tyranids Faction, and they give you permission to do that. What I'm more interested in hearing is that if my Skytyrant is my warlord I can roll strategic. Is it worth rolling on without the re-roll? I think yes.

I sure think so...but aren't you Battle Forged? Isn't that what gives the re-roll? or does the Leviathan trump that? I guess I need to take a look when I get home...

But I sure like Strategic for Warlord.

I'm battle forged but I'm not sure if the formation warlord would gain ideal mission commander?

Hey guys, I figured I would pop back in so you would not think I've gone off and died somewhere. Life's been a bit hard recently with balancing between the new college semester, work, painting up the swarm, planning out a board, and coming to grips with rapidly becoming an uncle. Anyhow, I have been doing a bit of trial and error with some mock games. My local meta is a bit odd, but we tend to go for a decent bit of cover or simply going after a full urban environment. Anyhow, I decided to see if I could come up with some modified Lictor Shame/Warrior Brood tactics for dealing with armies in heavily cover driven games.

I'll keep you guys posted on what I can come up with. I hope for a good final resolution.

Initial list building has consisted of the following;

HQ:
Deathleaper
Tyranid Prime

Elites:
Lictors

Troops:
Tyranid Warriors x4 or 5 (Depends on mood. Smaller units are easier to move and hide, while the larger ones are giving me better weight of fire to quickly weakening enemy units and HQs for mop up.)

Fast Attack:
Shrikes x3 or 4 w/ CC orientation (Rending Claws seem the most applicable, but LW/BS combo has been excellent. Will probably begin experimenting with intermixed units soon.)

Heavy Support:
N/A (Still working on it. Ideas?)

Eldercaveman wrote:

I'm battle forged but I'm not sure if the formation warlord would gain ideal mission commander?

No, because the ideal mission commander is a benefit bestowed by the Combined Arms Detachment, not by virtue of being battle-forged.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

Heavy Support:
N/A (Still working on it. Ideas?)

Maybe Sporocysts? Spore Mines by their very nature ignore cover, the model itself is fairly cheap on points, and if nothing else it goes with the theme of mass-infiltrators.

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In other news, my brother and I won the team tournament last Saturday! The tournament followed the BAO missions and scoring system and we ended with 26 out of 30 possible points (2nd place had 18 out of 30). I ended up using the Skyblight as I had the models available and it worked wonderfully with my brother's tank spam (3 Wave Serpents and 2 Falcons). Simply put, everyone was so scared by the flying monsters and Gargoyles they ignored the Eldar and allowed the tanks to systematically wipe out all threats to them. The Tyrant also got really lucky on his Fighter Ace rolls and ended up with Sudden Escape each game, which made him more or less immune to the enemy guns. Synapse coverage oddly proved to be of little trouble. The Gargoyles were only called upon to take an IB test twice and failed only once (going to ground, so when the Tyrant came back on they resumed normal behavior) and the other three monsters passed each time.

The best match was definitely our second one, against 5th editon 'crons with the new Blood Angels. The Hive Crone went on an absolute rampage, killing a Catacomb Command Barge (it didn't get back up) and a Storm Raven (and its 10-Sterngaurd cargo) with its vector strikes before finally shooting down a damaged Nightscythe with a snap-fired Tentaclid (it had landed to score an objective). All together it killed around 800 points by itself.

Ok, guys, need you help.

I'm trying to finalize what army I should take to the Las Vegas Open (LVO) GT, probably one of the most competitive tournaments in the US just due to its sheer size (280 players). Check out my LVO thread and let me know (with your votes) if you want to see Tyranids win a major GT.


1850 Jy2's Las Vegas Open Experience - Need Help to Pick My Army!!!

 jy2 wrote:
Ok, guys, need you help.

I'm trying to finalize what army I should take to the Las Vegas Open (LVO) GT, probably one of the most competitive tournaments in the US just due to its sheer size (280 players). Check out my LVO thread and let me know (with your votes) if you want to see Tyranids win a major GT.


