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Thinking of using Iron Hands as an allied chapter to my Dark Angels. Coming up with backstory ideas and one was having them based directly on a Forgeworld. Even if they're not the true rulers, but instead are guardians etc and use it as a home base. Is any of this plausible?

I think that sounds cool, and I don't see why it wouldn't be plausible. With 1000+ chapters in 40k I am sure there could be at least 1.

They could even recruit from said planet. There are enough normal humans running around under the hives or factories for them to snatch up. OR they could have a pact with the admech on the planet to vat grow babies for them to use. Hush Hush of course.

It's your personal fluff, so you can do what you want an no one can really tell you that its wrong, just not common.

That said, I don't see the ad mech being happy with a marine chapter recruiting from their forge world. But having a force of iron hands garasoned there, that I can see happening with far less commotion.

A Forge World? Technically not, as an Astartes Homeworld is given a special classification by the Administratum to recognize that fact. A Forge World is a world owned by the Adeptus Mechanicus.

A SM Homeworld is exempt from the standard Imperial Tithe. A Forge World most certainly is not.

It is possible to have a SM Homeworld that possesses heavy industry, however, without it being a Forge World.

It should be noted, though, that people who live on Forge Worlds tend to be sickly and diseased (environmental pollutions), and thus make poor Astartes recruits.

On the other hand, a fleet-based Marine Chapter could certainly have done enough favors for the AdMech that they have recruitment rights on a Forge World. It's not like the insignificant number of recruits will impact production in any way, and it keeps the marines happy and willing to continue providing assistance. Give them three Land Raiders every century too and they'll be your best forward sentries and vanguards.

I agree with the previous two comments. A Forge world is likely under the jurisdiction of the mechanicus. A space marine hone world would ideally be solely under the direct jurisdiction of the chapter. A chapter's home world would likely have techmarines and servitors at most.

Having a fleet based chapter like the BT may give you recruiting rights from a FW under your protection.

If you were a cluster of planets such as Ultramar, you'd likely have a FW amongst your planets.

You could say that they have agreements that the Forge World supplies the Chapter with material, recruits, ships etc. and in exchange the Chapter sends companies along with departing Explorator fleets. Its a win-win situation with the Chapter able to be at the forefront of purging newly discovered alien species.

Sounds like I'll just put a Forge World in system or neighboring. Then have to chapter homeworld have higher than average industrialization.

I like the idea of an agreement between then and the Admech, all sorts of possibilities there. They would have shared intrests in tech stuff and could act as a protection force or keep an eye out when out on their own. There's a Kill Team campaign which give an SM motivation as similar to this.

Yes it can and there are several examples of that being the case, mostly with chapters that are in cahoots with the AdMech.
Like the Steel Confessors. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Steel_Confessors

I thaught the Howling Griffens were on very good terms with the ad mech but the wiki(yeah i know) says their own world keeps them armed. I could have sworn i saw an offcial GW book with a a Howling Griffens Titan that if i remember correctly the marines are not allowed to produce

I think you are confused by a titan legion of a similar name, the War Griffons.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legio_Gryphonicus#.UtjGmJ5dVSs

That would most likely be them

You could have a Chaper that recruits from a world in the same system as a Forgeworld, so has very heavy ties with them, without having to get into the messy story of how an Astartes Chapter has control over a Admech world. Most Chapters tend to recruit from either Hive Worlds (gangers) or Death Worlds due to their citizens being naturally tougher from a young age.

They could be fleet based but have an honorary fortress/outpost on a forge world, too. Imperial Fists and Black Templars have outposts/forts on worlds all over the place.

The Ravenguard home world is the moon of a forgeworld.

Copying that could solve a lot of your fluff problems? Be on good terms with the mechanicus and still have recruitment rights from that planet.

I don't think a forgeworld could also be a Space Marine homeworld. There would be a conflict in ruling the world between the chapter and the AdMech.
A Space Marine homeworld could be very heavily industrialised though.

