40k Radio: Imperial Knights in March

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**Alpharius**

I don't think they were even called "Knight Titans" - you're just getting old Tom!

And seriously, where the hell is Platuan4th already?

I'm getting worried!

**Moopy**

tomjoad wrote:
In a world in which 'candy" is trademarked by Candycrush, ANYthing is possible.

That hasn't been finalized yet.

**timd**

ironicsilence wrote:

given that I believe the 28mm Crusader is pretty close to the size of a knight (right?)

Not really, unless GW scales up Knights a lot. The Crusader is 8.5" tall. If Armorcast had done a Knight in scale with the Reaver and Warhound, it would have been 6" tall. Certainly Forge World has scaled Titans up from Armorcast sizes and so will probably scale up the Knight as well, but I don't think they will bump the height up by 40% to make it as tall as the Crusader.

As a comparison, the Eldar Wraithknight and the Armorcast Eldar Towering Destroyer Knight are in perfect scale with each other when compared to the Epic models.

Tim

**cuda1179**

Here are some comparison shots of a 28mm Leviathan, an older 15 mm resin Leviathan, an Armorcast Warhound, and an Epicast Knight.

**H.B.M.C.**

That was the pic that convinced me to go into the Leviathan KS for some 15mm versions. They're the perfect size for Knights.

**Bull0**

With this I'm partly thinking "They're going to sell a lot of Leviathan Crusaders if this is true" but also "Perhaps GW are doing this BECAUSE they want to get in on that action". Whole thing makes a bit more sense with that in mind, for me anyway

**Mr Morden**

Imperial Knight Households and related Mechanicum stuff would be absolutely awesome.

Hope they remember to make them allies for all Imperial forces

**Alpharius**

Bull0 wrote:
With this I'm partly thinking "They're going to sell a lot of Leviathan Crusaders if this is true" but also "Perhaps GW are doing this BECAUSE they want to get in on that action". Whole thing makes a bit more sense with that in mind, for me anyway

Probably?

But believe it or not, GW is got their work cut out for them in terms of catching up to/exceeding the efforts of DFG, WF and K

in terms of what is now being achieved in 'traditional hard plastic'!

**Tannhauser42**

Agreed. While GW may end up making a cool looking model with the 40K aesthetic (skulls EVERYWHERE), it will be nowhere near as technically good as the Dreamforge product.

**Bull0**

Oh, I totally agree. I figured that was implied when I said a LOT of Leviathan Crusaders are going to get got if this rumour turns out to be a thing.

**xttz**

MajorTom11 wrote:

Don't know it would get anyone hot and bothered at the idea that these things were, at some point, considered a subcategory of scout class titans -

Titan Legions (2nd Edition), pp. 27-30, 54
White Dwarf 182 (UK), " 'Eavy Metal: Forces of the Imperium," pg. 38; "Titan Legions: Knight Households," pp. 39-40
White Dwarf 180 (UK), " 'Eavy Metal: Imperial Knights", pg. 26
White Dwarf 178 (UK), "The Titan Legions," by Rick Priestly, pp. 43-50
White Dwarf 126 (UK), "Knights: Eldar & Human War Machines" by Andy Chambers, pp. 28-45

They were officially called titans, there are your references, feel free to look em up.

They may totally end up retconning that right out of existence, or they may have already, I just remember they USED to be called Knight Titans, lol don't shoot the messenger here, you can call them whatever you like it doesn't bother me!

There's always one

I have all these (with the exception of WD126), and the link I posted covers at least two of those sources (they reprinted Codex Titanicus stuff in WD). "Knight Titan" is not used in any of them.

Although if it helps, we could ask everyone on Dakka to start using the following phrases to drive home how superfluous the term is:

Dreadknight Titan
Dreadnought Titan
Centurion Titan
Sentinel Titan
Wraithlord Titan
and my favourite...

Carnifex Titan

**Crimson**

I think people often say 'Knight Titan' because 'knight' is just a terribly generic word and could refer to number of different things and they want to specify that they mean the giant walking warmachines in 40K.

**Red Viper**

cuda1179 wrote:
Here are some comparison shots of a 28mm Leviathan, an older 15 mm resin Leviathan, an Armorcast Warhound, and an Epicast Knight.

