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 Eldarain wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
What? No, and hell no. Just because people whine incessantly about one codex means nothing, they whine about every codex. People whined that the new Eldar codex sucked, before they realied it was good. It's never as bad as the initial whining makes it out to be.

Haven't you been proven wrong about the Eldar codex whining? Like..Several times by now?

Several posts have counters to this, despite you repeatedly claiming this with no real info..

While obviously not on the level of the Tyranid release there were some posts from those who were less than thrilled with the book before playing it.

All from this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/463557.page

My initial reaction is that the Council as an individual unit isn't viable at all anymore. The most important thing to note is that Farseers no longer unlock Warlocks, you get a unit of up to 10 Warlocks per detachment that do not take up an HQ slot, but since they now work like Wolf Guard again you will always be stripping out Warlocks to add to Jetbikes and other units and you can't get any more than 10. Essentially you would be crippling your army just to run a single block of Warlocks, which reduces the effectiveness of their powers.

wow those warlock sure do suck now.

So Warlocks kinda suck.

and we still can't stop a Heldrake from eating everything.

2+ ignore glance? It's a +2 to turn the pen to a glance, you don't' ignore it lol. To be honest, the shooting from lascannons weren't really an issue before the dex update. It's mass S6-8 fire that could down a serpent in shooting. the new field rules do little to help that because you're still going to get glanced down if you get swarm fired. The new holofields help a lot with that, but the loss of easy fortune counters that by a LONG shot. Ultimately, as i said, shooting isn't your worry it's loosing your 115+ transport to a basic dude in Melee.

35pt rhino getting blow up as it "does it's job as a transport" = cool, understandable
115pt+ serpent getting blown up as it "does it's job as a transport" = not so much

So Warlocks are utterly useless? How the **** can they muck that up :(

I'm mostly in disbelief that people are complaining about how bad the Wave Serpents are when they're a better MBT than my Hammerheads. The transport capacity is just icing.

To which this is posted...

Er what? A twin linked Bright Lance/Scatter Laser/Starcannon is nowhere near as good as a Railgun or Ion Cannon, honestly the SMS you get as a secondary weapon is on par with the main gun of a Serpent. On top of that you get AV13 front and Markerlight support to ruin people.

Heldrake spam are going to eat this army alive. Which saddens me.

That threads last post was written on 2013/06/03. As far as I know, the 6th edition Eldar codex was released the first week of June. So almost all of those post were writte pre-release and based on rumors.
Not really comparable to this situation, as the Tyranid codex is actually out and people are still complaining (rightfully so)

Also you're bound to find some whiny posts in a 175 page thread. That doesn't show general negative consensus.

Django_Unchained wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Every codex is "bland and disappointing".

I think the daemon book is rich and full of awesome sauce. The Tyranid book is trash. Why? Because there is no Screamerstar instant-win-button.

Fixed that for you...

No one who doesn't complain about wargaming companies and products can call themselves a wargamer.

Let's not get too hot under the color about our toy soldiers. A friend of mine told me on Saturday he gave up on GW when his Orks went to BS 2. And wow the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the last nids dex came out, whew.

We wargamers get territorial about what we know.

 Melissia wrote:
I feel the same way about the endless, ceaseless whining.

I'm still not convinced that the whining ever really stopped, from back in second edition when I picked up my first models. It's just one long blur of whine.

5 posts of whining about whining.

Hypocracy much?

Yeah. Tyranid players are complaining because there's no screamer-star instant win button. That's the reason. - I can't use those emORKticons enough to describe the dross you just wrote Zwei. I mean really, do you practice being so utterly blind to the world around you Zwie, because it's a remarkably impressive skill level you've got in just how unbelievably off-base your posts tend to be. Just look at any - any - of the multiple Tyranid threads and you'll see why people are complaining.

It's got nothing to do with tournaments or needing screamer-stars or anything. It’s got everything to do with things like Tervigons losing most of their special rules, gaining rules that make them worse, and going up in cost. Like Hive Guard losing BS and yet getting more expensive. Like Synapse allowing units to eat themselves (including units of Carnifexes). Like Warriors being unviable (again), Lictors being useless (again), and Genestealers having no way of getting into assault. Like ScyTals being reduced to weapons that do almost literally nothing. Like Primes going up in cost because… umm… well because! Like Bio-Artefacts being some of the most pathetic and lazy examples of quicky rules writing I’ve seen in a GW Codex for years (you going to sit there and say that the Ymgarl Factor is an excellent upgrade?).

