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I'm not really sure what you guys are meaning when you say norse style.
I have always pictured giants closer to how Reaper portrays them. I grew up seeing trolls portrayed soooo many different ways though. The troll under the bridge from the Three Billy Goats Gruff all the way to the weird long nosed ones from D&D or the weird furry things in Willow..
I have seen Troll Hunter (the movie) is that the type of thing you guys are talking about?

Wow. This 4 arms mutant is really something. Wasnt too sure about the first mutant shown, but this one really nails it. Guess mutants will be my first faction. Still hoping for an eventual ant man factions Slightly off topic question. Is there a big difference between castin models in metal and in resin ? Im asking cause it seems that a lot of persons seems pretty averse to metal or resin, so i guess you would maximise your sales by offering both choice

 Alpharius wrote:
I think making the SDSNRBG Project Lizard Men look like AD&D...Lizard Men would be best!

Spoiler:

Tre's preview sculpt is actually quite awesome and if they all look similar to that, well that would be fantastic!

Really? That AD&D Lizardman looks awful. Tre's sculpt looks far, far better. Unless you simply mean "not Mesoamerican" in which case, I concur.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Wow. This 4 arms mutant is really something. Wasnt too sure about the first mutant shown, but this one really nails it. Guess mutants will be my first faction. Still hoping for an eventual ant man factions Slightly off topic question. Is there a big difference between castin models in metal and in resin ? Im asking cause it seems that a lot of persons seems pretty averse to metal or resin, so i guess you would maximise your sales by offering both choice

You can't do both from the same mold and casters that do one well seem to only do one or the other. Offering models in resin and metal would increase the initial cost per model for Tre.

I really think the metal line with PVC big guys could be a great middle ground for Tre.

I too prefer Tre's Lizardmen! He's got the best parts of oldschool modeling, without it feeling too, well, oldschool

 plastictrees wrote:
I really think the metal line with PVC big guys could be a great middle ground for Tre.

I'm also wondering if this might lower the initial costs a bit, if he only commits to say a single monster in PVC and two warbands in metal to start with (and expands to four warbands if things go well).

I definitely think your unique sculpts are the way to go - if it was lizardmen versus mutants, I'd get both factions! But if only one can make it to start, I really think those Mutants should be in

Well, the key part re; Lizard-Men really was:

 Alpharius wrote:

Tre's preview sculpt is actually quite awesome and if they all look similar to that, well that would be fantastic!

...so I've no concerns there.

hahaha I am trying to avoid distracting myself from getting the Njorn Metal campaign taken care of with too much talk of the SDSP but I will say that whatever material I end up launching with there will be representatives of at least 6 factions available from the start. Whether as full faction starter lists or as merceanry ally units. The Mutants and the Lizardmen will be definties along with a third trope that I have never said anything about that i think ( desperately hope ) will make people's heads pop.

I like Reaper's Frost and Fire giants and trolls... but I like Blood Rage's ones better, and am confident Tre would do better one still.

Personally I'm not thinking fairytale style or Froud style, but the kind of monsters that Viking grandmothers would terrify their grandkids with... the Frost Giants are frightening because they're pretty much like Vikings only bigger and tougher, maybe uglier, and with that frost affinity. Fire Giants are even more badass and even more supernaturally powerful because they don't show up at all till Ragnarok. Trolls live in the mountains and will mess you up with rocks and/or evil magic.

Now WTF all this looks like, I don't quite know. But I do know I trust Tre to make it look awesome.

 MLaw wrote:
I'm not really sure what you guys are meaning when you say norse style.
I have always pictured giants closer to how Reaper portrays them. I grew up seeing trolls portrayed soooo many different ways though. The troll under the bridge from the Three Billy Goats Gruff all the way to the weird long nosed ones from D&D or the weird furry things in Willow..
I have seen Troll Hunter (the movie) is that the type of thing you guys are talking about?

