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Please make the new release date a weekend still. I set the alarm to get up for this one but if you make it a week day I will be at work when it starts.

Any indication on prices yet?

I really hope they are not going to change the scale on all their models. The pincer daemon is the perfect size for what I want. If they made an alternative sword design for it I wouldn't mind, something more elegant, dare I say more Slaaneshy.

Please don't make everything smaller by default. Some of us like the larger scale. They make perfect daemon lords for 40K!

I am reading all of your comments and there are a lot of good opinions here, and some good questions as well. I have been up since 5 in the morning and it has been a long day. I will be back tomorrow to chat some more.

Know that this choice to delay the launch was not made in order to make more money, or to launch more items. The exclusives and models are already in the pipeline. We need guarantees from our supply chain, and in that time these components will become available for the Kickstarter. We are not adding more work for ourselves.

Sorry about any lost sleep and disappointment. I am right there with you.

Joyboozer wrote:
My favourite KS exclusive is a big discount.

This is so true. Jeremy as you can probably tell by allot of people staying awake to join in on the kickstarter as soon as possible people want to get in on any early bird specials. The thing allot of kickstarters do wrong is by not having enough early bird slots. I hate it when I find out about an awesome kickstarter only to find that if I had known about it 1 hour earlier I could have saved $50 on an early bird pledge.

Even having early bird pledge levels can feel a bit frustrating. Sure it benefits those who manage to pledge before anyone else but isn't the whole point of a kickstarter that everyone is an early bird contributor since the project hasn't even been launched yet?

Basically what I'm saying is that I'm poor and stayed up until 7am hoping to get in on any early bird deals to save a bit of money. I'm sure everyone could figure out this project will be popular, I wouldn't be surprised if you hit your goal in less than 3minutes and probably 1million or more before the end of the kickstarter.

This kickstarter will make your business a big success so please reward us backers equally

 CreatureCaster wrote:
I am reading all of your comments and there are a lot of good opinions here, and some good questions as well. I have been up since 5 in the morning and it has been a long day. I will be back tomorrow to chat some more.

Know that this choice to delay the launch was not made in order to make more money, or to launch more items. The exclusives and models are already in the pipeline. We need guarantees from our supply chain, and in that time these components will become available for the Kickstarter. We are not adding more work for ourselves.

Sorry about any lost sleep and disappointment. I am right there with you.

With Early Birds - and this is just thinking out loud - perhaps offer EB versions of the pledge levels for people who pledge in the first 24 or 48 hours, rather than the usual limited slots that are guaranteed to feth over people in some part of the world due to time differences and work schedules? Look how people are posting about scheduling their weekends around the KS starting up, or Buzzsaw's post about your local time vs PST etc.

I remember just how fethed up the Raging Heroes campaign was with a stupid rush to grab an EB slot, and having to just grab whatever looked like it might be good rather than even having time to think about it, followed by reading lots of posts by people who had internet issues (KS was melting down) and missed out etc. Another campaign I backed had a similar issue with EBs, but I can't remember which one it was now. I might be wrong, but it really seems like a good way to build a lot of goodwill from the international gaming community with relatively little effort...

Since you've opened a dialogue with us here, and appear to be listening and taking lots of stuff on board, I decided to type that out when it appeared in my head just now instead of forgetting about it.

I have to agree with the sentiment that KS exclusive bits for the major models you're pushing (and aren't they all?) aught to be purchasable additions, later.

I wouldn't mind bits of exclusive basing materials though. Really high detailed bits of base-modifying stuff that's really really cool and great at bringing out even more character in a model...for very little effort.

People don't have as emotional an attachment to the bases figures are positioned on anyway, so I'd think that that would be a pretty sell-able alteration.

I'm on board with Azazelx about the Early Bird specials.

Having a time frame on the early bird specials seems like it would be much better than a limited spots sort of special. Especially given that the reason for the delay is due to the massive response to the kickstarter, and the goal to make everyone happy... at this point it would seem that having limited spots would only be counter productive to this entire situation.

What Azazelx said, I pledged allot on the Raging Heroes kickstarter, I changed my pledge around 5 times during that kickstarter as things changed, were added or removed.

I wanted the resin cast heroines and the seminar but I wanted to pledge at the highest level to get the best deal. As the seminar slots were limited I lowered my pledge to that level and started asking if it was possible to get resin heroines at the max level but for that I'd have to pledge at both levels which would have been over $2000 which I was not prepared to do. So I went to switch back as I figured the better deal was better than the seminar and resin heroines but then someone else had taken my old early bird slot so I had to select the worst option.

After talking with them a bit I got my old early bird slot back but I had to pay directly through paypal and not through the kickstarter as all those slots were taken.
This in turn means I can't comment on the kickstarter page but that's a small annoyance.

Things will change during your kickstarter as things get unlocked, you add stuff and so forth. If you are going to have early bird special the first 24-48 hours thing sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure you can do that on kickstarter.

People will also change the pledges around as things change and new things are revealed.