Your unbridled and irrational hatred for the tournament crowd, who you all label as WAAC players at every opportunity, has left you utterly ignorant of the real problems that afflict this game and especially things like this new Codex. You think people are just complaining because there isn’t a broken/odd quirk of the rules/unforseen combo death star unit?

You don’t know a damned thing, and it shows.

I think that every 6th edition book is an improvement on the old ones, Tyranids was just a fluke. But then some awesome supplement may come out which makes everyone happy.


But whiners will always whine. If there is too much cheese (Heldrake, Riptide, ScreamerStar) or if there is not enough cheese (Tyranids, Dark Angels, Space Marines).

In some famous quote which I will shamelessly quote.

"You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all of the time." - Bob Marley - Get Up, Stand Up.

There is a fair amount of anguish in this Eldar Thread! Click me, I'm a link!

However, I'm holding out comments until I see it for myself this weekend. Just like I did for Space Marines, Tau, Chaos Daemons, and Chaos Space Marines.

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

 Melissia wrote:

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

WHINECEPTION

We must whine harder.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

WHINECEPTION

We must whine harder.

NOT ENOUGH WHINING! REV UP THE WHINE ENGINES UNTIL THE SKY IS STAINED WITH BASELESS COMPLAINTS!

You know how I can tell this is a terrible codex? Because the 7 S0B players in the world aren't all in here complaining that they should have gotten this release slot instead. They're just keeping their heads down this time, thinking "glad it wasn't us"

 lord_blackfang wrote:
You know how I can tell this is a terrible codex? Because the 7 S0B players in the world

Hey, be nice.

It's nine now.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

WHINECEPTION

We must whine harder.

NOT ENOUGH WHINING! REV UP THE WHINE ENGINES UNTIL THE SKY IS STAINED WITH BASELESS COMPLAINTS!

WHINE FOR THE WHINE GOD

COMPLAINTS FOR THE COMPLAINT THRONE!

Good Lord, Mel has a sense of humour.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

WHINECEPTION

We must whine harder.

NOT ENOUGH WHINING! REV UP THE WHINE ENGINES UNTIL THE SKY IS STAINED WITH BASELESS COMPLAINTS!

WHINE FOR THE WHINE GOD

COMPLAINTS FOR THE COMPLAINT THRONE!

And thus, the source of ammunition for noise marines' sonic weaponry was found to be forum users' whining.

"THIS SILENCE OFFENDS SLAANESH! THINGS WILL GET LOUD NOW!"

 Melissia wrote:
I feel the same way about the endless, ceaseless whining.

I'm still not convinced that the whining ever really stopped, from back in second edition when I picked up my first models. It's just one long blur of whine.

No kidding...

I got back into 40k in early late 4th/ early 5th ed... I still remember how the Nob bikers were the ultimate cheese.

Then, it was Blood Angles with the fast spammed razorbacks/preds.

Then... it was Grey Knights who were nigh unstoppable...

The Necrons? Oh my... they couldn't be beaten.

o.O get the picture?

I, for one, am anxiously waiting for the next Ork Codex!

BladeSwinga wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

WHINECEPTION

We must whine harder.

NOT ENOUGH WHINING! REV UP THE WHINE ENGINES UNTIL THE SKY IS STAINED WITH BASELESS COMPLAINTS!

WHINE FOR THE WHINE GOD

COMPLAINTS FOR THE COMPLAINT THRONE!

And thus, the source of ammunition for noise marines' sonic weaponry was found to be forum users' whining.

"THIS SILENCE OFFENDS SLAANESH! THINGS WILL GET LOUD NOW!"

Wait you can offend Slaanesh?

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

BladeSwinga wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

WHINECEPTION

We must whine harder.

NOT ENOUGH WHINING! REV UP THE WHINE ENGINES UNTIL THE SKY IS STAINED WITH BASELESS COMPLAINTS!

WHINE FOR THE WHINE GOD

COMPLAINTS FOR THE COMPLAINT THRONE!

And thus, the source of ammunition for noise marines' sonic weaponry was found to be forum users' whining.

"THIS SILENCE OFFENDS SLAANESH! THINGS WILL GET LOUD NOW!"