Is that a bright stallion in the back of the second pic?

**bu11etmagn3tt**

This will be cool if it happens!

**Alpharius**

I hope they look nothing like that thing from Titanfall, as cool as it may be!

Nothing beats this one:

Nothing!

**BrookM**

Agreed, it's clunky but damn it, there's something about that design!

The Titanfall design though, would look too high-tech.

**Slinky**

MajorTom11 wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
pretre wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:
Sorry, didn't know I had to take unconfirmed rumors as 'confirmed/fact' if they come from 40kRadio! Although, in all fairness, they have a pretty good track record of late, good for Kyle and Rick!
He means that 40k radio confirmed that they meant 40k knights when they said Imperial Knights, not that this is a fact yet.

This.

The first post ITT was me asking the same thing, the question was asked by someone else on their FB page and the response was to confirm it was intended as a 40K rumour.

As for the other thing, Knights have always been just that, 'Titan' is superfluous, inaccurate and unnecessary. While describing them as Titan-like is obviously pretty logical, it isn't what they are.

Done channelling other user's consciousnesses now!

xttz wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:

I believe the Knights were referred to as Knight Titans in the old 2nd ed days? They were epic only and released along with Adeptus Titanicus if I am recalling, so they were 'knight class titans' at the time... Could be wrong though I am relatively confident that was the case.

They were referred to as "Knight suits" - the phrase "Knight Titan" has never ever been used officially:

http://i.imgur.com/eIFfuoy.jpg

Don't know it would get anyone hot and bothered at the idea that these things were, at some point, considered a subcategory of scout class titans -

Titan Legions (2nd Edition), pp. 27-30, 54
White Dwarf 182 (UK), " 'Eavy Metal: Forces of the Imperium," pg. 38; "Titan Legions: Knight Households," pp. 39-40
White Dwarf 180 (UK), " 'Eavy Metal: Imperial Knights", pg. 26
White Dwarf 178 (UK), "The Titan Legions," by Rick Priestly, pp. 43-50
White Dwarf 126 (UK), "Knights: Eldar & Human War Machines" by Andy Chambers, pp. 28-45

They were officially called titans, there are your references, feel free to look em up.

They may totally end up retconning that right out of existence, or they may have already, I just remember they USED to be called Knight Titans, lol don't shoot the messenger here, you can call them whatever you like it doesn't bother me!

You made me look

WD126 just says Knights or Knight suits, not Knight Titans. Lots of mentions of them fighting alongside Titan orders, or the suits being built on Titan forgeworlds, but that's it.

**Ravajaxe**

The information here was posted on 40k radio's facebook page, but if one had listened their 71th podcast show, of january 16, some information were already unveiled.
This is what I recollected from their speech.This has been a tricky exercise of listening and noting stuff, 3 or 4 people covering their voice one on another, but quite enjoyable. If you want to check, like if my non-english native ears are OK, please.

Some small parts , I failed to understand, don't think that's relevant anyway. It is located after about 30 minutes of them talking bout news and random things of WH40k.

(...)
- It's funny to know about everything all the time.
- Oh, hell I mean we don't know everything, I don't think he 's too happy on the digitals.
- Yeah, I don't talk that much about the digital stuff.
- What ?
- Imperial Knight of... Whuupp !
- Why are you dropping that ? We got to say that one !
- Hey, just sayin' .
- What is it ?
- An Imperial titan will be out at some point in this year.
- Yeah !
- 2014.
- Why are you so sneaky with me ? Tell me right now !
- He's not sneaky with you.
- A plastic Imperial knight ?
- Hmmm...
- Oh nobody is listening, go ahead.
- An Imperial titan, that's from the rumours we've got.
- And (###)
- At some point in this year.
- Cause like, the knight titan has just one dude piloting it. So small when goes to Warhound and everything.
- It's about ... well, in the storyline, I don't know the model, we haven't seen the picture yet, this is just what the source is telling us. The knight titan is about half the size of a warhound. But plastic.
- So the size of the eldar Wraithknight ?
- But bulkier.
- Right.
- Of course.
- So think of it like that... the one that, ah ! What it is ? ... The Leviathan, that one ! That's about the equivalent size.
- That's supposed to be allied to every imperial army.
- (###) building the model (###) ?
- But see. That's where once again... that will get wrapped into 7th edition, or something akin to that , where you are playing with bigger models using escalation, all the same stuff to came out with.
...

