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 AlexHolker wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Two, now I really want a Kingdom Death-based DreadBall team.

Hmm... I wonder how hard it would be talk them into making a HIPS sprue of sexy sci-fi gangers, with arm options for Dreadball and Necromunda.

From the way you were talking about the Asterian models earlier, maybe they should release an add-on sprue with bigger butts on it?

 scarletsquig wrote:
It isn't the first time that people have complained about Mantic lowering the price of something, I've seen it happen a lot.

To be fair, this is a feth up on Mantic's part. I could care less about them lowering a price, that is a GOOD thing. But today, the MA pledges are still open with the Martian team at $20. To offer them during another KS at the same time for $5 less was stupid and a kick to the groin to anyone who already did their MA pledge manager. Selling something at two different prices at the same time isn't a good move, especially if the higher price is the folks who funded the damned product development.

 Zweischneid wrote:


The implicit Kickstarter-deal is broken, if somebody somewhere gets a "better deal" than you on Kickstarter, or an exclusive mini that you thought was not for them to have.

In Bones 1, they had 2 elementals (which were 30$+ in metal) for 15$ for rock/tree elementals.

When bones hit retail, each elemental was like 5.95$ and easily obtainable for a further discount.

People flipped their gak like I have never seen over the KS price being higher than 'elsewhere'.

Do we still think that the original Dreadball game board will be done on the mousemat material at some point? That's really the only thing I want to add on to my pledge.

Several companies produce mousepad-type DB pitches for the original game.

privateer4hire wrote:
Several companies produce mousepad-type DB pitches for the original game.

Links?

I posted a little rant earlier about Mantic setting stretch goals too far apart. Fortunately, none of you handed my butt to me and I was able to figure out the following on my own:

Stretch goals for MVPs, formerly $15,000, are now $10,000.

Stretch goals for teams, formerly $25,000, are now $20,000.

Maybe this is common knowledge - I'm far from the most observant poster here - but I didn't see it remarked upon. Anyhow, good sign that Mantic are adjusting their strategy.

May just be me, but they could lower that a bit still.

 CptJake wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
Several companies produce mousepad-type DB pitches for the original game.

Links?

Sorry but not gonna post specific links.
Not going to get banned (already on notice for posting Slaughterball updates)

Folks can find these info on mousepad mat pitches checking Mantic's forums and Board Game Geek.

 CptJake wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
Several companies produce mousepad-type DB pitches for the original game.

Links?

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/984795/printable-new-custom-pitches-300-dpi-for-dreadball

http://www.ff-fields.com/?page_id=1488

First one looks like it's fanmade. Second one is officially licenced from Mantic.

I think they're probably still designing the mousemat pitch - all the mats are 2' square so they'll have to put spaces for cards etc round the side.

Either that or they're holding back the announcement for the 'slump' to gain a bit of fresh momentum.

 Riquende wrote:
Either that or they're holding back the announcement for the 'slump' to gain a bit of fresh momentum.

They're in the slump. At the rate they're going they're only going to have six teams unlocked by the time they hit the last stretch, and if that happens, it's game over.

Fair enough. I pledged on day one and I don't follow the day-to-day progress of such projects, just check back on the last weekend to adjust the pledge.

I just know that I'm getting projects updates every day or so so I figured progress was still being made.

Here's the daily data. At $50k per team, ~$7k per day only gives one team per week. This would be survivable, if Mantic hadn't been pre-selling their pre-orders with things like Early Birds and limited availability Frenzy slots. It's kind of like a miniature version of the GFC, with derivatives of derivatives forming an increasingly fragile foundation for the stability of your plans.

Mars Attacks had a ton of $5k stretch goals on the last day giving out free stuff, in fact most of the freebies at the $150 level were added in the last 3 days.

It would be kinda nice if the next lot of stretches up to $500k focused on getting 3 new teams + a few other bits sorted, those Frenzy pledges really do need filling up with minis.

I think Mantic can fund another 4 teams on the last day, but ideally they'll want to go into it with 8 already sorted.

Interesting to note that this KS has an upper cap on the number of backers, there are 3000 Rampage levels in total, and 700 Frenzy levels. Might be possible that they wanted to keep the print run down to 5000 copies.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I think Mantic can fund another 4 teams on the last day, but ideally they'll want to go into it with 8 already sorted.

They already promised the Frenzy backers twelve. If it's the last day and they're still only getting eight, they're going to pull out.

They only added that Rampage limit in the last few days - although I recall that they added a similar limit for the first Dreadball when it proved to be incredibly popular, adding in later-shipping waves when the first one filled. Of course, that Kickstarter didn't have multiple EBs/limited-slot levels to camp!

Regarding what to focus on: it's an interesting one. Teams are by far the easiest way to pump up the value of Frenzy - another 16-20 models being added each time. MVPs/Free Agents are cheap enough to produce to add to the lower levels for free, but too many of those and Frenzy ceases to look attractive. Stuff outside either category (tokens, additional scenery, original Dreadball board in mousemat form etc.) will add value to Frenzy, but won't lead to nearly as much money added-on to the lower levels.

And of course, Kickstarter aside, it's important to consider what to prioritise for retail! The more teams you have, the more attractive the game as a whole becomes, but people might only buy 1-2 teams each and the profit margin is lower on these boxes vs. individual blisters. MVPs and fancy accessories are where I imagine there's a ton of profit to be made (almost any team can use them, they retail for proportionately more) but I think the game looks a bit 'diluted' if there's too many of them vs. the number of teams.

