The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)

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**jy2**

The key here if you're running a ground-based Tyranid force is that you NEED a unit such as venomthropes or a malanthrope.

**Alaxandir**

I really appreciate all your help guys. I can't use fw till week 5… so no malanthrope. The issue I had with my venoms last few games is there are a lot of ignore cover weapons in our tournament. AM player w ignore cover orders just destroys me. On guy plays BA with crap tons of flamers and pods, another guy plays salamanders with multiple razorbacks..
Our meta is
3 nids players
2 eldar
1 csm
1 daemons
5 SM (BA, Salamanders, and a DA… and others idk)
1 GK
1 Skitari/CM
And 1 AM.

I just have had my thropes get flamed or ignore covered like first turn every time. Should I be deploying them dead center of the army?

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Sinful Hero wrote:
Alaxandir wrote:
Do you guys have some general tactica for playing nids? I've watched tons of videos and read a lot of forums.. I just seem to lose almost all of my games.

In our local tourney I'm 1W 6L; some of you here may remeber I posted the rules on (pg 362 i believe)..

Anyway we're very restricted and I'm bringing what you guys had suggested I just think I'm playing wrong.. I played against IG today (AM.. whatever) and he had mostly infantry with two heavy weapon teams and a trio of chimeras.
I brought

Spoiler:

1000 Pts - Codex: Tyranids Roster

1 Lictor Brood

3 Pyrovore Brood

3 Ripper Swarm Brood - Deep Strike

30 Termagant Brood

2 Tervigon - Cluster Spines; Electroshock Grubs

1 Tyranid Prime - Bone Sword

1 Tyrannocyte - Barbed Stranglers

Neither of us saw eachothers lists before we met for the game, just got lucky with the pyrovores I guess. But my goal was to hide my stuff until my pod came in, he deployed in one corner and i deployed out of LOS in the other.
I got annihilated by his veterans with plasma and his autocannons/missiles.. and he is able to give his units Ignore Cover.. How can I play to deal with this?

The missions we rolled was Purge the alien, which really sucked for my list.. My pyrovore pod came in and really wrecked one of his units, and the pod did okay damage, but I lost with 1 kill point to his 7. I tried to walk the prime up the board with the gants and two tervigons, but he just castled up and gunned me down before I get within 12".

For the record, you need a group of 30 Termagants for each Tervigon to field it as a troop choice. You're up to 1 HQ and 4 MCs correct? Or have they went up again?
Perhaps something like-
HQ- Hive Tyrant(preferably with a long ranged weapon like a Stranglethorn to reach out and touch someone)
1 Tyrant Guard
30 Gants
Tervigon(perhaps equip one with a miasma cannon to deal with far range threats, or double up on templates to take on infantry that gets too close depending on your points)
30 Gants
Tervigon
Then pad out with Hive Guard/whatever.

(sorry double post. I'm on my phone)
There are no restrictions on how many MC I get now, flyers allowed. But I only can have 2HQ and 6 Troops 3 Elite

**Nomeny**

Deploy them out of line of sight. Use large models like Sporocysts and Tervigons to block line of sight.

**Sinful Hero**

Alaxandir wrote:
I really appreciate all your help guys. I can't use fw till week 5… so no malanthrope. The issue I had with my venoms last few games is there are a lot of ignore cover weapons in our tournament. AM player w ignore cover orders just destroys me. On guy plays BA with crap tons of flamers and pods, another guy plays salamanders with multiple razorbacks..

Spoiler:

Our meta is
3 nids players
2 eldar
1 csm
1 daemons
5 SM (BA, Salamanders, and a DA… and others idk)
1 GK
1 Skitari/CM
And 1 AM.

I just have had my thropes get flamed or ignore covered like first turn every time. Should I be deploying them dead center of the army?

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Sinful Hero wrote:
Alaxandir wrote:
Do you guys have some general tactica for playing nids? I've watched tons of videos and read a lot of forums.. I just seem to lose almost all of my games.

In our local tourney I'm 1W 6L; some of you here may remeber I posted the rules on (pg 362 i believe)..

Anyway we're very restricted and I'm bringing what you guys had suggested I just think I'm playing wrong.. I played against IG today (AM.. whatever) and he had mostly infantry with two heavy weapon teams and a trio of chimeras.
I brought

Spoiler:

1000 Pts - Codex: Tyranids Roster

1 Lictor Brood

3 Pyrovore Brood

3 Ripper Swarm Brood - Deep Strike

30 Termagant Brood

2 Tervigon - Cluster Spines; Electroshock Grubs

1 Tyranid Prime - Bone Sword

1 Tyrannocyte - Barbed Stranglers

Neither of us saw eachothers lists before we met for the game, just got lucky with the pyrovores I guess. But my goal was to hide my stuff until my pod came in, he deployed in one corner and i deployed out of LOS in the other.
I got annihilated by his veterans with plasma and his autocannons/missiles.. and he is able to give his units Ignore Cover.. How can I play to deal with this?

