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 Sidstyler wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The giant Thanatas siege automata has an S8 AP2 Large Blast mortar that forces successful cover saves to be re-rolled.

Well that sounds odd. Would have been easier just to give it Ignores Cover. What's the story behind re-rolling the save, time-delayed explosion or something?

It's a giant plasma mortar battery like in Halo. It covers the entire area with superheated gas.

There isn't any such rule as ignores cover in 30k as they prefer the far better mechanic of modifying saves -1 or forcing rerolls. Is removing entire units with no save ever fun? It takes out all the interaction and was the chief complaint of Tau.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Well that sounds odd. Would have been easier just to give it Ignores Cover. What's the story behind re-rolling the save, time-delayed explosion or something?

"Rolling waves of plasma energy". But yeah, it's the worst kind of special rule, the one that does something almost like another special rule but is different for difference's sake.

Maybe they thought Ignores cover is too good? That's been one of the biggest complaints about Tau and Eldar, is all the Ignores cover weapons. I think re-rolling successful cover saves is a very nice compromise.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
O Mortarion Mortarion, wherefore art thou Mortarion?

Heard he called in sick..

Ha! Exalted!

So, is Omegon even mentioned in the Book 3?

Was he...busy elsewhere during the events depicted?

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Well that sounds odd. Would have been easier just to give it Ignores Cover. What's the story behind re-rolling the save, time-delayed explosion or something?

"Rolling waves of plasma energy". But yeah, it's the worst kind of special rule, the one that does something almost like another special rule but is different for difference's sake.

Maybe they thought Ignores cover is too good? That's been one of the biggest complaints about Tau and Eldar, is all the Ignores cover weapons. I think re-rolling successful cover saves is a very nice compromise.

I agree, an ignores cover strength 8 ap 2 large blast seems massively overkill where as re-roll cover seems far more balanced even though its situational

I also think the reroll cover saves rule is more balanced than simply ignoring them outright.
I can't wait to get my copy of Extermination, but I just know that the Battle of Phall section will just make angry at GW again for dropping Battlefleet Gothic. Heresy era BFG would be so AWESOME!

I hope the Alpharius model isn't sculpted with that helmet on.

 warboss wrote:
I hope the Alpharius model isn't sculpted with that helmet on.

I hope he is!

Alpharius is one of the few Primarchs who really should be modeled with a helmet.

I agree he should have a helmet on, or at least a helmeted option, but that helmet shown?

Yeah, I hope not too.

Hmm, makes me wonder: I really hope FW will model helmets for the Primarchs! Imagine what kinda helmets these guys would wear...

@Alph and Kan: I might not have been clear. I don't have an issue with a helmet but rather that specific helmet in the sketch. It makes Ultramarine honor guard and Night Lord headgear seem positively lacking in extraneous detail.

Does Alpharius have Transformers-pattern armour that looks like generic Astartes plate then changes at the touch of a button/mind impulse to something more......obvious?

I don't know, but now I hope so!

It wouldn't be great from a cool mini perspective, but part of me wants to see Alph in MK6 power armor just looking like a normal legionary.

But, if he's wearing a helmet, how would we know it was Alpharius

Also I'm a little disappointed Perturabo's robots have not been seen.

He is still bulky so he wouldn't be the same size as a typical astartes even as the smallest primarch(s).

 zedmeister wrote:
But, if he's wearing a helmet, how would we know it was Alpharius

Quite easily unless Alpharius and Omegon found twin babies to staple to their foreheads!

Any word on whether Perturbo gets the option to use the Mechanicum robots as a bodyguard like in the novels?

Any word on when the Limited Edition rules package thing becomes available on the website?

 warboss wrote:
He is still bulky so he wouldn't be the same size as a typical astartes even as the smallest primarch(s).

IIRC XX legion Astartes are taller on average too, so the combination was what allowed Alpharius/Omegon to hide relatively well in ordinary squads.

I'm possibly pulling that out of my hat, but I think I'm right in saying that.

We just need some Dark Mechanicus rules now...

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, makes me wonder: I really hope FW will model helmets for the Primarchs! Imagine what kinda helmets these guys would wear...

We have already seen Lemans helmet Ulric wears it.

You guys are daft. Alphs helmet is sweet as.

 azreal13 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
He is still bulky so he wouldn't be the same size as a typical astartes even as the smallest primarch(s).

IIRC XX legion Astartes are taller on average too, so the combination was what allowed Alpharius/Omegon to hide relatively well in ordinary squads.

I'm possibly pulling that out of my hat, but I think I'm right in saying that.

That definitely USED to be the case.

Though, IIRC, only the 'larger' Alpha Legionnaires could do a really good job of impersonating the Primarchs.

 Sasori wrote:
We just need some Dark Mechanicus rules now...

I think I remember reading that "the plan" is to drip-feed basic Mechanicum forces into each book, then to release recognisably "evil" Mechanicum stuff when the battle for Mars gets its day. Which makes sense really, since until they open the Vaults of Moravec most of their dodgy inventions were either super-tip-top-secret like Kaban(ermahgerd FW better do a model for the Kaban Machine), or outwardly indistinguishable from regular Mechanicum tech in order to avoid arousing suspicion. It also means the bulk of both armies that will feature in the book will already have models.

Sadly, I think the closest we can expect the Mars events to get coverage is the last book of the second trilogy, but more likely the first or second book of the final trilogy, so it's years away

 Alpharius wrote:

Though, IIRC, only the 'larger' Alpha Legionnaires could do a really good job of impersonating the Primarchs.

I thought it was the other way around?

Don't forget that there's the Imperial Army and Rogue Trader armies to come too.

Not forgetting the tantalising hints of upcoming new stuff in the current books like the Jocasta Pattern Grav-attack and the Orgus Flyer.

Did anyone spot anything related to the Gal Vorbak by any chance?

Ohh Hey did anyone hear when this new Knight is supposed to be released?