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Here is a choter I have been working on for a while now.


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Name: hounds of horus. Note- common name: Luna wolves.
Founding: Unknown. Possibly the cursed 21. 
Gene-seed: Horus. -note: cursed by the chaos gods, see "the flaw" below.
Homeworld: Archerin betaris. 
Homeworld details:  archerin betaris' surface is a barren wasteland, a mysterious virus having killed all things living well before the imperium arrived. But, many species of fauna and flora have developed in the cavernous tunnels below the surface, and this is where the Luna wolves make their home.
Organization: unlike most chapters, the chaplains of the hounds of loken disperse among the chapter, acting as sergeants, comand squad veterans and even (in the case of the high-chaplain) a captain. An unusual number of terminator armour are found within the armouries of thehounds of loken. By the same leaf, very few bikes are there, leading to the belief of a trade between the hounds of loken and the White scars. Besides this, they primarily stick to the codex astartes (even though I'm using the chaos codex )
Combat doctrine: the hounds of loken display a unique love of close combat, but at the same time, will hold a gun line as rigourously as they will charge the enemy. 
Beliefs: the hounds of loken believe that the only way to honour the original luna wolves, those purged in the istvaan III incident, is to completely eliminate all remnants of a chaos warband before moving to a new target, they currently have their eye set on a small black legion warband "the suns of the stone"
Colours and heraldry:  white with silver or black lining. Black wolf head, often against a crescent moon. 
Battlecry: for them! For the emperor! 

"From the arch-traitor, from Horace, we were created, and from Horus, the arch-traitor, come our foes. We are the avengers of our name-sake, the honourable dead that would not bow to Horace, to them, we owe our lives, for them, we will crush the arch-traitor's pawn, for them, for the emperor!" chapter master solace. 

Recruitment: The hounds of loken recruit from the hardened tribes of their world, whom construct huge underground cities. 

Notable members of the hounds of loken:
Chapter Master: Solace.  
Chief Librarian: +++error+++
Captain of the 1st company: torgaddon. Named for the ancient hero.

Notable engagements:
:current:
 The battle of mortals:
Hive fleet kraken threatens the forsaken knights chapter planet, and thehounds of loken first, second and third companies rush to their aid, lead by solace himself. 
Relationship with the forsaken knights:
The forsaken knights share a deep found bond with the hounds of loken, even lending forces on long term scales to each other, the chapter masters of the luna wolves and forsaken knights, solace and the shrouded lord respectively, are close friends.

The mournival: solace keeps a council of: the high chaplain, chief librarian, first captain, and second captain, known as the mournival.

The flaw:
The hounds of loken gene seed is cursed. Some space marines of the chapter slowly devolve into rambling monsters, mutant things of hordes appearance. Their like ness to chaos spawn could spell the doom of the chapter, and any brother afflicted is immediately placed in stasis, the current total being 142 afflicted, they are hidden at the core of the hounds of loken fortress, and a closely guarded secret, solace has voweled to save his chapter from this affliction, but unlike the thousand sons, who were afflicted similarly, solace has set a line in the sand between what he will, and won't, do.
The dark on the horizon:
Known only to solace and his mournival, solace bears the first signs of the flaw. It seems ha has henceforce held it back by pure force of will, but even that is failing. Unless a cure can be found soon, he will almost certainly fall...
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Any c+c on this would be greatly appreciated.  

Thanks.

T.S.L

Nice Idea, but you should rename the chapter, cause

Luna Wolves is the old name of the Black Legion/Sons of Horus

Fandarel wrote:
Nice Idea, but you should rename the chapter, cause

Luna Wolves is the old name of the Black Legion/Sons of Horus

Thats the point I love the Luna wolves.

The ties to the Original Luna Wolves in name and heritage seems entirely too strong for the High Lords or Terra, or other chapters in particular to endure without purging. The first founding chapters all suffered brutally at Horus's betrayal, to have a chapter honouring the name and heritage, especially one that is secretly harbouring a tainted flaw without suffering their ire seems incredibly unlikely.

Yeah, it's a nice idea, and well thought out. But the 1st founding especially wouldn't tolerate a flawed chapter named the Luna Wolves. Although there were good marines in it long ago, the name is entirely affiliated with Horus and the Heresy. the Inquisition would have such a close eye on them that they couldn't survive and keep their secret.

Sorry dude :/

Von Chogg

A really nice idea and an interesting story.
The only thing that bugs me is indeed the name.
Using 'Luna Wolves' as a name would probably stretch the Inquisition's tolerance too far.
Besides, I think only original Luna Wolves can claim that name.
Maybe you could make it so that your chapter was founded by a loyalist Luna Wolves survivor?