The missions we rolled was Purge the alien, which really sucked for my list.. My pyrovore pod came in and really wrecked one of his units, and the pod did okay damage, but I lost with 1 kill point to his 7. I tried to walk the prime up the board with the gants and two tervigons, but he just castled up and gunned me down before I get within 12".

For the record, you need a group of 30 Termagants for each Tervigon to field it as a troop choice. You're up to 1 HQ and 4 MCs correct? Or have they went up again?
Perhaps something like-
HQ- Hive Tyrant(preferably with a long ranged weapon like a Stranglethorn to reach out and touch someone)
1 Tyrant Guard
30 Gants
Tervigon(perhaps equip one with a miasma cannon to deal with far range threats, or double up on templates to take on infantry that gets too close depending on your points)
30 Gants
Tervigon
Then pad out with Hive Guard/whatever.

(sorry double post. I'm on my phone)
There are no restrictions on how many MC I get now, flyers allowed. But I only can have 2HQ and 6 Troops 3 Elite

Then don't bother with the tyrant guard, and put wings on that Tyrant! He'll definitely be the heavy hitter of your list after that(Dual Devourers x2 and Electroshock Grubs), but he'll also likely draw lots of fire.

**Benlisted**

If it's things like flamers and templates killing the thropes, then deploy him in the middle of a big brood of gaunts/terrain that will block drop pods so they can't get close enough to him to use them. There's a bit of an art to using thropes, but you do want to basically hide them as best you can.

**Frozocrone**

So I was looking on the Forge World website regarding the open day and aside from getting down about no new Ork despite being passed in the rerelease of IA, I noticed that Anphelion Project was no longer for sale.

Out of stock or new rules?

**gameandwatch**

Frozocrone wrote:
So I was looking on the Forge World website regarding the open day and aside from getting down about no new Ork despite being passed in the rerelease of IA, I noticed that Anphelion Project was no longer for sale.

Out of stock or new rules?

Man I really hope it is new rules...like dropping their gargs by 200 pts, giving them D in some regard haha, maybe even I 4!!!!

**Tyran**

200 pts? The hierophant needs to drop like 500 pts.

**gameandwatch**

Tyran wrote:
200 pts? The hierophant needs to drop like 500 pts.

Oh, I was more referring to just the dules

**Tyran**

gameandwatch wrote:
Tyran wrote:
200 pts? The hierophant needs to drop like 500 pts.

Oh, I was more referring to just the dules

Just reduce everything by half.

**luke1705**

A 500 point hierophant would basically be right in line with the Tau'nar. Hierodules should probably be in the neighborhood of 350 for the scythed and 400 for the barbed.

**jy2**

I would like to see Scythed at 300, Barbie at 350 and the Hierophant at 600 if you use the WK and the Tau'nar as baseline comparisons. Harridan should be around 500 IMO.

**Bonzai**

I doubt that we would be getting a new Imperial Armor so soon. They updated it not that long ago. I agree though, our gargantuans need a price reduction though. Hierodules should be priced around Wraith Knight levels.

**Alaxandir**

So week 3… flyers are in. I played two games yesterday with
2 flyrants dakka
1 tervigon Troops
30 gants 10dev
3 hiveguard stock gun
3 zoans
2 vemonthrope

I pulverized my opponents, it wasn't pretty.
I won both games on turn 3. My opponents conceded.

One guy had a land raider, I rolled the warlord trait which gives infiltrate, I used it on my zoans to put them in 18" of the LR and out of Los. Knocked two hull points off it turn one, turn two it was dead.
Nasty games. I almost felt like I cheesed.. But tbf the guy with LR also had skyfire launches on two tav squads and a .. Stormtalon? Whatever that new flyer is with twin linked assault cannons and missiles.. It felt good to win. But that was viscious.

I don't wanna tone it down though. I feel like it was a pretty fair list.

**jy2**

Flyrants are what makes Tyranids competitive. Playing without then is like playing with an intentional handicap. They are definitely the best unit in the current codex and the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. You see a huge difference in performance when running then as opposed to not running them.

**Zach**

Your list was incredibly reasonable and tame, nothing to feel cheese about at all.

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Playing a RTT next weekend. Basically the first time Ive played since November.

Using 2 CAD and Neuralnode formation,

4x Flyrants, 5 Mucolids, Malanthrope, Neuralnode.

I havent even played with it yet (hopefully tomorrow) but it sounds fun and at least Ill have a ton of warp dice.