Conversation continues bout Tyranid release and Chapterhouse models being removed from the codex and so on.
What do you think of it ?

**Mathieu Raymond**

If they do get into the Mini-titans though... I wonder how they'll make it competitive versus the Dreamforge stuff. If a WraithKnight is 140$, and I can get a Leviathan for 125$ (those are both RRP, we all know we can get discounts), I'm assuming Mark will price his in the ballpark of the KS price... so say 60$... I just don't see many of GW's flying off the shelves*

*All prices are in Canadian dollars, also known as monopoly money, or the loonie.

**deleted20250424**

The blue one in the case is HAWT!

I need on of those, like yesterday.

**Kroothawk**

Hmmm, another Apocalypse unit that is pressed into normal 40k games, just to sell another 2 sprue kit for a new record high price.
Not impressed ... if that rumour turns out true.

**Crimson**

Kroothawk wrote:
Hmmm, another Apocalypse unit that is pressed into normal 40k games, just to sell another 2 sprue kit for a new record high price.
Not impressed ... if that rumour turns out true.

Titans might not be okay in regular games, but knights are smaller and weaker, so it might be all right. Eldar already have a knight.
I actually hope that they don't make them superheavies but regular walkers with great armour and HP. A bit like walking land raiders.

**BrookM**

I hope that the Knight becomes a monstrous creature, just like the Wraithknight and Riptide.

**First0f0ne**

Crimson wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Hmmm, another Apocalypse unit that is pressed into normal 40k games, just to sell another 2 sprue kit for a new record high price.
Not impressed ... if that rumour turns out true.

Titans might not be okay in regular games, but knights are smaller and weaker, so it might be all right. Eldar already have a knight.
I actually hope that they don't make them superheavies but regular walkers with great armour and HP. A bit like walking land raiders.

Making them MCs with a toughness, str, wounds, and an armor saves allows more variation in design, and function.

As walkers they can only be adjusted by AV, invl save, str, and hull points.

**Kroothawk**

Crimson wrote:
Titans might not be okay in regular games, but knights are smaller and weaker, so it might be all right. Eldar already have a knight.
I actually hope that they don't make them superheavies but regular walkers with great armour and HP. A bit like walking land raiders.

Eldar and Tau got their Apocalypse units (Wraithknight, Riptide) as a no-effort way to make them "competitive". Now those Apocalypse units rule the 40k battlefield. Even more Apocalypse units don't make it better.

**Crimson**

BrookM wrote:
I hope that the Knight becomes a monstrous creature, just like the Wraithknight and Riptide.

I really don't. I wish they'd stop making things that obviously should be vehicles into MCs. (I can live with Wraithknight being a MC, as wraithbone constructs are really different from normal vehicles, but Dreadknight and Riptide should have been vehicles.)

**Mathieu Raymond**

But they painted themselves in a corner with Walkers being only able to move 6" a turn.

**Alpharius**

MC over Walker/Vehicle in 6th makes them playable though - at least, you know, without having seen the possible rules for this potentially made-up release!

**Kanluwen**

Kroothawk wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Titans might not be okay in regular games, but knights are smaller and weaker, so it might be all right. Eldar already have a knight.
I actually hope that they don't make them superheavies but regular walkers with great armour and HP. A bit like walking land raiders.

Eldar and Tau got their Apocalypse units (Wraithknight, Riptide) as a no-effort way to make them "competitive". Now those Apocalypse units rule the 40k battlefield. Even more Apocalypse units don't make it better.

They weren't Apocalypse units. The Riptide and Wraithknight did not exist before the codices got updated to include the units.

**BrookM**

Alpharius wrote:
MC over Walker/Vehicle in 6th makes them playable though - at least, you know, without having seen the possible rules for this potentially made-up release!

This, that's why I want it to be a MC, it is so much more durable than a vehicle in this edition.