One of the problems I can see with your kickstarter would be bundles. Lets say you have a pledge for a 2 model deal, any 2 models. Me selecting 2 Spider girls would result in lower shipping than if I selected 2 dragons. Then again will all the models be priced the same or will they be priced on weight, time taken to make, how complicated the model is, how many parts it has or any other factor that can affect price.

Make it simple, easy to understand and don't use stupid names for different pledge levels. It's easier (at least for me) to understand pledge level 1,2,3,4 rather than bone,skull, pelvis, toe or small demon, demon, large demon, greater demon pledge level names.

Well, now I feel silly for cussing so much when I realized my alarm hadn't woken me up.

I like that idea of a time based early bird rather than a limited slot one, kind of like what Zombie 15' is doing currently (big discount for first 24 hours).

Bases and detail pieces make cool exclusives, as do optional pieces- ESPECIALLY when they are purchasable options down the road.

If you do end up making some smaller, normal sized figures that would be cool- some of us on tighter gaming budgets like supporting up and coming companies but can't afford big ticket pledge items.



That previous sentence ultimately doesn't matter if you offer up some sort of giant armored theropods for my lizardmen to ride into battle on, instead of those lame naked GW "carnosaurs".
If I'm going to spend near 100 dollars for a dino for my army's leader, I would much rather give it to a company that makes big giant bad ass monsters than dinky overpriced ones.


TL;DR - keep us posted on what's happening and make armored dinosaurs so I can give you my monies.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
What Azazelx said, I pledged allot on the Raging Heroes kickstarter, I changed my pledge around 5 times during that kickstarter as things changed, were added or removed.

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Things will change during your kickstarter as things get unlocked, you add stuff and so forth. If you are going to have early bird special the first 24-48 hours thing sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure you can do that on kickstarter.

People will also change the pledges around as things change and new things are revealed.

Make it simple, easy to understand and don't use stupid names for different pledge levels. It's easier (at least for me) to understand pledge level 1,2,3,4 rather than bone,skull, pelvis, toe or small demon, demon, large demon, greater demon pledge level names.

Making a time-limited EB can be done in several ways. The simplest is simply posting/writing the information on the page and manually closing it from the creator side of the KS page. Mantic did it in the MA KS with this pledge level:

BLOODSHED ON THE BATTLEFIELD – New York Comic Con Special! ============================== To celebrate New York Comic Con this weekend, get: 1 x Mars Attacks – The Miniatures Game PLUS $325 worth of Core Add-ons AND all applicable stretch goals. Includes free shipping to UK and US. Please see main page for international shipping. ============================== Pledge Level closes Midnight 13th October.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/mars-attacks-the-miniatures-game


The rest of your post - several good points - clarity in pledge names. Red Box' first campaign comes to mind!) and people WILL want to add on additional versions of their pledge level or other pledge levels via overpledging, followed by a pledge manager, ideally without losing their spot.

Look at Games & Gears recent campaign, and their steadfast refusal to allow people to add-on more boards for the EB price (£62) they had already secured - instead expecting people to add on additional boards for almost double what their EB slots cost (£110). (or cheat by pledging with a second account) - created ill will, confusion and left money on the table - all needlessly - especially since 10% of their 1-board EB were left vacant. Of course, half the problem was that their EB price was so incredibly much cheaper than the "non-EB price" until they changed it later to add a "Christmas Special" level at £95

Basically, what I'm saying is be careful if the price disparity of the EB levels is too much from the regular KS price - especially if you have limited slots.

Basically, as long as people have an easily-identifiable core to work from, they'll upgrade and add-on. If you have an awesome EB level, people will ask later if they can add on a second one of that EB level for their pledges at the same price - some campaigns have allowed it (some of CMON's campaigns) while others don't.

Another thing to be wary of is padding your stretch goals. Work out what they are and what they will cost, and be honest about it. There was a bit of a kerfuffle with the Raging Heroes campaign when it blew up in the first hours, due to months of anticipation. RH then proceeded to pad out their stretch goals by an enormous amount (which we saw when they sent out an update with the obviously original stretch goal number on it - $20k instead of $5k or something like that - you can check the thread here to watch an enormous amount of goodwill degenerate into the company basically being treated as a joke and meme generator.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/530736.page

If you have a huge Day 1, you will NOT have an equally massive Day 2, 3, etc, (which is what RH were expecting) as most of your backers will have blown most of their wad right away.

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy/dailypledges.png
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy/dailybackers.png

After awhile, due to their unrealistic expectations that the day-1 tsunami would continue at the same rate - and their artificially-inflated stretch goals acting as more of a hindrance than a help - they started to unlock "stretch goals" every couple of days - which, again, just made it more transparent that the amounts needed to unlock things was already well achieved and that the goal amounts were arbitrary rather than relating to how much production would actually cost.

Hopefully you're reading through all of this and saying to yourself "Yeah, that's obvious - moron." - but it's worth saying anyway - and pointing out mistakes others have made so you're able to avoid them. The most important lesson to take from RH is basically to not move the goalposts (even behind the scenes) in an effort to "game" your campaign, and be honest to your backers rather than inscrutable (and later, insulting.)




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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I like that idea of a time based early bird rather than a limited slot one, kind of like what Zombie 15' is doing currently (big discount for first 24 hours).