Yes, the Froud look is closer to the Norse/Northern Euopean aesthetic seen in Trollhunter (love that movie) and sort of Blood Rage. Sort of big, rougher looking humans with big noses. Sort of like crude or half finished humans. I don't really know where the old AD&D lanky, rubbery troll concept comes from, maybe an attempt to distinguish them from ogres (sort of western European versions of trolls).

I personally like the crude humanoid look best, but I can understand if some don't. It does make trolls sort of cute in a way, although Trollhunter dispels a lot of that

 Alpharius wrote:
Infantry in Metal and Big Beasts in Resin (real) or PVC would work for me.

It seems as if it would be a good way to get this campaign running sooner too.

I'd go for that, especially if those mutants make an appearance. I get that Tre would be disappointed to not do the infantry in PVC, but I personally will never back a PVC/restic-related project unless there are detailed photos of final-quality production proofs(not resin casts of the master model, not the original sculpts - actual PVC proofs). It's not a comment on the people who might be running such a project in future, I've just been burned on PVC models before and refuse to be again.

I'd just be cautious about the PVC-metal thing because co-ordinating it could become a problem especially if the models are mixed into sets (as I assume they would be).

It would be frustrating to have the project held up by problems with one or other producer. But I guess that can happen anyway. Big beasties in PVC would be awesome.

I have some of Tre's Trolls btw. They're nice minis, basically like bigger versions of his Orcs. They were the first RBG minis I bought because I love Trolls.

I think doing the monsters in pvc makes the most sense. Backers will back large pic models more readily and if they come well which they likely will, it will make it easier for Tre to move the whole line to PVC once people have proof in their hands that it can be done well.

PVC might be preferable to resin or even metal (if the big stuff isn't too big)

but paying for moulds for PVC is going to go right back to the reason the last one had to be cancelled, They cost a lot of cash and have minimum runs that will cost plenty too

so you either have a high initial target (Tre can't lowball it as he doesn't have the money to pay $10-20K if the project doesn't explode) or do them as a stretch after funding the metal stuff which again will be big

and if the big beasties are a key part of the game he's got the get them out

so resin/metal is probably going to be the way to go

That's a good point Orlando - but hopefully a single model in PVC wouldn't be as expensive of a mold, even if it's a bit of a larger sculpt. The manufacturer might even offer a single cavity mold at a good price for businesses to test out their service, before committing to more expensive tooling. I'm not sure on PVC but this is definitely true for the molding I've experienced. You can go with a cheaper single cavity mold, and end up with a higher cost per part, but it's a great option if you need/want to spend a lot less on the tooling.

Just as an example for the ModCube we ended up going with only a 2 cavity mold because we paid for half of the tool upfront before running the campaign... we considered 4 and 8, but even with getting over 50,000 cube halves made in the end, it was pretty equal in final cost between a 2 and 4 cavity mold after the production run (less on the tooling, slightly more per part). This can make it a safer option to start with, and if things go well a higher number of cavities can be chosen instead since you wouldn't be tooling until after the campaign... but it gives you an option for a lower volume at lower tooling cost.

Note this again wasn't with PVC, but just sharing this in case it's helpful! I would be happy to talk about things behind the scenes Tre, although I have a feeling you have more relevant contacts that have tooled for PVC. But for a monster that you can sell at quite a high cost, you don't need the cost-per-part to be nearly so low, so could get away with a 1 or 2 cavity mold and lower initial goal.

Also, if you're offering several faction starters in metal your appeal will already be much wider, so even if the goal is a similar level it will likely get more traction!

Thread for the newly relaunched Kickstarter - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/682354.page

I feel like a tool.. I keep getting confused and thinking Redbox sells the fantasy figures with big noses.. that's Statuesque.. looks like I'm digging through RBG for some adventurers and whatnot

Also.. Tre.. I really really really really hope the faction you haven't discussed is Hobgoblins. I haven't found ANYONE that makes Hobgoblins that don't suck... Even the upcoming ones from Reaper are kinda "meh"...