1850 Jy2's Las Vegas Open Experience - Need Help to Pick My Army!!!

Got to be Pentyrant's! Time to put the fear of the Hive Mind into people once and for all!

I'd say the Pentyrants. Would be good to get a feel for how unstoppably strong the list actually is in the highest levels of play (and then never bring it again).

 jy2 wrote:
For the formation, you pick the Warlord trait from the BRB. You cannot pick it from a Detachment that it isn't a part of. So for example, Leviathan + Skyblight. The Flyrant in the Skyblight formation cannot pick a Leviathan Warlord trait. It can only pick from the traits from the BRB.

Are you sure? I'm looking at the Warlord Traits table in the Leviathan book and it says a Tyranid Warlord maychoose to roll on the table, right, instead of the BRB or Codex. Am I missing something here?

Also I voted Tyranids but not Pentyrant, I personally think Skyblight would be better due to respawn OS troops. Pentyrant is still strong, so I wouldn't fault you for choosing it.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
For the formation, you pick the Warlord trait from the BRB. You cannot pick it from a Detachment that it isn't a part of. So for example, Leviathan + Skyblight. The Flyrant in the Skyblight formation cannot pick a Leviathan Warlord trait. It can only pick from the traits from the BRB.

Are you sure? I'm looking at the Warlord Traits table in the Leviathan book and it says a Tyranid Warlord maychoose to roll on the table, right, instead of the BRB or Codex. Am I missing something here?

Also I voted Tyranids but not Pentyrant, I personally think Skyblight would be better due to respawn OS troops. Pentyrant is still strong, so I wouldn't fault you for choosing it.

Let me double-check my books when I get off of work.

 Strat_N8 wrote:
Maybe Sporocysts? Spore Mines by their very nature ignore cover, the model itself is fairly cheap on points, and if nothing else it goes with the theme of mass-infiltrators.

You know what.. I might just do that. It gives me several moderately sturdy platforms for even more guns, allowing me to focus down some armor with a good chance to kill something. I'll have to proxy one for the next mock up. Thanks for the suggestion Strat.

Hopefully people vote right, and you end up bringing Tyranids jy2.

 Strat_N8 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

I'm battle forged but I'm not sure if the formation warlord would gain ideal mission commander?

No, because the ideal mission commander is a benefit bestowed by the Combined Arms Detachment, not by virtue of being battle-forged.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

Heavy Support:
N/A (Still working on it. Ideas?)

Maybe Sporocysts? Spore Mines by their very nature ignore cover, the model itself is fairly cheap on points, and if nothing else it goes with the theme of mass-infiltrators.

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In other news, my brother and I won the team tournament last Saturday! The tournament followed the BAO missions and scoring system and we ended with 26 out of 30 possible points (2nd place had 18 out of 30). I ended up using the Skyblight as I had the models available and it worked wonderfully with my brother's tank spam (3 Wave Serpents and 2 Falcons). Simply put, everyone was so scared by the flying monsters and Gargoyles they ignored the Eldar and allowed the tanks to systematically wipe out all threats to them. The Tyrant also got really lucky on his Fighter Ace rolls and ended up with Sudden Escape each game, which made him more or less immune to the enemy guns. Synapse coverage oddly proved to be of little trouble. The Gargoyles were only called upon to take an IB test twice and failed only once (going to ground, so when the Tyrant came back on they resumed normal behavior) and the other three monsters passed each time.

The best match was definitely our second one, against 5th editon 'crons with the new Blood Angels. The Hive Crone went on an absolute rampage, killing a Catacomb Command Barge (it didn't get back up) and a Storm Raven (and its 10-Sterngaurd cargo) with its vector strikes before finally shooting down a damaged Nightscythe with a snap-fired Tentaclid (it had landed to score an objective). All together it killed around 800 points by itself.

Ah, Leviathan trumps...too bad. But even with a single roll, I think I would go Strategic.


