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It would be nice if the crates had the Dead Zone equipment inserts. The resin ones available are nice (I have a set) but a cheaper plastic alternative would be cool, especially as you really need two of the resin sets to replace all the counters.
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Update #10 Feb 23 2014 - Stretch Goal Smashed! New: Frenzy Video and Kalyshi Background!
Spoiler:
We’ve just broken through another stretch goal, funding the tooling and sculpts for the new poses. These upgrade the Asterian and Convict team with new and characterful figures, increasing the amount of choice and variety in a team. It’s a good day to be an Asterian or Convict coach!
Frenzy - what's that all about?
The Frenzy pledge level is a new concept for us, executed beautifully on other Kickstarters we’ve looked at. We have a reputation for pumping our pledge levels full of free stuff, but it can be hard to know what that looks like 21 days before the end.
So, what we’ve done is put together this enthusiast video, designed to give you a good idea on just what we’ve done in the past, and what we’re going to be doing over the course of this campaign. Over to James and Ronnie! Video with the chaps
Note that everything in this video is being used as proxies to represent the sheer amount of stuff we’re going to be doing. Getting every 16 player team and all of the MVPs is just the beginning for Frenzy so we hope you stick with us right until the end!
Negotiations
“My guys are all out of your price range,” stated Mesut flatly, putting his tankard down - the alien who had turned up at his bar requesting to see “the goods” was making him uneasy.
“I can assure you ZhaoTek can more than meet the asking price,” smiled Ardia.
Mesut chuckled. “Really? Hamat killed three of Plalt’s guys last week, Jimen broke that Hulk’s arm mid-week and Ceno is currently the top scorer in five different sectors. What makes you think I’d sell them to a bunch of suits?” He banged his hand down on the table.
Ardia didn’t need to turn around to know that the pair had just been joined by some other guests - Mesut had a reputation amongst the Brokkrs when it came to aliens of the female variety.
Removing Arcadon’s leash, she simply smiled again. “I’m sure we can come to an arrangement.”
On Teams
Xtreme teams are a collection of individuals who play for a variety of reasons, not just for money. It could be freedom, it could be for pride – it could be to demonstrate product to potential buyers, or it could be to settle old scores.
From a pure, dedicated starting team to a mixed bag of alien and robot freebooters, to a full compliment of 16 players designed to give you the maximum number of every player type, DreadBall Teams are the bread and butter of the game. Pick the one that suits your playstyle the best, the one you like the look of most or the one that simply gets you excited inside.
My favorite of the two starting teams are the Asterian Kalyshi - not only are the models gorgeous, they have a rich background as well:
The Asterians are one of the most ancient races in the galaxy, a noble culture of great intricacy that has plied the stars since long before mankind had even taken its first steps away from the surface of Old Earth. Their ways are baffling to most humans, and they generally do what they can to stay away from direct contact with the realms of man, although this is becoming increasingly difficult for them as the ever-expanding GCPS encroaches into their territory.
The Asterians’ reluctance to make contact has led certain Corporations to develop something of an obsession with them. They do everything in their power to seek out these mysterious aliens, going to great lengths in their attempts to contact them - or even capture them. How successful they have actually been is a closely guarded secret, but the Asterians playing DreadBall under the DGB’s watchful eye are entirely the product of these Corporations. It is unclear whether they are clones, carefully disguised automatons or simply players who have undergone intensive prosthesis, but in any case they are almost certainly not true Asterians.
However, they are not the only ones playing DreadBall to lay claim to that name. There is an entirely separate group making a name for itself on the illegal circuits, and they seem to have nothing in common with the sanitised “Asterians” that treat the neodurium in the Core. These pale-skinned creatures, with their bestial tattoos and wild hair, are in fact part of a sub-set of Asterian society known as the Tu’var ho Kalysh, or simply “the Kalyshi”. They represent a growing wave of those that have chosen to return to what they see as the “natural” state of their people. Their belief is that the current path chosen by Asterians as a whole, one dominated by technology and the philosophical concept of Unity, is one that will lead to stagnation and eventually extinction. They are a wild people, bound less by ritual than their more “civilised” peers, with closer ties to the aggressive religious doctrine that threads throughout Asterian history. They also see less of a threat in the burgeoning human realm, seeing the rise of man as simply part of the great galactic plan.
As a group, the Kalyshi vary much more than the Asterian mainstream, and their ways can seem brutal to outsiders. Theirs is a martial culture, with members of all three genders learning to fight as soon as they can walk. Now, representatives from several of their clans have begun to make themselves known on the illicit DreadBall circuit, seeing it as a fitting challenge for their greatest warriors. It is not clear whether they know of the so-called Asterian teams that have been sanctioned by the DGB, but it is unlikely that they do not. Many have speculated that one of their motivations for entering the arena is to warn the Corporations that they are aware of the sham they are perpetrating, and that their mockery will not go unpunished.