**Amishprn86**

Ok, need some help, Im thinking of running Nids+GSC for a escalation League.

Its is 800pts (4-5games) then 1440 pts (4-5 games) have to keep the 800pts for the escalation games, and you can upgrade to more costly upgrades, but never dowgrade.

The problem is I want to run GSC at 1400pts, them being 600pts I have 800pts of Nids.

Problem 2, at 800pts its 1 CAD or Core Formation with 0 Fliers.

Any ideas what to bring in the 800pts list? I can bring 2 Tyrants and not put wings on them to play 60pts down for now.

Im having a hard time thinking what to bring haha.

**Sinful Hero**

What about Tyrants/Dakkafexes, and a couple pods? Allows you to still threaten the board without wings.

**Spyro_Killer**

i'm looking to build a strong 1000 point list, what sort of units should I be taking?

**Sinful Hero**

"2-3 Flyrants, minimum troops, and salt to taste" is the usual line.

**Spyro_Killer**

Is the swarmlord no use?

**Sinful Hero**

Spyro_Killer wrote:
Is the swarmlord no use?

Usually not in comparison to Flyrants. There are quite a few unit reviews in the first post by Tyranid players, they can give you some good perspective on the power levels of many units.

**barnowl**

Spyro_Killer wrote:
Is the swarmlord no use?

Pros: 18 Synapse range, looks cool
Cons: Slow, bad saves, inv only in melee and that is only 4++, dies to krak missiles, no range, way to expensive

Compare to the short on the dakka Flyrant:
Pros: best guns in the codex, fast, Hard to Hit, looks cool, puts synapse where it is needed

Cons: no inv, If not swooping still dies to krak missiles

And cheaper than a swarmlord.

**Spyro_Killer**

Sinful Hero wrote:
Spyro_Killer wrote:
Is the swarmlord no use?

Usually not in comparison to Flyrants. There are quite a few unit reviews in the first post by Tyranid players, they can give you some good perspective on the power levels of many units.

The reason I asked is cause the first post skipped him

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barnowl wrote:
Spyro_Killer wrote:
Is the swarmlord no use?

Pros: 18 Synapse range, looks cool
Cons: Slow, bad saves, inv only in melee and that is only 4++, dies to krak missiles, no range, way to expensive

Compare to the short on the dakka Flyrant:
Pros: best guns in the codex, fast, Hard to Hit, looks cool, puts synapse where it is needed

Cons: no inv, If not swooping still dies to krak missiles

And cheaper than a swarmlord.

Better off with a flyrant or miasma cannon prime then

**Sinful Hero**

Ah, so you're right. That is one of the units that hasn't been added yet.

Until now!

barnowl wrote:
Spyro_Killer wrote:
Is the swarmlord no use?

Pros: 18 Synapse range, looks cool
Cons: Slow, bad saves, inv only in melee and that is only 4++, dies to krak missiles, no range, way to expensive

Compare to the short on the dakka Flyrant:
Pros: best guns in the codex, fast, Hard to Hit, looks cool, puts synapse where it is needed

Cons: no inv, If not swooping still dies to krak missiles

And cheaper than a swarmlord.

Looks great for the first post under Swarmlord! Get on it jy2!

**jy2**

I'll get to the review of Swarmy a little later but first of all, a little good news and a little bad news.

First all, the GW Tyranid FAQ draft is out.

Ok, the good news....

Broodlord can use Psychic Shriek even though he is BS0. As long as the psychic shooting attack does not require you to roll to hit, BS0 models can still use.

Now the bad....

Genestealer cults are only Allies of Convenience to Tyranids. Sorry, but no Invisibility to Tyranid allies.

**TheSnowmanInHell**

Thought it was the cult FAQ not the nid FAQ.

**Frozocrone**

Yes but before Genestealers allied exactly like Tyranids (so Bb with Nids and CtA with everyone else). Now they are just AoC, so no sharing powers.

GW, just give us Biomancy.

**N.I.B.**

So for two months GW led Tyranid players to believe they could BB with Genestealer Cult, as per the wording in the White Dwarf would suggest. People bought the crap (and the models). Now we're suddenly degraded to Allies of Convenience, can't cast Invisibility on Tyranid units (nerf) can't join GSC characters to Tyranid units (big nerf) and GSC can't infiltrate close to Tyranids as they counts as enemy models (HUGE nerf).

If I were trying to intentionally piss off and troll my customers, I could not do a better job than GW does with Tyranid players.

**Frozocrone**

Well, you could be playing Chaos...

"Here is a supplement for you, it will cover all your legions, meanwhile Space Marines get separate super-detachments for each of their Chapters".

On a Tyranid note, I am very happy about not buying this even when they pushed hard for it when I was in store.