Bases and detail pieces make cool exclusives, as do optional pieces- ESPECIALLY when they are purchasable options down the road.

If you do end up making some smaller, normal sized figures that would be cool- some of us on tighter gaming budgets like supporting up and coming companies but can't afford big ticket pledge items.



That previous sentence ultimately doesn't matter if you offer up some sort of giant armored theropods for my lizardmen to ride into battle on, instead of those lame naked GW "carnosaurs".
If I'm going to spend near 100 dollars for a dino for my army's leader, I would much rather give it to a company that makes big giant bad ass monsters than dinky overpriced ones.


TL;DR - keep us posted on what's happening and make armored dinosaurs so I can give you my monies.

A bit off-topic, but check your local Museum. They won't be armoured, but there can be some great bargains there for almost-in-scale dinos. I got a HUGE sauropod for $25 - 22" long, 6 1/2" high at the curve of it's spine and 9" high at the head.

I should never underestimate the savvy of Kickstarter supporting Dakkaites

We can not give prices yet, since they are subject to change before launch and I can not disappoint anyone with incorrect figures.

Mini busts, base accessories, unique coins and plinths... all excellent ideas that are cost effective, and very cool. I was even thinking about adding putty stampers, with skull pile textures and dragons scales? This is kind of a nod to old school sculptors and modelers such as myself.

We can all agree that the dynamics of a small campaign compared to a large on are quite different. That was very well illustrated in the posts above. The prior template I was using when building my kickstarter campaign was something closer to the Stonehaven Miniatures Elves, gnomes and dwarves campaigns. Goes to show I was more than a little modest with my expectations.

The we got 1800 fans on facebook, and I realized we need to get assurances on the front-end, so we do not suffer in the back-end.

The good news is, we have decided to keep our first wave catalog VERY small and manageable, even at the risk of offering less choice. Our incentives will offer the variety and value. We will nail the fulfillment for the first wave, and then do a second with the confidence gained.

I am doing a bunch of emailing so I cant get to every question, but I will be back soon. Thanks guys.

Please leave the music off in your videos, it gets annoying to have it in the background when I'm trying to listen to what's being said.

Message received.

As so many have said - having the accessories and options available through channels instead of just as an exclusive for the Kickstarter is a good thing.

On the flip side... exclusives are why I have a miniature of a nekkid succubus on a motorcycle....

The Auld Grump

 Azazelx wrote:
You mean this is already the most shameful thread ever seen on Dakka?

Nah. We've got a long way to go before we reach Raging Heroes levels of tantrum throwing.

If the prices on these don't keep me away then nothing can.

When is this starting again? I want to back it

Quick question, will local pick up (at say Hammertime) be an option?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You mean this is already the most shameful thread ever seen on Dakka?

Nah. We've got a long way to go before we reach Raging Heroes levels of tantrum throwing.

I honestly wish you'd give this a rest, I normally really like your posts but every time you troll about this I get closer to hitting the ignore button.

He's hardly trolling.

so what is a kick starter? is it like a starter set?
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 Azazelx wrote:
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This Azazelx guy, he knows stuff. Good stuff.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
so what is a kick starter? is it like a starter set?
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Google 'kickstarter', it should be easy to pick up what's going on.

EDIT: Nevermind, not the place for it.

We pushed back this launch to avoid any drama that would ensue as a result of late delivery. My entire goal is to do small and achievable goal oriented Kickstarters, and do a few of them. I can only do the latter ones if I do the first ones flawlessly.

Yes, if you live in Vancouver Canada, or Seattle (I drive down there a lot) you can buy direct from me (like some sort of back alley arms dealer type situation). This will be of course after all of the Kickstarter packages are safely on their way to all the backers.

If anyone is not familiar with the Kickstarter process, YouTube will be a big help. If you were to post any specific questions on the boards, people will help you with those as well.

We can confirm that we will be keeping our smaller sized catalog for the first wave, and then assemble our second wave once our first ships on time.

There will be Kickstarter exclusives. I am having a meeting today to discuss optional parts, base accessories, putty stampers, and other small/achievable/cool stuff we can have ready for launch.

We also have the option of adding a pack of variant parts with different variants than the Kickstarter, when we go to retail. That way everyone gets something unique.

We will launch on a weekend, and take another look at the time of day in which we release. Please do not ask for prices or launch date, since both are subject to change up until we get closer to release date.

We will not only be offering much more early birds, but also staggering them, similar to how Dark Lands did theirs.

Just as a quick note, I suffer from dyslexia and this sometimes effects my spelling, especially when speed typing. My apologies outright for sometimes appearing unprofessional with my spelling.

Might I suggest that you open up a dialogue with Buzzsaw?

He's done some fantastic reviews and 'post-mortems' of Kickstarter campaigns, and he'd be a valuable resource for you, I think.

He really should go into business as a Kickstarter Consultant!

Tried to click on the video and states it is being updated...

Does that mean we'll have something come up today, or they just took down the old video about not launching?

I believe they just took it down. It's been like that for about a week now.

I'm sure when the new launch date is released they'll put out an updated video.