Next Stretch Goal: $290,000 – Xtreme Acrylic Counters
The Xtreme Boxed Game includes a card counter sheet packed full of action tokens, injury counters, slippery blood splats (for when a player dies horribly!) money, betting chips, status counters and your usual rush and score counters.
We want to produce a set of high quality, hard wearing acrylic counters that will stand the rigors of gaming, and with your help we can work with our third party provider to produce a gorgeous set of Acrylic Counters.
If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce a set of DreadBall Xtreme Acrylic Counters that you can add-on to your pledge for an additional $15.
In addition, we’ll produce a second set with an exclusive Frenzy icon on and include them free in the Frenzy Pledge Level ($375 and Early Bird)!
And finally...
Here's a closer look at the robots from the Free Agents set!
Note that you can add additional sets on for just $15, and we've also made the hard plastic Scenery Pack available as well. Get more crates and more strike posts by raising your pledge $5!
Have at it guys - just $5K until the next one!
9 free agents for $15 seems decent value, and yeah that scenery pack looks like it could be worth adding on a couple!
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I think these things are going to become increasingly skewed towards the first day and the last 3 days, people know what the deal is with them and make a big pledge day 1 then come back to it in the last few days.
I think these things are going to become increasingly skewed towards the first day and the last 3 days, people know what the deal is with them and make a big pledge day 1 then come back to it in the last few days.
True. Given the demand for Deadzone compatibility, a fairly high percentage of backers appear to be "returning Kickstarter-customers", if not from original DreadBall, than from Deadzone (many maybe MA).
I'd kill to know how many truly new Mantic Customers they have and how many are the clientele they've grown themselves, that'll return to (almost) every KS they do.
Put me into the "almost every KS" category. I backed a dollar to MA, only to unlock Blaine, Edwin, bought DZ terrain to get it earlier than 2nd shipment, and a couple of bugs because "why not"? No legit MA stuff though. Also ignored Tarot of Loka, although that was only sponsored by Mantic. I went in for a few hundred on KoW, $90 early bird for Loka, $200 on DZ (With more to follow), and couple hundred on DB: all teams except Sirens and Zees, skipped ultimate and bought it later. I've also bought a ton of Mantic stuff at retail. So...definite returning customer, but I don't get everything. Just almost everything.
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I went in big for KoW, and ended up not backing anything since (came very close with dreadball, and considered strongly deadzone). I keep an eye on all their kickstarters, so I would fit as a return customer, but not someone who backs all their kickstarters. I'm in at this point, but I'll evaluate this at the end of the campaign and see if it's worth it.
scarletsquig wrote: Well second day figures in for Kicktraq... this one has had a huge first day, but a smaller second day than Deadzone.
I think these things are going to become increasingly skewed towards the first day and the last 3 days, people know what the deal is with them and make a big pledge day 1 then come back to it in the last few days.
Well, that's the thing when they front-load it so hard with Early Birds. Plus if you miss out on an EB spot there's really no reason to jump on board till the end. I considered getting a $350 spot just in case, but there were 5 left when I went to log in. When I got on they were all gone, so I didn't bother at all (and I won't for more than $350). Even that would have left me with a $150 and a $350 needing to drop one or the other...
Yeah, I can understand some of the reasons for having multiple early birds for multiple tiers, but it really doesn't end up being very consumer-friendly! If you're not lucky enough to, say, have internet access from work to Kickstarter within an hour-long window of the project launching, then you've probably lost the opportunity for any anyway, but even if you do you then have to either 1) make a snap-judgement based on almost no information, or 2) make multiple pledges on multiple accounts, which (when you're dealing with $300-$400 pledges) serves to massively distort the actual amount pledged to the project!
In addition, if you offer pledges that are entirely contingent on stretch goals to deliver value, you either end up in situations like Shadows of Brimstone where you overfund and have to keep on increasing the price of the tier, leading to a backlash from people who are being asked to pay up to 50% more than earlier backers, or the project underfunds, the tier fails to become worthwhile. and people drop it leading to a massive backslide.
Either way, I think the only pledge systems that work are ones that have people pledging what they're actually willing to pay when the project ends, rather than speculating with multiple accounts, and Mantic's last couple of Kickstarters have not encouraged this.
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2014/02/23 16:18:50
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
Mantic's campaigns have all been very successful. True backsliding is rare whereas early birds are common. It's a good way to get money into the campaign early, rather than hoping a slow build-up does the job. I'd confidently say early birds end up with higher backing in the end, making it better for backers and for the project creator in the long run.