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 Frozocrone wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
For the formation, you pick the Warlord trait from the BRB. You cannot pick it from a Detachment that it isn't a part of. So for example, Leviathan + Skyblight. The Flyrant in the Skyblight formation cannot pick a Leviathan Warlord trait. It can only pick from the traits from the BRB.

Are you sure? I'm looking at the Warlord Traits table in the Leviathan book and it says a Tyranid Warlord maychoose to roll on the table, right, instead of the BRB or Codex. Am I missing something here?

Also I voted Tyranids but not Pentyrant, I personally think Skyblight would be better due to respawn OS troops. Pentyrant is still strong, so I wouldn't fault you for choosing it.

In classic "Who needs FAQs" style, there seems to be multiple possible answers depending on the source... I Think a Leviathan, can roll on book, or Leviathan. And use Codex as well, though, why would you? I thought you could re-roll, but apparently that is base CAD only...

+++ Flyrants and Destroyers (1850pts) +++

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Hive Fleet Detachement) ++

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

+ Troops +

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

+ Elites +

Malanthrope Brood [Malanthrope]

++ Necrons: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ Formation +

Destroyer Cult
····Destroyer Lord [Staff of Light]
····Destroyers [6x Destroyer]
····Destroyers [5x Destroyer, Heavy Destroyer]
····Destroyers [5x Destroyer, Heavy Destroyer]
····Heavy Destroyers [3x Heavy Destroyer]

Created with BattleScribe

Played Ad Lance coupled with Tau tonight.

The Tau part was 2 Skyrays, a Skyfire burstide, and and some suites with missile pods.

I was running my LVO list. 3 Flyrants, Barbed Heirodule.

He seized on me and toasted one flyrant on the ground, and then turn 2, he killed a 2nd one, and I perils casting Warp Lance and was sucked into the warp with my warlord who hadn't yet taken a wound. I did manage to kill 2 of the Knights, but the third one charged Barbie on turn 3 (Boxcars!), and killed it on turn 4 for a complete tabling. Quite a frustrating game. Skyrays are so absurd. I hate Tau.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Hey guys, I figured I would pop back in so you would not think I've gone off and died somewhere. Life's been a bit hard recently with balancing between the new college semester, work, painting up the swarm, planning out a board, and coming to grips with rapidly becoming an uncle. Anyhow, I have been doing a bit of trial and error with some mock games. My local meta is a bit odd, but we tend to go for a decent bit of cover or simply going after a full urban environment. Anyhow, I decided to see if I could come up with some modified Lictor Shame/Warrior Brood tactics for dealing with armies in heavily cover driven games.

I'll keep you guys posted on what I can come up with. I hope for a good final resolution.

Initial list building has consisted of the following;

HQ:
Deathleaper
Tyranid Prime

Elites:
Lictors

Troops:
Tyranid Warriors x4 or 5 (Depends on mood. Smaller units are easier to move and hide, while the larger ones are giving me better weight of fire to quickly weakening enemy units and HQs for mop up.)

Fast Attack:
Shrikes x3 or 4 w/ CC orientation (Rending Claws seem the most applicable, but LW/BS combo has been excellent. Will probably begin experimenting with intermixed units soon.)

Heavy Support:
N/A (Still working on it. Ideas?)

Seems like mobility will be an issue with your list. Gosh, I hope you don't have to go up against mechdar or Tau. It certainly wouldn't go well for you. But if you play in a less competitive meta, then I think you should have fun with it.

For you Heavy Support, I'm not sure how many points you've got left, but go with either a mawloc or a dakkafex in tyrannocyte.

 Strat_N8 wrote:
In other news, my brother and I won the team tournament last Saturday! The tournament followed the BAO missions and scoring system and we ended with 26 out of 30 possible points (2nd place had 18 out of 30). I ended up using the Skyblight as I had the models available and it worked wonderfully with my brother's tank spam (3 Wave Serpents and 2 Falcons). Simply put, everyone was so scared by the flying monsters and Gargoyles they ignored the Eldar and allowed the tanks to systematically wipe out all threats to them. The Tyrant also got really lucky on his Fighter Ace rolls and ended up with Sudden Escape each game, which made him more or less immune to the enemy guns. Synapse coverage oddly proved to be of little trouble. The Gargoyles were only called upon to take an IB test twice and failed only once (going to ground, so when the Tyrant came back on they resumed normal behavior) and the other three monsters passed each time.