The bonus to Rampage has the added (unintended) effect of making Frenzy look a bit worse in comparison.

If we do get to 12 teams, you'll now be able to go Rampage + 6 six teams to get all the teams for $240 pledged.

Okay, not 16 mini teams, but you might not need them, or might choose to not get some teams and double up on your favourite ones instead, there's some flexibility there rather than a mass-spend to get everything in the entire range.

The $200-$250 level really is where most backers end up at, the $150 level + a few add-ons they like.

I'm surprised Mantic didn't experiment with a $225 or $250 level, it would have been much easier to fill up than Frenzy.

Frenzy is seeming more and more like Rampage + fixed add-on bundle with small discount stacked on top, rather than "Triple Rampage". I'm fairly certain they'll fill up their 700 slots, but I can't see anyone who is carefully doing the math on this rather than "click and forget" wanting to stay on there.

I'll most likely stay in, but only because the £ is nice and high against the dollar currently, £82 for my EB Rampage is not bad at all and doesn't make a murderous dent in the bank account. Then when it arrives I can sell off bits and pieces of it until I've reduced the total wallet hit down to £50 or so. Not bad for a game.

And of course, I got into Mars Attacks for a paltry £10 investment for a ton of stuff (spent the bulk of the credit on battlezones which I was going to add on the DZ survey/ buy retail anyway), then added the $50 expansion and a couple of KS exclusives to hit $200 and qualify for the free hardback).

There is a lot to be said for the value of these things as long as you play them smartly, see where the 60-70% discounts are happening and focus on them, then sell off unwanted parts on arrival to recoup some of the spend.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I'll most likely stay in, but only because the £ is nice and high against the dollar currently

I'll shank you m8.

I'll stay in at EB Rampage for 6+ teams (don't mind "mini-teams"), MVPs, and Giants, all of which I can work into Deadzone or Warpath in one way or another. True, I don't care overmuch for the bundled Asterians, but I didn't care for the bundled Marauders or 3rd Gen Plague or Mars Attacks survivor faction either, and those all ended up being good deals anyway. And hey, this game may actually end up being good, too! This campaign has no credit system, so it's not going to turn into another Mars Attacks opportunity to back one game while spending your pledge money on another, but there's enough here to like that I that I'm not too bothered by that.

What I'd really like to see is a free Dreadball Xtreme hardback compendium given out to backers pledging at least $200, as they did for Mars Attacks, in which case I'd raise my pledge accordingly.

I never wanted to go in for Frenzy and don't see it happening, but I hope Mantic go on a Frenzy blitz soon for the good of the campaign. I agree with Alex - they'll need to deliver on at least 12 teams if they want to avoid a meltdown on the last day.

Yeah, they need to show me it's worth staying at Frenzy, because I am NOT seeing it currently. Especially after Rampage got their extra teams.

We've still only seen one giant at this point too. Need more of those.

There's still those rumored acrylic/ mdf pitches or customizable pieces that have been rumored. Maybe those would be included?

I, too, see no reason for frenzy. It seems like a waste, at the moment. I went in for an EB rampage, knowing I can pull the pledge if I need/want later, and I'm not sure yet if I am even staying in at this point. I guess we'll see, I just don't think the value is there for me yet.

Well on the plus side, they've confirmed that the Sphyr will be getting a giant for their team, and we've got some add ons coming in the very near future.

You gotta work a bit harder to make me want to spend my money Mantic! Snap to it!

I'd say all they need to do is make these actual things instead of keeping us in the dark and just saying we'll get there.

If they don't get the value up and hit more teams BEFORE the last day, the backslide before hand will kill any momentum they hope to have for a finishing rush.

Oooh, a *giant* shark-man? Spiffy. I would say kraken but that's too close to the other giant imo.

Time for everyone sitting on both Early Birds to start dropping out, maybe the backslide will make Mantic panic enough to start just throwing freebies at people. It's worked every time so far!

So it looks like Season 5s teams are Brokkrs, Crystallans. Rebs and Syphrs if I interpret Mantics post correctly - Ronnie did previously mention Rebs at $500k but I can't see them stringing out Season 5 for another $125k the way it's currently going,

That prison dz terrain set up in the latest update is pretty interesting. Curious as to how many sprues/bzs are in it, the aw components are liable to drive up the price/ lower the quantity of stuff included for the price... but they do good work and the whole point of it is to be an aesthetic upgrade.

Wonder if people jump on it. Certainly not frenzy backers, uneless they drop down or something.

If I wanted the prison, I'd have to drop down. Or add it in the pledge manager if Frenzy truly does end up becoming a ridiculous deal.

Update #22 excerpt:

This will require assembly – a degree of modeling skill is most certainly required – and comes complete with a set of resin antennociti accessories, a 2’x2’ single piece MDF pitch, acrylic doors, as well as a loads of scenery sprues (roughly 3 Battlezones - 12 sprues plus connectors and accessory sprues - worth for the Deadzone connoisseurs out there!) so that you can build something similar!

3 Bzs for 175 huh? And the MDF pitch, and the AW stuff. Wonder if the BZs are in that set as KS prices or their $40 retail. Trying to discern how much weight the AW bits are pulling. I'm sure the value is there, just dissecting it.