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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Gee more imperial stuff, queue the surprise music.... [/sarcasm]

Does a sculptor lose his job if the model imperial to zenos ration drops below 50:1?

They're just making what sells the most....

It sells the most, because that is what they mostly make

Sorry but no dice. People like marines... their models sell better and so do their books which is why they get made. In any case, they're currently fleshing out the horus heresy which is a marine on marine primarily setting... what do you expect them to make?

 warboss wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Gee more imperial stuff, queue the surprise music.... [/sarcasm]

Does a sculptor lose his job if the model imperial to zenos ration drops below 50:1?

They're just making what sells the most....

It sells the most, because that is what they mostly make

Sorry but no dice. People like marines... their models sell better and so do their books which is why they get made. In any case, they're currently fleshing out the horus heresy which is a marine on marine primarily setting... what do you expect them to make?

Oh, I understand about the Horus Heresy. But even before the Heresy series, most of FW's products are Imperial.
Which is why I'm hoping they'll do War in Heaven to balance it out.

So, back OT, how many special weapons can a Thallax Squad take?

Not sure why FW aren't selling the specialists together.

 Medium of Death wrote:
So, back OT, how many special weapons can a Thallax Squad take?

Not sure why FW aren't selling the specialists together.

Eh, they never sell the specialists together. Every special option is separate, from what I noticed at least.

 Medium of Death wrote:
So, back OT, how many special weapons can a Thallax Squad take?

Not sure why FW aren't selling the specialists together.

It is one heavy weapon per 3 Thallax. So a full unit of 9 Thallax can upgrade a total of 3 lightning guns to heavy(er) weapons.

I still wish they sold them separately. I don't really want or need more regular ones. I've got about 15 of them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still wish they sold them separately. I don't really want or need more regular ones. I've got about 15 of them.

Can an entire army consist of Thallax?

Not that I'm suggesting that you get more, just curious.

I'm surprised that FW don't just sell these as an upgrade considering all the "bits" type kits we've had recently.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still wish they sold them separately. I don't really want or need more regular ones. I've got about 15 of them.

Completely agree. As someone that also has 15 of them, I feel a bit hosed that I can't get the special weapons (which should have just been included in the kit to begin with) by themselves.

@Medium - Yes, you can pretty much field all Thallax, as they're troops. You'd still need an HQ though.

Eventually, once they've done a few more books, we'll have enough units to warrant an entire Mechanicum list (rather than the partial lists with only a few options that we've been getting).

So more Thrall types, more regular troops beyond Thallaxii, more robots, our own vehicles, and different Tech-Priest units (like the Myrmidons). When? Who knows - this is speculation at this point - but it seems that by the time we hit a "War on Mars" book (which they have to do, they're called 'Forge World' after all) these things will be complete.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still wish they sold them separately. I don't really want or need more regular ones. I've got about 15 of them.

Can an entire army consist of Thallax?

Not that I'm suggesting that you get more, just curious.

I'm surprised that FW don't just sell these as an upgrade considering all the "bits" type kits we've had recently.

They are troops, so yes you could.

According to FW
MECHANICUM THALLAX COHORT
CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA
and TECH-THRALLS WITH LAS-LOCKS are all troops. There are maniples of the first two but the thralls are a squad.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Eventually, once they've done a few more books, we'll have enough units to warrant an entire Mechanicum list (rather than the partial lists with only a few options that we've been getting).

So more Thrall types, more regular troops beyond Thallaxii, more robots, our own vehicles, and different Tech-Priest units (like the Myrmidons). When? Who knows - this is speculation at this point - but it seems that by the time we hit a "War on Mars" book (which they have to do, they're called 'Forge World' after all) these things will be complete.

Rumors are one of the books will include an entire army list for Dark Mechanicum, so there's a good chance that'd be the one you're looking forward to.

Hereteks in actual tabletop form? Hereteks in actual tabletop form.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Eventually, once they've done a few more books, we'll have enough units to warrant an entire Mechanicum list (rather than the partial lists with only a few options that we've been getting).
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Sooo.. I've got on pretty solid authority that the HH book after Phall will actually BE the War on Mars book, and not Prospero like we all thought, with a potential 4Q2014 release....

I don't know any insider details but it feels like they're drawing out the HH a bit too long IMO. I fully realize it is the single biggest chain of events in 40k (and the only real time the plot advanced...10,000 years ago!) but 6+ books at the pace they come out with stuff feels like too long. One Istvaan book, one Terra book, one "other" astartes book, and one "other" human (AM, Imperial Army) book would have sufficed and allowed them to return to some more modern setting (with some xenos love sprinkled in) while still doing the HH setting justice.

 warboss wrote:
I don't know any insider details but it feels like they're drawing out the HH a bit too long IMO. I fully realize it is the single biggest chain of events in 40k (and the only real time the plot advanced...10,000 years ago!) but 6+ books at the pace they come out with stuff feels like too long. One Istvaan book, one Terra book, one "other" astartes book, and one "other" human (AM, Imperial Army) book would have sufficed and allowed them to return to some more modern setting (with some xenos love sprinkled in) while still doing the HH setting justice.