Wait you can offend Slaanesh?

Not being offended offends Slaanesh....

I think this thread is probably about over, so... final thoughts:

Feth yeah Orks need a new codex! I want tankbustas to be made in to something useful. I want Ork heavy weapons to... well, exist, but also to be useful. I want Ork Boyz to have more options for customization. I want Kommando Bosses and Freeloada Kaptins and so much more that can only be added with a new codex.

Even if it "sucks" by the standard of most people, I'll still prefer having more stuff than less.

 Melissia wrote:
I think this thread is probably about over, so... final thoughts:

Feth yeah Orks need a new codex! I want tankbustas to be made in to something useful. I want Ork heavy weapons to... well, exist, but also to be useful. I want Ork Boyz to have more options for customization. I want Kommando Bosses and Freeloada Kaptins and so much more that can only be added with a new codex.

Even if it "sucks" by the standard of most people, I'll still prefer having more stuff than less.

This thread can't die, it's fueled upon baseless complaints and ridiculous expectations. You can't kill those.

 Melissia wrote:
I think this thread is probably about over, so... final thoughts:

Feth yeah Orks need a new codex! I want tankbustas to be made in to something useful. I want Ork heavy weapons to... well, exist, but also to be useful. I want Ork Boyz to have more options for customization. I want Kommando Bosses and Freeloada Kaptins and so much more that can only be added with a new codex.

Even if it "sucks" by the standard of most people, I'll still prefer having more stuff than less.

Agree with all of this. Stormboyz should also be tweaked abit.

Also, I want Skar Boyz back.

I only have the 5th edition of the Ork Edition, so I don't actually know what they are. They sound awesome though.

 Melissia wrote:

 Orock wrote:
[snip]

One post of whining about whining about whining.

Meta!

Some people remember well (or can look up) all your whining posts about sororitas for years, so you are the last who can order me to like the new Tyranid Codex.

Objection!

I haven't ordered anyone to like anything.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I think this thread is probably about over, so... final thoughts:

Feth yeah Orks need a new codex! I want tankbustas to be made in to something useful. I want Ork heavy weapons to... well, exist, but also to be useful. I want Ork Boyz to have more options for customization. I want Kommando Bosses and Freeloada Kaptins and so much more that can only be added with a new codex.

Even if it "sucks" by the standard of most people, I'll still prefer having more stuff than less.

Agree with all of this. Stormboyz should also be tweaked abit.

Also, I want Skar Boyz back.

I only have the 5th edition of the Ork Edition, so I don't actually know what they are. They sound awesome though.

But yeah we need more stuff. We need Skarboyz! We need real tanks! we need not horrible base special rules! (Waaaagh is useless now) We also need Phil Kelly to write the fluff too.

Oh, the old looted tanks rules would be nice! I remember orks being able to steal all sorts of crazy stuff back in 4th ed, sadly before I started them. It was fun

Calling moaning what it is doesn't amount to denying that I also whine about stuff (e.g., the aptly abbreviated SoB).

Well, my nemesis just got the new codex and HE loves it... but this is the same guy who says Marker Lights are no good. Are the Genestealers better now? Just wondering.

Personally I think every codex should get re-written with each new ruleset, but then again... when they release a new edition it's not like they put any effort into the rules at all, so one can hardly expect them to have any sort of standards when it comes to the army books!

But I digress, yes GW please don't make any new codices until you are ready. Like really ready, like playtest that stuff bro!

Bring back looted tanks (looted titan anyone?) have a single unit of boys who can have either sluggas or shootas. Give orks FNP off the bat. Bring in some crazy flying squiggoth just because.

Let flash gitz take any random weapons, Lootas are cool. and then tidy up the rest.

Let Tank Bustas fire at what they want to fire at, or at the very least don't force them to fire at things that are out of range.

darkcloak wrote:
Well, my nemesis just got the new codex and HE loves it... but this is the same guy who says Marker Lights are no good.

Then I think we can safely ignore anything he has to say.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Bring back looted tanks (looted titan anyone?) have a single unit of boys who can have either sluggas or shootas. Give orks FNP off the bat. Bring in some crazy flying squiggoth just because.

Let flash gitz take any random weapons, Lootas are cool. and then tidy up the rest.

Actually FnP would fix a lot of problems. My biggest issue is how monolist the codex is.