A question though, why do you need to come up with a homeworld for the Iron Hands? The Iron Hands already have a homeworld, it is called Medusa.

 WarAngel wrote:
Thinking of using Iron Hands as an allied chapter to my Dark Angels. Coming up with backstory ideas and one was having them based directly on a Forgeworld. Even if they're not the true rulers, but instead are guardians etc and use it as a home base. Is any of this plausible?

As noted above I think the second option is better. Ad Mech FWs are generally separate from other imperial control. However a forgeworld where a marine chapter is based there would seem to fit just fine. The chapter could recruit from other worlds but based on the FW with close ties to the Ad Mech there.

Fluffwise and conversion wise you could go with this quite a bit. I'd proffer a DIY chapter. Model wise they could have lots of artificial appendages and look on the extreme end of augmentations (almost Borg like). Due to their relationship their equipment could be more retro or advanced looking. Weaponry and vehicles could look slightly different-more advanced (but use same stats) etc.


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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
You could say that they have agreements that the Forge World supplies the Chapter with material, recruits, ships etc. and in exchange the Chapter sends companies along with departing Explorator fleets. Its a win-win situation with the Chapter able to be at the forefront of purging newly discovered alien species.

Exactly, something like this. Alternatively the Forge World is near multiple key enemy points and the chapter and FW have agreed to the marine base there due to threats in the area.

I like Psienesis's comments. Other's bring up good points.

I thought the last time I was reading up on techmarine-adepetux mechanicus relations, it was tenuous at best. The Chapters don't wish to share any of their tech (which predates much of what the forge worlds and mars has since they could protect their artifacts during the Heresy). I believe one of my Forge World books mentions the serendipitous discover of an old STC, and how sometimes a chapter will hold onto it and research it themselves for generations before turning it over to Mars (which they're directed to do immediately by imperial edict).

Uh, the world that Deliverance (Ravenguard Home moon) is orbiting is a forgeworld. Ravenguard are very clearly in dominion over that planet. There are forge worlds within the Ultramar region, the Black templars more than certainly recruit from a few forge worlds...

There's fluff here, you just gotta make it. It's not wrong, and while the admech might not like it, it's more likely the admech wil be more friendly with a chapter that protects and recruits from a forgeworld.

 Zakiriel wrote:
I think you are confused by a titan legion of a similar name, the War Griffons.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legio_Gryphonicus#.UtjGmJ5dVSs

Or he might be thinking of the Knights of Gryphonne http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Knights_of_Gryphonne - who may or may not have ties to the War Griffons Forge World.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Uh, the world that Deliverance (Ravenguard Home moon) is orbiting is a forgeworld. Ravenguard are very clearly in dominion over that planet.

The Raven Guard IA article specifically said "Between them, Deliverance and Kiavahr produce enough ordnance and engines of war to almost equal the production of a Forge world." not that it was a Forge World.

Note that despite their having a proper homeworld the Raven Guard also have a Chapter Keep on the moon of Baran, occasionally taking new recruits from said world, much like the Imperial Fists relationship with Necromunda, So its certainly possible the Iron Hands might have similar outposts (and they certainly did during the Heresy according to the Massacre)

Well, the Mechanicus has tried to woo chapters into it's service and has even tried to outright create it's own chapter in the past. So it's plausible to have a Marine chapter that is much closer to the AdMech than is strictly alloted by the Codex Astartes.

You could do something similar to the Raven Guard who, at least as far as the last codex is concerned, has a homeworld with the production facilities rivaling a small Forge World.

Look into the Salamanders backstory. I believe one of the "lost items" recovered by the various Forgefathers was a Astartes Battlecruiser "Forge World". You could do something like that. Giant space ship with built in forge world capabilities. Make them fleet based with numerous recruitment worlds.

There's nothing stopping an SM homeworld from becoming a factory or industrial world. But it can't be a Forgeworld, because Forgeworlds explicitly belong to the Adeptus Mechanicus-- and therefor it can't belong to the Astartes.