You're missing something important...

 warboss wrote:
I don't know any insider details but it feels like they're drawing out the HH a bit too long IMO. I fully realize it is the single biggest chain of events in 40k (and the only real time the plot advanced...10,000 years ago!) but 6+ books at the pace they come out with stuff feels like too long. One Istvaan book, one Terra book, one "other" astartes book, and one "other" human (AM, Imperial Army) book would have sufficed and allowed them to return to some more modern setting (with some xenos love sprinkled in) while still doing the HH setting justice.

I'll assume you've read through the FW HH books, right? (not trying to be a douche here; honestly just asking) I mean, there's a LOOOOOOTTT of stuff in each one of those, both gameplay and story wise. I'm just not exactly sure where they'd "trim the fat," as it were, in those books. If they made a single book, it would have to be gigantic.

I think the fortunate thing about it all is that FW has commmiteed to upping their produciton pace of the HH stuff, with their goal to release two books a year. Should mean only another year more until nearly all the Legions are represented in a FW book.

azreal13 wrote:You're missing something important...

No, not missing it... just lamenting it from the folks that split Vraks into 3 books.

cincydooley wrote:I'll assume you've read through the FW HH books, right? (not trying to be a douche here; honestly just asking) I mean, there's a LOOOOOOTTT of stuff in each one of those, both gameplay and story wise. I'm just not exactly sure where they'd "trim the fat," as it were, in those books. If they made a single book, it would have to be gigantic.

I think the fortunate thing about it all is that FW has commmiteed to upping their produciton pace of the HH stuff, with their goal to release two books a year. Should mean only another year more until nearly all the Legions are represented in a FW book.

I'm not sure how every legion can be done at that pace in another year with the previous rumors of 3 Istvaan books and 3 more Ultima Segmentum books... with talk now of a Mars specific book (source?) somewhere in between... and that's not even touching the Battle for Terra and the legions that will be covered there. I do hope they shed some light on this at either their open day or the subsequent HH weekender.

We don't know to what (if any) extent later books are being held up by the pace of the BL novel releases.

 warboss wrote:

I'm not sure how every legion can be done at that pace in another year with the previous rumors of 3 Istvaan books and 3 more Ultima Segmentum books... with talk now of a Mars specific book (source?) somewhere in between... and that's not even touching the Battle for Terra and the legions that will be covered there. I do hope they shed some light on this at either their open day or the subsequent HH weekender.

Oh, I don't think they'll be "done" but having them all represented within that time frame is pretty reasonable.

I mean, personally, I want as many books as they're willing to do.

Obviously we're getting Prospero and that'll include Wolves, Sons, and Sisters of Silence at a minimum

I'd be fine with an entire book on Calth; they could introduce some really cool scenarios like underground warfare and zero-g boarding actions.

Obviously you COULD do a whole Signus book that really introduced the BA and Demons, and you could potentially add the "space wolves watch pack" in the book as well and make them a 0-1 limit for all loyal armies.

For me, the biggest issue is figuring out when to insert the Scars and Dark Angels.

 cincydooley wrote:

For me, the biggest issue is figuring out when to insert the Scars and Dark Angels.

Scars (and Custodes) would be battle on Terra (of which they had a significant part) and Dark Angels would be the Epilogue story of the battle between Luther and the Lion, I guess.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

For me, the biggest issue is figuring out when to insert the Scars and Dark Angels.

Scars (and Custodes) would be battle on Terra (of which they had a significant part) and Dark Angels would be the Epilogue story of the battle between Luther and the Lion, I guess.

Thats all I can think, too. It just seems so LATE to get them into the game....

They could have gotten away with introducting the custodes in a Isstvan Book 3, or perhaps at Prospero, as like, a 0-1 option for loyalist armies.

 cincydooley wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

For me, the biggest issue is figuring out when to insert the Scars and Dark Angels.

Scars (and Custodes) would be battle on Terra (of which they had a significant part) and Dark Angels would be the Epilogue story of the battle between Luther and the Lion, I guess.

Thats all I can think, too. It just seems so LATE to get them into the game....

They could have gotten away with introducting the custodes in a Isstvan Book 3, or perhaps at Prospero, as like, a 0-1 option for loyalist armies.

Thing is, I guess if they have Scars and Custodes before Battle of Terra, then what's left for Battle of Terra?

....come to think about it, I wonder if they'll have the balls to make the Emperor an HQ choice for a Custodes army in the Battle of Terra book. How else are you gonna play out a battle on Horus' ship?

Dark Angels could be brought in with the Night Lords for the campaign out on the edge of the stars. Which would tie in decently with the Ultramar/Word Bearer stuff.

HORUS!!

Posted yet?

Beat you by 14 seconds!

 azreal13 wrote:
Beat you by 14 seconds!

I claim right of first post as you posted the archaic Ogryn on your first try

Bitchin!

Can't wait to paint it!

Yep, had the wrong link in my clipboard, my pic's still first though!

He's amazing looking, cant wait to get him.