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 Ravenous D wrote:

 HiveFleetCollossus wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
So you're janking your opponent with double force org as evidence that nid dex is good?

Next.

Try to come across as less of a dick next time. This guy doesn't owe you anything.

Don't like it? Don't watch it. That goes for everybody in this thread.

Or you can lick his ass some more and call it ice cream.

OP says that he is awesome and thinks nids aren't bad, perfectly viable and is here to prove it. Apparently that means using non standard points on unfavourable tables. The second force org changes the game completely. I called that out and you dumb gaks rush to defend it.

I thought canadian's were not suppose to be arse holes?

Wow, so much rage.

Either way I am happy to read the batrep. Thanks for writing it up Jy2. I look forward to your experiments.

The table looks fine to me. The double FOC is fine by me as well. I play games at double FOC, I have read of others who play double FOC games, and there is even a tournament at this pts level. Heck it is not like this will be the only batrep or even Jy2 batrep with nids (hopefully, as Jy2 indicated he planned on doing a number of these in his OP).

Yea I'll admit I was a little let down but I hadn't read the comments section before posting in the other thread or I wouldn't have even bothered expressing concern, so, oops . A bit too much rage going on here lol. It's worth noting that this won't give us much relevant data but its still a welcome escape from daily routine

Thanks again for taking the time to write this one up!

Looking forward to a 1750 one soon as well




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 Ravenous D wrote:

 HiveFleetCollossus wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
So you're janking your opponent with double force org as evidence that nid dex is good?

Next.

Try to come across as less of a dick next time. This guy doesn't owe you anything.

Don't like it? Don't watch it. That goes for everybody in this thread.

Or you can lick his ass some more and call it ice cream.[b]

OP says that he is awesome and thinks nids aren't bad, perfectly viable and is here to prove it. Apparently that means using non standard points on unfavourable tables. The second force org changes the game completely. I called that out and you dumb gaks rush to defend it.

Oh internets, never change.

tag8833 wrote:
The most powerful unit nids could field against that tau list is deathleaper.

Seriously? You haven't played against Tau then. SMS at snapshot will still screw DL over, Markerlights can boost BS/Ignore Cover, a pair of Broadside will statistically obliterate DL. For those who would say "Well at least those 2 broadside aren't shooting elsewhere" that may be true, but it's only for a turn, and you traded a Flyrant for something that just got poofed by 2 broadside. Sorry but DL is actually the worst against Tau.

And no disrespect Jy2, but I agree with the others. It seems you have done DFO just to take advantage of the Flyrant, nothing else. If that is the only good thing with the new Nids than they are screwed because 90% of tournaments are 1750-1850, so only 2 of the buggers are allowed. Combined with the inordinate amt of LOS blocking terrain this game doesn't seem to prove that much, but I guess we'll see.

I think this game will be:
Tau pour everything they've got at the flyrants, kill them turn 3, but lose a riptide and some other stuff in the process. They then have 2 or more game turns to kill the rest of the Nids
OR
Tau fail to kill the Flyrants fast enough, and combined with the Ravenors the Flyrants kill all the Riptides and begin to eat away at the Tau backfield, winning with their own troops comfortably out of the fight chillin on some objectives

just my $.02

Ok, people, settle down. It's not the end of the world if I ran double-FOC's and this is just the first of many Tyranid battles that I will be posting.


HOWEVER, due the the expressed negativity/disapproval in this thread, I've decided to put this battle report on hold. I will bring it back at some later date, when I feel the public is more ready for it, but for now, I will give the people what they want to see. I will start off my Tyranid experiences with a more traditional single-FOC army if that is what the public wants to see.

I think the "public" would just like to see a report but if you want to hold off till later it's your call. Can't wait to see your Nids in action, regardless! But I'm hoping they can hang tough with just two flyrants when it comes to it.

Ravenous, that post was really out of line and I imagine a mod will be dealing with it shortly.

 LeadLegion wrote:
Hey Jy2. Just want to send out a positive note that I, for one, really appreciate all the time and effort you put into your reports. Especially the tactical analysis. I'm very much looking forward to this and future 'Nid bat reps.

How the dex performs with you at the helm will determine whether or not this is the edition that Nids finally make their way into my collection AND I' personally am just as keen to see how they do with 2 Charts as I am to see them with one.

Thanks again.

Same, I have a hard enough time mustering up a report myself these days, jy2 puts one out every week it seems. I guess we take you for granted sometimes...

 jy2 wrote:
Ok, people, settle down. It's not the end of the world if I ran double-FOC's and this is just the first of many Tyranid battles that I will be posting.