The best match was definitely our second one, against 5th editon 'crons with the new Blood Angels. The Hive Crone went on an absolute rampage, killing a Catacomb Command Barge (it didn't get back up) and a Storm Raven (and its 10-Sterngaurd cargo) with its vector strikes before finally shooting down a damaged Nightscythe with a snap-fired Tentaclid (it had landed to score an objective). All together it killed around 800 points by itself.

Awesome! Congrats. Eldar is still so strong. Combine it with Skyblight and it is a big problem for a lot of players.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Hopefully people vote right, and you end up bringing Tyranids jy2.

There's a good chance for that, considering 4 out of my 8 lists include Tyranids.

But just vote on #3 or #4 and it will be pure Tyranids that you will see at the LVO.

 Tyran wrote:
+++ Flyrants and Destroyers (1850pts) +++

Spoiler:

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Hive Fleet Detachement) ++

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

+ Troops +

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

+ Elites +

Malanthrope Brood [Malanthrope]

++ Necrons: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ Formation +

Destroyer Cult
····Destroyer Lord [Staff of Light]
····Destroyers [6x Destroyer]
····Destroyers [5x Destroyer, Heavy Destroyer]
····Destroyers [5x Destroyer, Heavy Destroyer]
····Heavy Destroyers [3x Heavy Destroyer]

Created with BattleScribe

Sorry, but your list is not legal. The Destroyer Cult formation is very specific. You can only take 3 units of 3 destroyers and 1 unit of Heavy destroyers. No more, no less.

tag8833 wrote:
Played Ad Lance coupled with Tau tonight.

The Tau part was 2 Skyrays, a Skyfire burstide, and and some suites with missile pods.

I was running my LVO list. 3 Flyrants, Barbed Heirodule.

He seized on me and toasted one flyrant on the ground, and then turn 2, he killed a 2nd one, and I perils casting Warp Lance and was sucked into the warp with my warlord who hadn't yet taken a wound. I did manage to kill 2 of the Knights, but the third one charged Barbie on turn 3 (Boxcars!), and killed it on turn 4 for a complete tabling. Quite a frustrating game. Skyrays are so absurd. I hate Tau.

I feel for you. As a Tyranid player, I still f*cking hate Tau. They are still one of our worst matchups. I think I can consistently beat them with my Pentyrant list, but spamming skyrays will just make it much, much tougher for us Tyranid players.

 jy2 wrote:
I feel for you. As a Tyranid player, I still f*cking hate Tau. They are still one of our worst matchups. I think I can consistently beat them with my Pentyrant list, but spamming skyrays will just make it much, much tougher for us Tyranid players.

I wouldn't be so confident, because it depends on the Tau list. Some of them will blow 5 Tyrants off the table. You lose 1 Tyrant per Skyray, and then Buffmander can usually drop one tyrant a turn. A couple Skyfire burstides and you are lucky if you don't get tabled. You might have enough firepower to kill 1 Riptide or 1 Skyray, or Buffmander, but usually there is no way you can get 2 of them because they will have you neutered by turn 2. A Barbed Heirodule is a better matchup against such a list because it is mainly worried about buffmander, and can keep skyrays jinking and is a major threat to Riptides which Tyrants are not.

The reason this particular list was a problem for me was that he Siezed (On a 4+ because of LOW and his Warlord Trait), and the imperial knights kept Barbie from being able to advance upfield. And My Warlord Killed himself with perils. There was a chance I could have deployed my Tyrants real, real deep in my backfield, and flown them off on turn 1, but that would have probably given the Knights a turn 2 charge on Barbie.

So im playing in an escalation league at my store. Because I enjoy a good challenge, im going to try to make Flyrantless nids work!!!!

You have to make a 1k list then build off that.