It feels like "Luna Wolves" has been chosen as the name simply because you wanted them to be more cool than a normal Chapter. This is just a bad idea, it does nothing and breaks the fluff.

I'm agreeing with the rest of the commenters, not a fan of the name, plus they got their gene seed from Horus? no chance of the high lords of terra allowing that.

Back story wise though, I do quite like it? Why not instead having it set up by a loyalist luna wolf who escaped the purge and renamed his survivors and hid their heritage out of shame, that way they can still be luna wolves, but hidden in secrecy if that makes sense?

Sorry mate, I like Luna Wolves fluff, but name Luna Wolves and Horus' geneseed? Only under Abaddon, not Imperium

Using Horus' geneseed isn't impossible... a lot of crazy gak went down in the 21st Founding, and it's possible (unlikely, but possible) that somebody said "hey, I think we fixed the flaws in Horus' geneseed, let's stick it in a Chapter and see what happens". Of course, the Inquisition would automatically be aware of such a Chapter's founding, as they control access to all of the Traitor Legion geneseed. The Inquisition would keep a SUPER CLOSE eye on them, which means geneseed flaws that cause Chaos Spawn would either not happen, or would mean the Chapter has already been wiped out by the Ordo Hereticus.

I don't have a problem with the Horus geneseed, and nobody else should. The 21st Founding reads like a mad scientist's favorite erotic fan fic, with crazy experimentation and fluff-breaking gak happening left and right (as GW intended). The geneseed alone isn't the problem. It's making it a secret from the Inquisition (IMPOSSIBLE) and naming them after the most hated Legion in Imperial history. It would be like Israel forming a special forces group and naming them the Waffen SS. It absofethingloutely WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Maybe if you changed their name to two different words that mean "luna" and "wolf" to disguise their origins, and say that the Inquisition keeps a super-close eye on them, and remove the Chaos spawn stuff, you'd find a lot more ready acceptance for your idea.

The idea of loyalist Luna Wolves isn't a bad one. Your implementation needs some work, is all.

any suggestion qs to how i could make this work? i realy realy want to use luna wolves name and iconography, and the only really set in stone things are that and the flaw, can anyone think of a way to make it work? :(

I mean, do what you want its a game. When you boil it down to the fluff, it has no way of making sense right now >.>

Its your game, do what you want with the fluff as long as you follow a valid codex and paint your minis like a manly man.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
any suggestion qs to how i could make this work? i realy realy want to use luna wolves name and iconography, and the only really set in stone things are that and the flaw, can anyone think of a way to make it work? :(

From a fluff standpoint, your Luna Wolves can be a splinter, a fraction of a fraction of the survivors at the Battle of Isstvan III. Or perhaps a detachment from a Grand Company gone astray due to a warp storm, cut off from the Great Crusade prior to Horus being corrupted by Chaos.

Or perhaps it is Black Legionnaires who have not only rejected the Great Betrayer, but also Horus, and have resided with the Emperor. However, they are still one-time traitors and fight from the shadows, considered renegades by all factions.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
any suggestion qs to how i could make this work? i realy realy want to use luna wolves name and iconography, and the only really set in stone things are that and the flaw, can anyone think of a way to make it work? :(

Allow me to quote myself from another thread:

jareddm wrote:
Just so you're aware, the Black Legion supplement introduced the Wolves of Horus warband, an offshoot of the Black Legion consisting of veteran Luna Wolves that turned against Abaddon as a userper of Horus after the Heresy. They wish to return to the days when Horus led the Luna Wolves and so paint themselves in the Luna Wolves colors.

The Wolves of Horus literally only exist so people like you can justify a Luna Wolves color scheme in current 40k.

Yes the name has changed but it's the symbol and same color scheme as the original Luna Wolves.

 Frazzled wrote:
Its your game, do what you want with the fluff as long as you follow a valid codex and paint your minis like a manly man.

Well yeah but I mean, If I want to walk into a game, have marines painted black and red with obnoxious blue and bright yellow accents and put them on the table, then call them Black templars. This is a game

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its your game, do what you want with the fluff as long as you follow a valid codex and paint your minis like a manly man.

Well yeah but I mean, If I want to walk into a game, have marines painted black and red with obnoxious blue and bright yellow accents and put them on the table, then call them Black templars. This is a game

Whats the problem? At least they're painted.

 Frazzled wrote:

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its your game, do what you want with the fluff as long as you follow a valid codex and paint your minis like a manly man.