HOWEVER, due the the expressed negativity/disapproval in this thread, I've decided to put this battle report on hold. I will bring it back at some later date, when I feel the public is more ready for it, but for now, I will give the people what they want to see. I will start off my Tyranid experiences with a more traditional single-FOC army if that is what the public wants to see.

Aww... :( Even if I don't like 2xFOC, I still was curious to see how good Flyrants can be...

JY2 your a class act unlike some.

Sad sad state of affairs.

That is disappointing.

I guess they cut off the nose to spite the face.

The nid codex is so negatively perceived right now, it doesn't matter what the list in the batrep is. People will say "is sucks because of x, y, or z". Jy2 could go on a winning streak a mile long with new nids and people will say "there was too much terrain" or "your opponent was a n00b" or "the game ended 1 turn too early" etc etc. it's unreal.

Jy2 I would like to read your batrep, win or loss, double FOC (which IS the rule at 2000 + points like it or not) or single. I like the format and they're always entertaining.

Don't worry guys. I will be playing against a White Scars army tomorrow with my "normal" bugs so you won't have to wait too long for a Tyranid battle report from me.

Then on Friday, I may just head on up to Frontline to take on Reece's challenge. My bugs against any one of his armies....and I may just play against his Taudar.

Then afterwards, maybe I will go back to this report.

If you take Reece's challenge I hope it's either on camera for Frontline or that you write it up. I wanna see you win that prize!

 tetrisphreak wrote:
The nid codex is so negatively perceived right now, it doesn't matter what the list in the batrep is. People will say "is sucks because of x, y, or z". Jy2 could go on a winning streak a mile long with new nids and people will say "there was too much terrain" or "your opponent was a n00b" or "the game ended 1 turn too early" etc etc. it's unreal.

Jy2 I would like to read your batrep, win or loss, double FOC (which IS the rule at 2000 + points like it or not) or single. I like the format and they're always entertaining.

tetrisphreak has the right of it. People won't stop complaining about the new 'Nid codex until people start winning at tournaments with it. A vocal minority got a first look at the codex, didn't like it, and now a ton of other people are parroting those opinions. It's going to take some time to educate people as to what options there are. Then we'll start seeing a bunch of 'well I knew the codex was good all along!' There IS still a ton of nice stuff in the 'dex, even if a couple things got hit with the nerf bat.

Jy2, your batreps are always excellent and I look forward to your Tyranid reports. Your reps are what got me started thinking tactically all the way from the list building stage with my Necrons a couple years back, and now that I'm starting to consider the bugs I'll have even more batrep goodness to look forward to from you.

 Skerr wrote:
JY2 your a class act unlike some.

Sad sad state of affairs.

Ditto...

jy2... I've always enjoyed your batrep.

jy2 to the internet:





I, for one am sad. I would rather get a good Tyranid battle report from you now, even if it is a double force org game.

Oh well, I guess I have something to look forward to, then!

 jy2 wrote:
Don't worry guys. I will be playing against a White Scars army tomorrow with my "normal" bugs so you won't have to wait too long for a Tyranid battle report from me.

Then on Friday, I may just head on up to Frontline to take on Reece's challenge. My bugs against any one of his armies....and I may just play against his Taudar.

Then afterwards, maybe I will go back to this report.

Wow. I have never seen people bitch so much about someone else spending time to write a report for the benefit of the community. Bet these people would also complain about free ice cream because it wasn't their favorite flavor. I don't think tyranids are all that bad, they just can't be played with the same tactics as they used to. Can't wait for this report and the others. Do the hive mind proud.

@JY2 dont give in just cause some chumps dont like double FOC, the rest of us dont care about it and just want to read another one of your great batreps

this is why we can't have nice things. I wanted to see the quad flyrant results after seeing nids die trying in single FOC in FLG reports

nidsNguard wrote:

Wow. I have never seen people bitch so much about someone else spending time to write a report for the benefit of the community. Bet these people would also complain about free ice cream because it wasn't their favorite flavor. I don't think tyranids are all that bad, they just can't be played with the same tactics as they used to. Can't wait for this report and the others. Do the hive mind proud.

Every single time someone says something like this, I'm reminded of when I played Magic and heard the comment that WotC could put a literal $20 bill in every pack, and people would complain about how it was folded.

Having done a report in your style I am continually amazed how fast you churn these out. I really appreciate reading these.