Week 1 is kps so im trying the following

prime with norm queen
3 venonthropes
30 guants
25 guants
3 spore mines
3 spore mines
3 malwocs

The plan is just to start the mines on the board hiding then have the army come in as late as possible, have the molwocs kill maybe 1 unit then win 1-0 hahaah

the goal is to end up with a bunch of lictors and 6 malwocs at 2k, the question is...can they work?! I think in the confines of rulebook missions, 2 source limit and fw. they might be able to work.

 krootman. wrote:
So im playing in an escalation league at my store. Because I enjoy a good challenge, im going to try to make Flyrantless nids work!!!!

You have to make a 1k list then build off that.

Week 1 is kps so im trying the following

prime with norm queen
30 guants
25 guants
3 spore mines
3 spore mines
3 malwocs

The plan is just to start the mines on the board hiding then have the army come in as late as possible, have the molwocs kill maybe 1 unit then win 1-0 hahaah

the goal is to end up with a bunch of lictors and 6 malwocs at 2k, the question is...can they work?! I think in the confines of rulebook missions, 2 source limit and fw. they might be able to work.

Would Flyrant-less also mean Tyrant-less? If my math is right, you have enough points left to turn the Prime into a Hive Tyrant with a full squad of Tyrant Guard and still have 15 points left to spend on other upgrades.

Regardless, if the goal is to go with mass Lictors and Mawlocs, you might find Deathleaper a better HQ option than the Prime. Synapse coverage could be handled by either dropping the spore mines for a troop Tervigon (you have exactly enough left-over points to do this as the list sits now) or perhaps via some Zoanthropes (can brood them up for kill point denial, then add Tyrannocytes later on to use them for popping vehicles). I wouldn't bother hiding in reserve to try to avoid kill points, as is you only have 6 possible KP and most of them are going to be difficult to remove in one go at 1000.

 jy2 wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
+++ Flyrants and Destroyers (1850pts) +++

Spoiler:

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Hive Fleet Detachement) ++

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

+ Troops +

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

+ Elites +

Malanthrope Brood [Malanthrope]

++ Necrons: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ Formation +

Destroyer Cult
····Destroyer Lord [Staff of Light]
····Destroyers [6x Destroyer]
····Destroyers [5x Destroyer, Heavy Destroyer]
····Destroyers [5x Destroyer, Heavy Destroyer]
····Heavy Destroyers [3x Heavy Destroyer]

Created with BattleScribe

Sorry, but your list is not legal. The Destroyer Cult formation is very specific. You can only take 3 units of 3 destroyers and 1 unit of Heavy destroyers. No more, no less.

I'm looking at the datasheet, it says that they must be at least 3 models, not that they must be only 3 models.

 Strat_N8 wrote:

 krootman. wrote:
So im playing in an escalation league at my store. Because I enjoy a good challenge, im going to try to make Flyrantless nids work!!!!

You have to make a 1k list then build off that.

Week 1 is kps so im trying the following

prime with norm queen
30 guants
25 guants
3 spore mines
3 spore mines
3 malwocs

The plan is just to start the mines on the board hiding then have the army come in as late as possible, have the molwocs kill maybe 1 unit then win 1-0 hahaah

the goal is to end up with a bunch of lictors and 6 malwocs at 2k, the question is...can they work?! I think in the confines of rulebook missions, 2 source limit and fw. they might be able to work.

Would Flyrant-less also mean Tyrant-less? If my math is right, you have enough points left to turn the Prime into a Hive Tyrant with a full squad of Tyrant Guard and still have 15 points left to spend on other upgrades.

Regardless, if the goal is to go with mass Lictors and Mawlocs, you might find Deathleaper a better HQ option than the Prime. Synapse coverage could be handled by either dropping the spore mines for a troop Tervigon (you have exactly enough left-over points to do this as the list sits now) or perhaps via some Zoanthropes (can brood them up for kill point denial, then add Tyrannocytes later on to use them for popping vehicles). I wouldn't bother hiding in reserve to try to avoid kill points, as is you only have 6 possible KP and most of them are going to be difficult to remove in one go at 1000.