Well yeah but I mean, If I want to walk into a game, have marines painted black and red with obnoxious blue and bright yellow accents and put them on the table, then call them Black templars. This is a game

Whats the problem? At least they're painted.

right, I thought we were on different sides of the fence about this

jareddm wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
any suggestion qs to how i could make this work? i realy realy want to use luna wolves name and iconography, and the only really set in stone things are that and the flaw, can anyone think of a way to make it work? :(

Allow me to quote myself from another thread:

jareddm wrote:
Just so you're aware, the Black Legion supplement introduced the Wolves of Horus warband, an offshoot of the Black Legion consisting of veteran Luna Wolves that turned against Abaddon as a userper of Horus after the Heresy. They wish to return to the days when Horus led the Luna Wolves and so paint themselves in the Luna Wolves colors.

The Wolves of Horus literally only exist so people like you can justify a Luna Wolves color scheme in current 40k.

Yes the name has changed but it's the symbol and same color scheme as the original Luna Wolves.

As I said inthe othethread, thank you. But I have read the black legion supplement and they are still chaos. I don't like chaos.
Im very much leaning toward the founded by a survivor idea, I could have all of what I have now, just have to add that.
@frazzled and such: yes, but sole of us have no life out side o wargaming, and have to make up fanciful battles of epic proportion to stop from killing ourselves.

Have them actual Luna Wolves that had been lost since before the HH and due to warp storm shenanigans they just now reappeared. But they'd have to hide who they are because loyal or not, someone shows up callin' themselves "Luna Wolves" is gonna get purged right quick without asking questions.

Traitors spotted! Blessed be the Emperor let's purge these heretics that dare to use the name of the Arch-traitor!

At least use synonyms for moon and wolves tsukinoookami (月の狼 )or Diana's Wolves(or lupus)

S o I'l cll them sol lupus and say they were founded by ten-twenty survivors? Any more wOuld be impossible.

Don't forget there are ACTAUL Luna wolves kicking around in the 41st millennium, abbadon found them and they joined the black legion, could be interesting to have them be a splinter.of those that didn't want to join abbadon

Call them Lunar Wolves & you´re golden :p

What do you guys think of the solace fluff, the mournival and how he is slowly falling to the flaw?
Also, to those saying the first founding chapters wouldn't accept it, they wouldn't have a say, really...
And I suppose the high lords could be sending a message that those who serve the emperor and turn their backs on him WILL be replaced, and will be hunted?

I was going to say call them The Moon Dogs as a joke but the more I dwell on it the cooler the name sounds. I feel bad for you that this has been torn to shreds by everyone but even I agree the name luna wolves really wouldn't be tolerated by anyone in the imperium.

Hang on, how about "hounds of the night?"

See now you're getting creative. Anything similar to keep similar iconography to the original legion.

Possible alternate name:

"Wolves of Selene"... 'Selene' being an Ancient Greek word that can mean something relating to the moon...

Heck, just wiki "moon", then scroll down to the bottom and click the link for lunar deities... there are bunches and bunches of names to use in place of "Luna" and "Wolves"... well, wolves works just fine without needing to be changed.

Keeping the Iconography of the Luna Wolves isn't a problem, because with over a thousand Chapters running around (not including ones that have been destroyed over the last 10K years) there is bound to be some iconography overlap and re-use.

You are still better off making your guys Luna Wolves who were lost in the warp and showed up in the 40K era and had to change their name to avoid getting killed (if you really are married to the Chaos spawn idea) because that way, they avoid the scrutiny of the Inquisition, and they have enough Marines to sustain their existence. A Chapter founded by ten or twenty guys? Not happening. Not without a lot of help (it takes geneseed, it takes materiel, guns, recruits, ships, tanks, etc), and the only organization capable of helping in late 30K (ie, the guys with the Horus gene-seed) would be the nascent Inquisition. Which means your chapter WOULDN'T be a secret from them (which means your Chaos spawn idea can't work, because the Inq would exterminatus them).

Using the 21st Founding would also mean that the Inquisition is aware of them, so again, no Chaos spawn.

I want to help you, but you need to understand that if you want your fluff to be accepted by fluff gamers, it needs to conform to certain established facts of the setting. Unfortunately, some of what you want for your army isn't possible in the setting. You will have to give up some things to make the other things work.

You want Horus geneseed, Luna Wolves iconography, Chaos spawn, and Luna Wolves name? Can't happen, because: Inquisition.

You want Horus geneseed, Luna Wolves Iconography, Chaos spawn, and a name that means something close to "Luna Wolves"...? That can happen.

You want a Chapter founded by ten or twenty survivors of the original Legion, and Chaos spawn? Can't happen, because logistics and Inquisition.

Basically, start with the TWO things your SM army MUST have to be your SM army. That seems to be Luna Wolves' geneseed and Chaos spawn.