Its a shame how the reaction to this one played out, but this is probably one of the most volatile reactions to a codex I've ever seen.

 Eldarain wrote:
Having done a report in your style I am continually amazed how fast you churn these out. I really appreciate reading these.

Its a shame how the reaction to this one played out, but this is probably one of the most volatile reactions to a codex I've ever seen.

Agreed! I have played in one game with jy2 where he was taking battle rep pictures and it kind of reminded me of what is said about some of the great film directors: they come to the set with the whole movie already edited 'in their head', so they only need to shoot exactly the shots that are needed (as opposed to most films, where they shoot a scene from almost every angle *just in case* they may want to cut it a different way).

With jy2, when he's playing, you can tell he 'knows' exactly what shots he needs to get in order to make the battle rep work and its 2nd nature at this point...plus he's developed some little tricks, like putting dice next to units to remind himself how many casualties that unit took from shooting that round.

So yeah, he's a machine at making these battle reps, and we're all better off for having them. Video battle reps are cool and have some nice advantages, but they just don't compare to jy2's style of battle reps, IMHO.

Jy2 is the absolute undisputed king of bat reps. I've never before seen a single format of bat reps be utilised be so many people. It's almost worth creating a STC for it, so people can just fill in the details.

Jy2,

Thanks for the effort. I think you made a good decision revising the structure of the match. If you had won, your win would probably have been dismissed by some citing 2 FOC vs. 1.

As a Nid player myself, I'm eager to see the result.

Just got here and boy did that escalate quickly...

I fully appreciate the batreps and all the time and effort out into them. Jy2, thank you and keep doing your thang brotha.

Well, with 2 FOCs (i.e., 4 Flyrants) this match-up is definitely not what I'm looking for. A battle at the 1850 pt level would definitely be more enlightening. Nevertheless, let the good work coming JY2.

 jy2 wrote:
Don't worry guys. I will be playing against a White Scars army tomorrow with my "normal" bugs so you won't have to wait too long for a Tyranid battle report from me.

Then on Friday, I may just head on up to Frontline to take on Reece's challenge. My bugs against any one of his armies....and I may just play against his Taudar.

Then afterwards, maybe I will go back to this report.

This. Soooo this. I can't wait to see a video batrep from Reecius eating humble pie when you beat him with your Nids. Please for the love of God do this!

I've nerver seen a table like that at a tournament, nor do I see that as a particularly optimized Tau list.

nidsNguard wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Don't worry guys. I will be playing against a White Scars army tomorrow with my "normal" bugs so you won't have to wait too long for a Tyranid battle report from me.

Then on Friday, I may just head on up to Frontline to take on Reece's challenge. My bugs against any one of his armies....and I may just play against his Taudar.

Then afterwards, maybe I will go back to this report.

Wow. I have never seen people bitch so much about someone else spending time to write a report for the benefit of the community. Bet these people would also complain about free ice cream because it wasn't their favorite flavor. I don't think tyranids are all that bad, they just can't be played with the same tactics as they used to. Can't wait for this report and the others. Do the hive mind proud.

Thanks for your work jy2. I look forward to this, and your future reports, they're really appreciated.

As for the codex, many of people's complaints were justified, and those who called the complainers whingers were indisputably in the wrong. But as for people complaining about a battle report that someone has taken upon themselves to do, for the benefit of the community, I say: get thee gone, thou skulking whinger!

I really appreciate jy2's hard work. Double force org is in the BRB, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to use it, ESPECIALLY while Nids are still waiting for the fully expected allies, dataslates, etc.

Thing is, it might have been more balanced to allow just one extra unit per force org to the nid player only, given the lack of allies... but that departs even further into the realm of house rules than 'no double force org' does. So I don't really understand the complaints. The thread is heading in the direction of YouTube commenters complaining about someone's free 'How To' video, or something...

Both guys agreed to the point limits, both guys built their army as they saw fit. Both knew they could have both used 2 force org charts. One did, one didn't.

Nothing was set up to favor one side or the other. The game was a result of players having a choice of options, and picking them.

Anyone whining about this needs to grow up and enjoy the time and effort that JY2 puts into writing these things. If you can't do that, then don't bother reading these things and just go away.

 jy2 wrote:
Don't worry guys. I will be playing against a White Scars army tomorrow with my "normal" bugs so you won't have to wait too long for a Tyranid battle report from me.

Then on Friday, I may just head on up to Frontline to take on Reece's challenge. My bugs against any one of his armies....and I may just play against his Taudar.

Man, both of the above sound awesome! Cannot wait