I also forgot 3 venomthropes in the list lol.
Solid ideas, so actually you are stuck with the 1k list for the entire league. (which is why im at 970, I shaved points for when I need them latter) I have an eventual 2k list with 6 molwacs, and 6 lictors is the current idea, but im open to changing it. No fw is allowed, and its 2 source.

I think you are right about not holding anything off the board. I tried it earlier this week and it didnt work as intended. Terrain is player placed like adepticon so it should not be difficult for me to have cover in my deployment zone, and in kps my army is very difficult to get them. The plan is to not be to aggressive with the malwocs and try to win 2-1 or 1-0 in the kp dpt. Flyrant doesn't mean tyrantless, but unless you are taking a swarmlord..what is the point of a flyrant and the guard? (they seem pretty expensive, for not much of a return). Do you have any experience with the unit?

I just took the prime because its hard to get to and the guants seemed like solid, and very annoying objective holders to remove.

So I figured you guys would appreciate this. I may be able to play this on Friday if I can get one model finished (or heck, I could just proxy it). In any case, I present to you, my version of NecroNids:

Leviathan Detachment:

Flyrant w/the works - 240
Flyrant w/the works - 240
Flyrant w/the works - 240

Mucolid - 15
Mucolid - 15
Mucolid - 15

Necron CAD:

Bargelord - 135

10 Warriors w/Ghost Ark - 235
10 Warriors w/Ghost Ark - 235

6 Wraiths - 240
6 Wraiths - 240

1850 on the nose. Considering dropping a wraith to grab whip coils for its friends and some goodies for the bargelord. Maybe even 2 wraiths to also give my warlord Flyrant fighter ace. The best part is that the cron troops are rock solid obsec, and the worst part is that the wraiths are just regular wraiths :( but somehow I think it'll be ok

So questions in regards to Nids, Fortifications, and come the apocalypse allies. Say you took a Tau CAD that included a Bastion and then a leviathan detachment that included Flyrants and a Malanthrope.

During deployment, would you be able to deploy the Malanthrope inside the Bastion? Or would the tyranid units need to be deployed at least 12" away from the bastion?

 wyomingfox wrote:
So questions in regards to Nids, Fortifications, and come the apocalypse allies. Say you took a Tau CAD that included a Bastion and then a leviathan detachment that included Flyrants and a Malanthrope.

During deployment, would you be able to deploy the Malanthrope inside the Bastion? Or would the tyranid units need to be deployed at least 12" away from the bastion?

it depends which source the bastion was bought from.

 krootman. wrote:

I also forgot 3 venomthropes in the list lol.

Ah ok, that makes much more sense.

 krootman. wrote:

Solid ideas, so actually you are stuck with the 1k list for the entire league. (which is why im at 970, I shaved points for when I need them latter) I have an eventual 2k list with 6 molwacs, and 6 lictors is the current idea, but im open to changing it. No fw is allowed, and its 2 source.

Hmm, are you allowed to tweak wargear at all or is it locked in?

 krootman. wrote:
I just took the prime because its hard to get to and the guants seemed like solid, and very annoying objective holders to remove.

I suppose my main concern really is just that he doesn't offer much utility beyond synapse coverage, which will presumably grow less important as the list is expanded (what with Lictors being LD10 and Mawlocs being more or less unaffected by IB). Perhaps consider swapping the Norn Crown for the Miasma Cannon and a pair of boneswords? Same cost, but it makes the Prime a bit more threatening.

 krootman. wrote:

Flyrant doesn't mean tyrantless, but unless you are taking a swarmlord..what is the point of a Tyrant and the guard? (they seem pretty expensive, for not much of a return). Do you have any experience with the unit?