Now, the only way that happens without the Inquisition being involved at some stage in their creation, is if they are actual Luna Wolves who got hurled into the future because of the Warp. Literally ANYTHING else means that the Inquisition was involved in their creation, which means no Chaos spawn.

If you really, really want those Chaos spawn, then time travel because the Warp is your only logical option. Anything else gets the Inquisition involved at some point in their creation, which means the Inquisition is watching them, which means the Chaos spawn get them all killed.

I realize you worked hard on your fluff, and I realize you really want to use it all because it seems to cool to you. I get that. I run a SM Chapter descended from Loyalist remnants of a Traitor Legion, myself, so I know where you are coming from on this. But if you come here and ask us what we think of it, you are obviously concerned what other (fluff) players will think of it. And regardless of my own feelings about SM Chapters using Traitor geneseed, a lot of your fluff conflicts with the logic of the setting. You are going to have to do what every artist hates to do:

You are going to have to edit your own work.

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Name: hounds of horus. Note- common name: Luna wolves.
Founding: Founding: after the istvaan massacre, dosens of space marines ramained alive, many of these would later turn to chaos in desperation, and join their original legions, but a small group of luna wolves, led by an un-named hero, refused to bowl to corruption. seizing a landing ship left behind by the world eaters, they made flight to terra. they greived when they discovered the fate of the emperor, and voweled vengeance on the arch-traitor, after a decade of purity tests, it was decided they would be allowed their own chapter of space marine, for the high lords saw potential for a distraction, a chapter so consumed by the desire to kill chaos that all chaos forces in vescinity would have to use resources just to not be over-whelmed.
it was not for a century that the flaw showed itself, on the battle field of derviss VIII
Gene-seed: Horus. -note: cursed by the chaos gods, see "the flaw" below.
Homeworld: Archerin betaris.
Homeworld details: archerin betaris' surface is a barren wasteland, a mysterious virus having killed all things living well before the imperium arrived. But, many species of fauna and flora have developed in the cavernous tunnels below the surface, and this is where the Luna wolves make their home.
Organization: unlike most chapters, the chaplains of the hounds of loken disperse among the chapter, acting as sergeants, comand squad veterans and even (in the case of the high-chaplain) a captain. An unusual number of terminator armour are found within the armouries of thehounds of loken. By the same leaf, very few bikes are there, leading to the belief of a trade between the hounds of loken and the White scars. Besides this, they primarily stick to the codex astartes (even though I'm using the chaos codex )
Combat doctrine: the hounds of loken display a unique love of close combat, but at the same time, will hold a gun line as rigourously as they will charge the enemy.
Beliefs: the hounds of loken believe that the only way to honour the original luna wolves, those purged in the istvaan III incident, is to completely eliminate all remnants of a chaos warband before moving to a new target, they currently have their eye set on a small black legion warband "the suns of the stone"
Colours and heraldry: white with silver or black lining. Black wolf head, often against a crescent moon.
Battlecry: for them! For the emperor!

"From the arch-traitor, from Horace, we were created, and from Horus, the arch-traitor, come our foes. We are the avengers of our name-sake, the honourable dead that would not bow to Horace, to them, we owe our lives, for them, we will crush the arch-traitor's pawn, for them, for the emperor!" chapter master solace.

Recruitment: The hounds of loken recruit from the hardened tribes of their world, whom construct huge underground cities.

Notable members of the hounds of loken:
Chapter Master: Solace.
Chief Librarian: +++error+++
Captain of the 1st company: torgaddon. Named for the ancient hero.

Notable engagements:
:current:
The battle of mortals:
Hive fleet kraken threatens the forsaken knights chapter planet, and thehounds of loken first, second and third companies rush to their aid, lead by solace himself.
Relationship with the forsaken knights:
The forsaken knights share a deep found bond with the hounds of loken, even lending forces on long term scales to each other, the chapter masters of the luna wolves and forsaken knights, solace and the shrouded lord respectively, are close friends.

The mournival: solace keeps a council of: the high chaplain, chief librarian, first captain, and second captain, known as the mournival.

The flaw:
The hounds of loken gene seed is cursed. Some space marines of the chapter slowly devolve into rambling monsters, mutant things of hordes appearance. Their like ness to chaos spawn could spell the doom of the chapter, and any brother afflicted is immediately placed in stasis, the current total being 142 afflicted, they are hidden at the core of the hounds of loken fortress, and a closely guarded secret, solace has voweled to save his chapter from this affliction, but unlike the thousand sons, who were afflicted similarly, solace has set a line in the sand between what he will, and won't, do.
The dark on the horizon:
Known only to solace and his mournival, solace bears the first signs of the flaw. It seems ha has henceforce held it back by pure force of will, but even that is failing. Unless a cure can be found soon, he will almost certainly fall...
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