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 Buzzsaw wrote:

 edlowe wrote:

Painted Algoryns.

Strange head proportions aside, I quite like these guys. The problem I have with them is that I think they're supposed to be aliens, but with their helmets on there's nothing about their anatomy to suggest they aren't just humans in armour. Even with the helmets off they're taking the star trek approach to alien physiognomy.

IIRC, they're not supposed to be aliens, just a human subspecies.

In that case their lack of alien-ness is forgiven.

After seeing the new releases for GOA, I am very disappointed with the pricing. $38.00 for 5 guys and 2 drones? What is that? I guess we were spoiled with the pricing on their historical models. Too bad. I really like the models but not at that price.

I wonder if the 'cast for order' thing has anything to do with the pricing? You can't imagine this line selling anything like the volume of the historical ranges.

It comes to £24 in GB pound money which isn't too bad I suppose, I assume at some point they will be supplemented with a range of plastics which seems to happen to every other range Warlord releases at some point (going again on their historicals) and I believe was the original intention of the GoA KS.

Saw some of the GoA minis in the flesh for the first time the other weekend, was surprised by how nicely sculpted they are. A lot of detail on them, and in the case of the Algoryn they are well proportioned.

Just saw these pics on FB actually which are some of the best examples I have seen

They look really good, I like their design

A third faction is now up for pre-order on the website, the 'Concorde'

There is an individual squad, £20 http://www.warlordgames.com/pre-order-c3-strike-squad/



And an army deal, £70 http://store.warlordgames.com/products/concord-strike-force-starter-army-deal

The designs are nice, but they make GW look cheap.

Those are pretty cool. They're very close to getting a "totally awesome" from me. I think it's the overuse of sloping. The shoulders are sloped. The guns are sloped. The ones that look the best are the ones with optics breaking up their smooth surfaces and without the sloped rifles in their hands.

They might be great candidates for a weapon swap and some conversion bits in the form of equipment or optics on the helmets or shoulders.


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AlexHolker wrote:The designs are nice, but they make GW look cheap.

Before I clicked on the links I tried to estimate the price I think would be fair and came to £12.50 for the squad and £50 for the group deal. £20 and £70 is way high. Especially given what I'd need to spend in terms of conversion bits to deal with their shortcomings.

I believe the higher cost of these comes from them being "made to order." For some reason they don't keep stock of these and only produce them if they get orders. I suppose that'll change when they release the final rules and have all of the factions available though.

I actually really like the look of the Concord troops. They're nice, generic sci-fi. If they were cheaper, I'd totally get some to use as generic mooks.

 Barzam wrote:
I believe the higher cost of these comes from them being "made to order." For some reason they don't keep stock of these and only produce them if they get orders. I suppose that'll change when they release the final rules and have all of the factions available though.

No, it comes from the lead developer being a dinosaur still stuck in the 1980s who thinks metal is the best way to build an army.

I'd just like them priced in line with their many other metal miniatures. Like these promotional figures for their Ostfront release for Bolt Action

http://store.warlordgames.com/products/ostfront-command

Metal, made to order £2.50 each.

Or this:



10 miniatures for £15

5 plus a tiny little drone thing for £20? Less great.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I believe the higher cost of these comes from them being "made to order." For some reason they don't keep stock of these and only produce them if they get orders. I suppose that'll change when they release the final rules and have all of the factions available though.

No, it comes from the lead developer being a dinosaur still stuck in the 1980s who thinks metal is the best way to build an army.

While I often appreciate your acerbic wit in other posts, think this is being a bit unfair. Warlord under Rick Priestly has pretty much ushered in a new era of plastics in the historicals scene, I think they were narrowly beaten by some of the Perry miniatures box sets, but their plastic Romans and Celts were at the fore-front of a mass of new plastic releases and now barely a month goes by without the release of a new plastic kit.

They're also doing the same with their vehicle range, releasing a bunch of very reasonably priced plastic vehicles with Italieri.

The GoA miniatures are expensive because they are a new range, and they are obviously being produced in very limited numbers. The game has to find its feet, and its obviously going to take a year or two to do this. Right now, I'm sure most Warlord fans would prefer that the company keep their resources directed towards Bolt Action and their other historical ranges. Eventually perhaps the number of players of GoA will grow to the point where Warlord can afford to sink tens of thousands of pounds into some plastic moulds, but for now I think this is the right way to go about it. For now, for the 'early adopters' £70 to play the game isn't too bad, especially as you can download the beta rules for free.

 Pacific wrote:
Saw some of the GoA minis in the flesh for the first time the other weekend, was surprised by how nicely sculpted they are. A lot of detail on them, and in the case of the Algoryn they are well proportioned.

Just saw these pics on FB actually which are some of the best examples I have seen

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Those do look better, I think the paint job and higher angel photographs make all the difference.

I'm surprised that their in-house painter hasn't given the visor-less model a beard or stubble.

 Pacific wrote:
The GoA miniatures are expensive because they are a new range, and they are obviously being produced in very limited numbers. The game has to find its feet, and its obviously going to take a year or two to do this.

Considering a) the game is not released, b) you can use any minis you want with the beta rules, therefore c) these minis are produced basically for the few people that want to buy them to play it with. They are made to order and direct order only, and not available through the normal Warlord retail distribution chain.

