Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Ouze wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Rotary wrote:
I actually liked dinobot a bit more than grimlock when i was a kid.

Well of course. Dinobot was Grimlock 2.0.

Are we talking about the Beast Wars Dinobot? If so, I feel I must disagree. I felt that BW Dinobot was substantially more layered and nuanced, plot development wise - his motivations were more complex. In general I found that Beast Wars was probably the apex of character development and storytelling for the franchise, at least in proportion to what is possible for a cartoon designed to sell toys.

And the body count at the end was epic, though I hated the last season back on cybertron

Hey look at that, you changed your avatar!

I felt that BW Dinobot was substantially more layered and nuanced, plot development wise - his motivations were more complex.

Exactly why he's Grimlock 2.0. He has most of the basic personality traits of the original Gen 1 Rexbot but he layers them up with a much stronger sense of honor and character progression. EDIT: Probably why he managed to beat Grimlock into the Hall of Fame first time through.

Yeah. As far as story telling went, Beast Wars was #1 for the franchise. Not Beast Machines though. That was an abomination @_@

Dinobots are fine, but when is Bay going to bring some serious, mature storytelling to the Transformers franchise and include Transformers: Kiss Players?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey look at that, you changed your avatar!

I sometimes do briefly, but never more than a week unless it's the Christmas one.

 Ouze wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Rotary wrote:
I actually liked dinobot a bit more than grimlock when i was a kid.

Well of course. Dinobot was Grimlock 2.0.

Are we talking about the Beast Wars Dinobot? If so, I feel I must disagree. I felt that BW Dinobot was substantially more layered and nuanced, plot development wise - his motivations were more complex. In general I found that Beast Wars was probably the apex of character development and storytelling for the franchise, at least in proportion to what is possible for a cartoon designed to sell toys.

Beast Wars was leaps above any previous Transformers cartoons for character development. Even if the idea of turning into animals to fool... animals? Made no sense.

I recommend Transformers Prime. It just wrapped up, but it really crafted some incredible characters. Shockwave was the only character with no development in the show, nor should he have displayed any. Arcee and Knockout really stand out as minor characters that are allowed to blossom and grow.

I can't stand the animation styles for the newer series, I've attempted watching them on netflix but they just look like absolute gak.

Gitzbitah wrote:

Beast Wars was leaps above any previous Transformers cartoons for character development. Even if the idea of turning into animals to fool... animals? Made no sense.

The beast modes weren't supposed to fool other animals. They were protection against the raw energon in the local environment.

Ah, my mistake. It has been quite some time since I watched Beast Wars.

Pretty sure beastwars is the only transformers show I actually followed way back then. Did love that one.

 Soladrin wrote:
Pretty sure beastwars is the only transformers show I actually followed way back then. Did love that one.

I had all of Generation 1 on DVD. Before I moved I had to give them away

I loved Beast Wars as a kid...but the show hasn't aged very well. I tried rewatching it, and gave up

Yeah, that CGI of yesteryear is quite crappy today. Someone should do a digital remastering with new CGi models and textures. Would be epic.

Completely agree. I also couldn't stand that they all had to shout "Maximize" or "Terrorize" every time they transformed.

Grimlock is a Samurai, or Chinese Warrior or something.... he looks like Bludgeon.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/02/14/transformers-4-dinobots-action-figures-first-look/

Where's the brutality? Where is the undisciplined berserker whose only problem is where to find a bigger hammer to hit this new problem with? I am horribly disappointed. Me Grimlock need new strategy!

On the other hand, as a parent of two boys under 5, I am thrilled at the idea of one step Transformers toys. That is the best idea since Bot Shots to recruit a fresh legion of fans.

Well, the robot form seem logical, as the trailer seems to hint at a heavily Asian backdrop. I still have to say that if he transforms in the movie, that's going to be one helluva 'bot. Has to be at least a third the size of Devastator, judging by Optimus' comparative size.

Shia and Megan Fox are now both out of the franchise that means 2 of the 3 requirements to making a decent transformers movie have been met, is it not signs of the apocalypse?


If Transformers 5 is done without Bay the world may finally explode.... from AWESOME.

There are problems besides casting which I am not sure are surmountable regardless of who is in the directors seat. To wit even from just the trailer it is clear this movie will likely have numerous sequences comprised of big blurry machiney things smashing into each other, where you can't be sure what exactly is going on.

 Gitzbitah wrote:
Grimlock is a Samurai, or Chinese Warrior or something.... he looks like Bludgeon. .

Sure, why not.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the way Michael Bay constructs action scenes unenjoyable.

 Ouze wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
Grimlock is a Samurai, or Chinese Warrior or something.... he looks like Bludgeon. .

Sure, why not.

Because when you think of ancient Japanese/Chinese warriors the image immediately provokes images of honour, discipline and a deep, rich culture. When you ask a TF fan what words would describe Grimlock you'd get things like simple, brutal and dumb. He is the shirtless berserker, not the honourable samurai.

It'd be like portraying Prime- a person deeply committed to freedom and peace- as the kind of person who executes political dissidents...

Now if Bay wants to create a whole new transformer, some dragon like Asian influenced thing (instead of putting Asian trim on a t-rex) I have nothing against that at all. Big Asian dragon who embodies those ancient philosophies and looks? No problem at all- great idea.But there's something dishonest though with claiming 'we've got Grimlock' when what you really have is something so loosely resembling Grimlock that a name change would protect from a lawsuit. The films would have been better (but still bad) as their own franchise but then you wouldn't have the draw of calling it Transformers. GoBots would have been just as appropriate.

A question to those in the know....do we even know that the T-Rex is Grimlock, and not something invented by Bay?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
A question to those in the know....do we even know that the T-Rex is Grimlock, and not something invented by Bay?

Yes it is Grimlock.

Note that Bay refers to him as 'a 15ft reinforced steel Tyranosaurus Rex' which isn't an unreasonable height for a t-rex, but it is less than half the height of Optimus (32 feet). This Grimlock must be over 100ft in robot mode at least. It also illustrates that either Bay has no idea of the scale of things in his movie or they simply changed it because they thought it'd be cool (along with numerous other changes), which is half the problem. Bay could make a 40k film and make space marines into US marines in space with shoulder pads and people would just say 'Stop insisting it look like the source material!'

Ah, good to know. Also, I agree. Grimlock is absolutely not a 15ft T-Rex in this movie, anymore than Devastator was a 20ft tall robot.

 Kojiro wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
A question to those in the know....do we even know that the T-Rex is Grimlock, and not something invented by Bay?

Yes it is Grimlock.

Note that Bay refers to him as 'a 15ft reinforced steel Tyranosaurus Rex' which isn't an unreasonable height for a t-rex, but it is less than half the height of Optimus (32 feet). This Grimlock must be over 100ft in robot mode at least. It also illustrates that either Bay has no idea of the scale of things in his movie or they simply changed it because they thought it'd be cool (along with numerous other changes), which is half the problem. Bay could make a 40k film and make space marines into US marines in space with shoulder pads and people would just say 'Stop insisting it look like the source material!'

That thing seemed to be a small joke TBH.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
That thing seemed to be a small joke TBH.

Maybe, maybe not. 15tf is the first answer you get if you google t-rex height so while the context was a joke (where you'd see a metal t-rex) the scale is clearly out. Bay is clearly aware of the size Grimlock *should* be but again, change for the sake of change (or in Bay's case 'MORE EXPLOSIONS!).