Maybe a little OT but I use LOTR Uruks as Hobgoblins. I think they work pretty well in the role.

I'm guessing it's more far afield than that - I can't see hobgoblins "making people's heads pop" like Tre said above!

My favorite hobgoblins are from Heresy miniatures, btw - in spoilers below:


My favorite pure goblins are all Tre's, though, particularly the Bonebacks since they're a little bigger than his actual goblins, so more like regular goblin sized

The Heresy ones above are extremely tall for a goblin, so even though they're not listed as hobgoblins, that's what they should be called, imo!

 RiTides wrote:
I'm guessing it's more far afield than that - I can't see hobgoblins "making people's heads pop" like Tre said above!

My favorite hobgoblins are from Heresy miniatures, btw - in spoilers below:

Spoiler:

My favorite pure goblins are all Tre's, though, particularly the Bonebacks since they're a little bigger than his actual goblins, so more like regular goblin sized

The Heresy ones above are extremely tall for a goblin, so even though they're not listed as hobgoblins, that's what they should be called, imo!

I agree on the heads pop.. although.. it would probably have to be something pretty crazy to get a massive reaction.. OR.. something really popular that everyone else has already done but would prefer Tre's version of..

Thanks for the suggestion. I like to throw Andy business when I can but I'm trying to find ones that look more like the more modern interpretations from D&D. Goblins, Hobgoblins, Bugbears.. there's actually a kind of progression. Unlike GW's fluff where goblins and orcs are related(ish).

Tre's Bonebacks are the only Goblins of his that I don't have. I must order some from Hasslefree when the second set come back in stock!

I love the smaller goblins he does though. They're on my "to paint" list for the second half of this year. Once I get a skin tone worked out for them.

 Da Boss wrote:
Tre's Bonebacks are the only Goblins of his that I don't have. I must order some from Hasslefree when the second set come back in stock!

I love the smaller goblins he does though. They're on my "to paint" list for the second half of this year. Once I get a skin tone worked out for them.

There's actually another 4 bonebacks, the original ones, that we plan on bringing back, plus a boneback spellcaster.

Whaaaat!? That spellcaster! I have all 8 bonebacks, but didn't even know that model existed.

Is there any way at all to buy one? I'm actually sending out my bonebacks to be painted as part of a converted abyssal dwarf army next week, and would love to include that one!

 RiTides wrote:
Whaaaat!? That spellcaster! I have all 8 bonebacks, but didn't even know that model existed.

Is there any way at all to buy one? I'm actually sending out my bonebacks to be painted as part of a converted abyssal dwarf army next week, and would love to include that one!

There are 12 bonebacks, the 4 I mentioned were out at the same time as the spellcaster.

I'll see if we have any spare. PM incoming.

weren't the bear riders bonebacks too?

I've got the rest but they were always out of stock whenever I remembered to try buying them anywhere

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
weren't the bear riders bonebacks too?

I've got the rest but they were always out of stock whenever I remembered to try buying them anywhere

Yea, there was a boneback riding a bear.

Yup, working on resurrecting that too

Ah I totally forgot how many sculpts there were! I had nabbed 20 and the bear rider, will definitely post up pics in this thread when they are painted shortly (not by me, but that's a good thing )

Would love to include the spellcaster in that batch so here's hoping! Replied to the PM Artemis and if you are able to resurrect the other boneback sculpts that aren't currently being offered, I would love to get more. That bear rider is one of my all-time favorite minis!

you know I have always intedned to expand the goblins again with more bonebacks. The bear rider was suppoed to be unique though.

Maybe I could revisit that idea again.

Well I would certainly not be opposed . But I do think resurrecting your old sculpts, and then focusing on the new universe and new factions you have sculpted and come up with for this project (any name pending other than "SDSP" ) is the way to go. Those mutants have gotten a fantastic response!