Admittedly, the suggestion of a Tyrant was a bit knee-jerk on my part. I just saw the Prime as being the same cost as a stock Tyrant and the extra points left over as enough for squad of Guard. I do use walking Tyrants on occation, generally used in lists with a more gun-line slant where they serve as a good central synapse anchor and counter-assault unit. (I actually have one battle report involving my "standard" walking Tyrant load-out if you should like to read it: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/605849.page).


Anyway, what do you think about something like this?

Strat_N8 wrote:Hmm, are you allowed to tweak wargear at all or is it locked in?

The entire 1k list is locked in for the rest of the league, wargear and all.

Strat_N8 wrote:I suppose my main concern really is just that he doesn't offer much utility beyond synapse coverage, which will presumably grow less important as the list is expanded (what with Lictors being LD10 and Mawlocs being more or less unaffected by IB). Perhaps consider swapping the Norn Crown for the Miasma Cannon and a pair of boneswords? Same cost, but it makes the Prime a bit more threatening.

Yea you are right, all it does is keep my guants from breaking as they sit there and hold objectives, and not die to kps. I feel like they will be quite the tarpit, and the prime since hes not an mc will be quite difficult to pick off and remove. He is also the biggest pain in the ass warlord I could think of.

Strat_N8 wrote:Anyway, what do you think about something like this?

Spoiler:

HQ: 1x Tyranid Prime with Boneswords, Miasma Cannon

ELITE: 1x Venomthrope
ELITE: 1x Venomthrope

TROOPS: 30x Termagants
TROOPS: 1x Tervigon with Electroshock Grubs

HEAVY: 1x Mawloc
HEAVY: 1x Mawloc
HEAVY: 1x Mawloc

Total: 1000 points

I like that list, I only kept the venomthropes in a squad because I will need the elite slots for the lictors latter on. I may eventually add a terv when kps no longer matter after the first week, because well obsec and it can make another unit or 2 of guants which may be useful. A terv with a 2+ cover save is probably a big pain in the ass to kill too.

Whats the norm for the standard loadout for a Harpy and Hive Crone for the Skyblight formation? Not sure whats optimal to take with them...

 syypher wrote:
Whats the norm for the standard loadout for a Harpy and Hive Crone for the Skyblight formation? Not sure whats optimal to take with them...

I prefer Stinger Salvo on the Crone, Cluster Spines and Strangelthorns on the harpies. No other biomorphs.

Thanks Sinful!

Another conundrum I'm running across...

I understand the use for Bastions and why it's very important to keep the Malanthrope protected and also extend his cover save bonuses to the Hive Tyrants turn 1 to keep them safe before they can lift off...

However in a 2 source tournament (trying out Leviathan + Skyblight) it seems like I can't fit in a fortification since Leviathan FoC doesn't have it.

List so far:
Leviathan
3 Flyrant
Malanthrope
3 Mucolid

Skyblight
1 Flyrant
1 Crone
2 Harpy
3 Gargoyles

That's 115 points left. I don't want all my Flyrants getting taken out turn 1. What do you guys think? Am I overthinking it without the Bastion? Is the Bastion/Fortifications pretty much mandatory for competitive lists? I know it's because of my lack of experience... but how do you go about protecting your Tyrants t1 before you lift off without the "security blanket" of a bastion or void shields?

 krootman. wrote:

I like that list, I only kept the venomthropes in a squad because I will need the elite slots for the lictors latter on. I may eventually add a terv when kps no longer matter after the first week, because well obsec and it can make another unit or 2 of guants which may be useful. A terv with a 2+ cover save is probably a big pain in the ass to kill too.

You could use the Deathleaper Assassin Brood formation to unlock some of the Lictors (gives a nice Ld penalty bubble too). Would use the second source though...

 syypher wrote:
Whats the norm for the standard loadout for a Harpy and Hive Crone for the Skyblight formation? Not sure whats optimal to take with them...

Standard load-out is probably just to keep them stock. The Hive Crone doesn't really need any upgrades to do its job and the Harpies are mainly for melee support (meaning jinking into assault or pinning). That said, I am somewhat partial to Venom Cannons on the Harpies as they are handy to have against other xenos and can at least scratch vehicles if needed.