2014/02/23 16:43:40
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
I've done the adding up of RRP totals thing that everyone likes to see in these KS threads and added it to the OP. There's a little uncertainty in the figures, since I'm making the assume that Rampage without stretch goals is worth $150 in itself. $85 of that is confirmed (boxed game and MVP), leaving $65 to be made up out of the multiplayer expansion (which will include all the giants unlocked in this campaign as standard, just like DB Ultimate), the player handbook and the sponsor pack... sounds about right to me.
Currently Rampage is $210 worth of stuff for $150, and Frenzy is $240 worth of stuff for $375.
Edit: Frenzy has been confirmed to be like Mine Cart... after the current lot of 500 has sold out, the next batch will be at a higher price.
If you have any potential interest in Frenzy, I recommend making a second KS account to park on a Frenzy level now, then at the end of the campaign drop the one you don't want.
No point waiting around for the price to go up.
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2014/02/23 16:54:34
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
Mr.Church13 wrote: They sure are taking long stretches without new teams. And with the brokkerz inevitably being the next team, this is like torture. Baaah!
Just for comparison, when Dreadball was at $290k they had seven teams unlocked.
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2014/02/23 17:44:15
Subject: Re:Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
But the fun of playing the numbers game on Mantic's side is that when things get slow, they can throw another team with a low unlock level (like 5k away or something). I'm sure Mantic have projections of where they want this to be by a certain day, and they definitely know how to add fuel to the flames in order to get there.
After watching that video and confirming that a Frenzy is a Minecart all over again, it will be interesting to see how much sliding around people do. Brimstone had most of its sliding going upwards, as people saw that the minecart really was the way to go for completionists.
Ronnie's comments about the possibility of 12, 14, or 16 teams depending on funding... that's a lot of teams. That's going to be a lot of figures. When we start getting close to the end and they start showing off the "This is what you get!" type photos, it's going to be crazy looking!
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
I thought about parking a separate account at Frenzy, but then I had a close look at the original 12 Dreadball teams (I don't own any Dreadball stuff currently outside of a Dozer figure and Marie van Helder from the Christmas box). I'd only want to buy about half of those 12 teams based on the sculpts, and if that ratio holds true for Extreme (which seems a good bet), Frenzy would end up dumping a ton of sculpts on me that I wouldn't end up wanting to paint or use.
On the other hand, Rampage is looking more and more like the perfect pledge level for me.
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2014/02/23 18:32:27
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
Man. I'm not even sure I want 400 minis. Even if they're like a dollar or less a piece. I have sooo many as it is. At least you don't technically have to paint these. I'll let them impress me and if I go crazy maybe I'll snipe out a dropped frenzy on the last couple of days. Or drop rampage altogether and get some more battlezones on the DZ survey
2014/02/23 18:42:50
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
scarletsquig wrote: Should be around 300-400 minis in Frenzy by the end depending on how many teams get unlocked.
Not sure if they'll get to 16 teams, they'll easily get to 12 though.
12 teams of 16 figures is just under 200. Even with MVP/free agents, and auxiliary figures like sponsors and cheerleaders, 400 may be a bit high. Even 300 may be a bit high.
Kind of related, what purpose do sponsor figures serve for the game?
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2014/02/23 18:45:37
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
^ 20 figures per team once the 4 prones are unlocked and included.
And the potential for 16 teams if it goes really far has been mentioned. Plus all the MVPS/ sponsors/ free agents/ giants etc.
Sponsors are probably just decoration more than anything else, much like cheerleaders or coaches for dreadball. You can use them to track the score instead of a counter if you like.
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2014/02/23 18:54:20
Subject: Re:Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
I assume your sponsor will enable/enhance certain actions. If there's one to rile the crowd and get them to attack the opposing team, or let more of your guys sneak onto the field etc.. sponsors will probably modify such things. Best guess, at least.
The Yndij and Zee are amazing I'm considering dropping my Rampage pledge and backing this for the crates, free agents, and crazy aliens Maybe pick up a plague team for conversion fodder. We'll see though, they usually stuff the sweet spot pledge to the gills with goodies, possibly enough such that I would get everything I'd pick up on the side included, plus loads of other stuff.
The Yndij and Zee make me think of a new faction for Deadzone/warpath universe... they look like RebRebs. They don't fight for a cause.. just profit. Still would see them in a deadzone, but they aren't there to bring down the corporations, they just want another score. A rebs faction that's even more rag tag and alien friendly. Shiny.
2014/02/23 21:41:44
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $315k stretch goal: Dead Man Davitz, Plague MVP
lord_blackfang wrote: How many teams can we expect, realistically, to get in the $150 pledge? So far it's 2+1 and that's not looking super hot compared to Deadzone's 4+1.
I think it will probably be 4. The base 2 and 2 of our choosing. Thats just a guess on my part.
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Squig keeps saying it may be something like 4-6 bonus teams after the main box... but we'll see. I would rely on at least 2, hope for 4. If it's more I simply won't have an excuse to drop my pledge.