After the disaster of the kickstarter, I'm just kind of semi paying attention to the game to see if they release a good Alygorn model to use as a Garrus standin.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
The GoA miniatures are expensive because they are a new range, and they are obviously being produced in very limited numbers. The game has to find its feet, and its obviously going to take a year or two to do this.

Considering a) the game is not released, b) you can use any minis you want with the beta rules, therefore c) these minis are produced basically for the few people that want to buy them to play it with. They are made to order and direct order only, and not available through the normal Warlord retail distribution chain.

Brookhurst Hobbies has half a dozen Gates of Antares boxes just sitting there. They must be out for distribution. Maybe most retailers have better sense than to order any in?

Also, I'm not sure how Warlord expects to help GoA find an audience or gain its feet by associating the brand with high prices for terrible sculpts in metal during a boom time of cheap, good quality plastics.

It's definitely not doing them any favors, no. Especially if you were around for the KS and remember that they were asking for seven figures right off the bat with literally nothing to show you, except for a model later on that was designed by committee and kinda "meh" at best.

Lots of money for very little in both cases.

Yes, it's quite clear they're banking too heavily off the names and nostalgia.

The sculpts are iffy, but I blame that more on the older design sense of the game's designers. Sculptors can only do so much when the designs lack interest. Unless the sculptor is the designer.

However, the rules look good from what I've read. It's a D10 version of Bolt Action, finally fleshed out with more detail and hopefully balance. I was surprised that they're pulling from the same sources as me for certain mechanics.

Well, if game mechanics were all that mattered, we'd all be playing BoardGame Geek 1, 7, 12, ,14 and 57. Background, flavor, aesthetics and miniatures matter to many of us. And Gates of Antares isn't delivering any of those things in quality.

But I suppose if the rules are just that good I can always play them with my Eisenkern and my Proxie Models Mooks.

some of the dreamforge stuff could probably work if the rules are good

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Brookhurst Hobbies has half a dozen Gates of Antares boxes just sitting there. They must be out for distribution. Maybe most retailers have better sense than to order any in?

Also, I'm not sure how Warlord expects to help GoA find an audience or gain its feet by associating the brand with high prices for terrible sculpts in metal during a boom time of cheap, good quality plastics.

If a retailer has a direct account with Warlord they can order any of their items for retail sale. (If they order Warlord thru ACD, Alliance, Warpath/Golden, etc, they only have access to normal distribution)

Then the decision is even more perplexing.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
The GoA miniatures are expensive because they are a new range, and they are obviously being produced in very limited numbers. The game has to find its feet, and its obviously going to take a year or two to do this.

Considering a) the game is not released, b) you can use any minis you want with the beta rules, therefore c) these minis are produced basically for the few people that want to buy them to play it with. They are made to order and direct order only, and not available through the normal Warlord retail distribution chain.

Brookhurst Hobbies has half a dozen Gates of Antares boxes just sitting there. They must be out for distribution. Maybe most retailers have better sense than to order any in?

Also, I'm not sure how Warlord expects to help GoA find an audience or gain its feet by associating the brand with high prices for terrible sculpts in metal during a boom time of cheap, good quality plastics.

I was chatting to a chap from Warlord the other week at a show, he reckoned that the range was selling reasonably well. There seems to be a fair amount of chatter about it both online and around clubs/shows etc.

Obviously, I don't think it's going to start challenging even Warmachine or Infinity any time soon, but it certainly has people that are interested in it, and it's rare that you hear a bad account of their rule system. I actually think the sculpts are pretty nice, although I realise such a thing is subjective, and having seen them in person they are nicely sculpted and have some very delicate detail on them.

I'd like to see it gradually build up steam, I might buy a set of the Algoryn just to paint one up like Garrus from Mass Effect in the meantime

 Pacific wrote:
Obviously, I don't think it's going to start challenging even Warmachine or Infinity any time soon, but it certainly has people that are interested in it, and it's rare that you hear a bad account of their rule system. I actually think the sculpts are pretty nice, although I realise such a thing is subjective, and having seen them in person they are nicely sculpted and have some very delicate detail on them.

I got one of the Algoryn guys a couple months ago when Warlord was throwing in a free mini with every order. I really like the model, and he's TALL. I'll try to remember to post a size comparison.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I believe the higher cost of these comes from them being "made to order." For some reason they don't keep stock of these and only produce them if they get orders. I suppose that'll change when they release the final rules and have all of the factions available though.

No, it comes from the lead developer being a dinosaur still stuck in the 1980s who thinks metal is the best way to build an army.

You're both wrong - though Alex gets extra points for being needlessly insulting and Ad Hominem. I've been buying quite a lot of metal from Warlord's Historical ranges lately - much of those being made to order, larger models (including Cavalry) and most sinister - metal units for an army and they're, priced nowhere near what these are.

I can't really fathom why they're priced like that excepting the usual "sci-fi, economies of scale, blablah, etc." Mantic does a bit of this as well - But it does stop me taking a second look at them.

It would be interesting to get a weight on them compared to other cheaper warlord stuff

volume goes up faster than you expect as minis get larger so there may be more metal so more raw material cost

Size comparison with GW LOTR Harad and Bolt Action German crewman