Imperial Knights - Codex Preview Video 03/03 - Gasp! Probably worth watching!

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**Goliath**

azreal13 wrote:
Because I've finding these side by side comparisons helpful..

Undoubtedly a different artist, almost certainly a different, probably digital, technique, but aesthetically bang on song.

The fonts are different though; the codex hover has serifs, whereas the WD style font has none.

**Jehan-reznor**

Would be nice if it would be true. But as long as i don't see a true model , i will ignore it.

**Azreal13**

It is still very much a 'GW' font though.

EDIT

Can anyone actually recall the last time we got an image like this and it wasnt the real thing?

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Really not sure how anyone is seeing that as anything other than a model. Okay it is a really poor pic, but you can clearly see that the gun barrel is painted plastic. Also pretty sure that building behind it was in White Dwarf a while back.. it was a side project by one of the Studio staff.

The angle, photo glare is confusing the issue, but I'd bet my Guard army that that is the model. I don't even think there is any effects at play here, its just an awful pic, like all the other leaked ones last year which then had perfectly clear shots turn up a week later.

Seriously, I had nagging doubts before, now I really am starting to think someone at GW is leaking these either to Troll us, or at some half borked attempt at marketing.

**Lockark**

To me it looks like they painted the buildings in the background. They don't look like photos to me.

**jonolikespie**

So I still have pretty much 0 interest in playing 40k and I really dislike some of the aesthetic choices, like this one, GW/FW have made recently in regards to moderniseing older models/artwork but DAMN.
If this gives me an excuse to get together a platoon of dreamforge troops and 3 leviathans I may not be able to resist.

**Commander Cain**

Well darn, here's me thinking I won't have to buy any more GW stuff for a while... Look at that beauty!

**Scrub**

Ultra crappy photos of the Space Marine release were out in the wild significantly earlier than usual, now we have a pretty crap shot of what would be a big seller for Imperial players so I wouldn't at all be surprised to find if this was the real deal. I've never seen a fake convince this many people or cast doubts for so long anyway.

Looking forward to seeing more!

**shasolenzabi**

I think the Leviathan Crusader from Dreamforge has put a fire under GW's collective backsides

**Azreal13**

Scrub wrote:
Ultra crappy photos of the Space Marine release were out in the wild significantly earlier than usual, now we have a pretty crap shot of what would be a big seller for Imperial players so I wouldn't at all be surprised to find if this was the real deal. I've never seen a fake convince this many people or cast doubts for so long anyway.

Looking forward to seeing more!

40K Radio attributed this to the same source as their Marine leak too..

**H.B.M.C.**

Right, well, now that we've finished yelling at one another over the veracity of a bad photograph, there's this from Natfka:

My FLGS had a copy of the Imperial Knights WD drop in from the warp. Had the stats for the Knight Paladin and Knight Errant inside.

(Superheavy walkers, not MCs, which is kind of a relief considering I've had enough MCs for a fething lifetime. Yes, this means they get Stomp, Hammer of Wrath, and all that bull.)

Paladin: 375 cost, Errant is 370. Both are AV13 front armor and 6 HP, with a 4+ invul on one facing that you choose during opponent's Shooting (but not CC or overwatch). WS, BS and I4, A3 with a strength D chainsword. Paladin is armed with a 2-shot battle cannon, and Errant has a S9 36" large blast melta. Hilariously, the Errant has a single heavy stubber, while the Paladin has 2(!!).

So, the LGS owner did a crazy thing and proxied 5 of them using Riptides against a CSM player. Promptly proceeded to murder all 9 deep-striking oblits, all the cultists, and the suicide terminator squad (Let it be said, the ability to position the deflector shield *after* movement is finished is pretty damn powerful...). Only lost because of the Chaos Spawn and HQ hid on the second level of a ruin, and the 2 Heldrakes having ridiculously good luck on their Vector Strike rolls."

I have bolded the parts I edited to remove the infuriating “It costs 10 and a half Rhinos + the square root of a Land Raider” nonsense. Just list points values people… Jesus.

Assuming these rumours are true then it's yet another highly over-costed super-heavy. Yay.

**shasolenzabi**

Also, the idea that they will change the name from Imperial Guard to Astra Militarium "Space Army" translating their cheezy atin-lay, so instead of the referential and well known IG we have to have the confusion of figuring out describing AM as either their space army or their tech adepts?

**Slayer le boucher**

Soooooo, a Super heavy huh?...again...

So no buy no play, move along thanks.

**insaniak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Paladin: 375 cost, Errant is 370. Both are AV13 front armor and 6 HP, with a 4+ invul on one facing that you choose during opponent's Shooting (but not CC or overwatch). WS, BS and I4, A3 with a strength D chainsword. Paladin is armed with a 2-shot battle cannon, and Errant has a S9 36" large blast melta. Hilariously, the Errant has a single heavy stubber, while the Paladin has 2(!!).

...
Assuming these rumours are true then it's yet another highly over-costed super-heavy. Yay.

Yeah, without doing any maths, I would have expected something with that sort of profile to be around the cost of a Land Raider ... Maybe slightly more.

Still, other than the cost, it sounds surprisingly cool. I like the idea of the mobile shield.

And if the pic is the model, kudos to GW for finally getting back on track, design-wise. Because that's exactly what I would have expected for a 40K Knight. Looks awesome.

**Azreal13**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Right, well, now that we've finished yelling at one another over the veracity of a bad photograph, there's this from Natfka:

My FLGS had a copy of the Imperial Knights WD drop in from the warp. Had the stats for the Knight Paladin and Knight Errant inside.

(Superheavy walkers, not MCs, which is kind of a relief considering I've had enough MCs for a fething lifetime. Yes, this means they get Stomp, Hammer of Wrath, and all that bull.)

Paladin: 375 cost, Errant is 370. Both are AV13 front armor and 6 HP, with a 4+ invul on one facing that you choose during opponent's Shooting (but not CC or overwatch). WS, BS and I4, A3 with a strength D chainsword. Paladin is armed with a 2-shot battle cannon, and Errant has a S9 36" large blast melta. Hilariously, the Errant has a single heavy stubber, while the Paladin has 2(!!).

So, the LGS owner did a crazy thing and proxied 5 of them using Riptides against a CSM player. Promptly proceeded to murder all 9 deep-striking oblits, all the cultists, and the suicide terminator squad (Let it be said, the ability to position the deflector shield *after* movement is finished is pretty damn powerful...). Only lost because of the Chaos Spawn and HQ hid on the second level of a ruin, and the 2 Heldrakes having ridiculously good luck on their Vector Strike rolls."

I have bolded the parts I edited to remove the infuriating “It costs 10 and a half Rhinos + the square root of a Land Raider” nonsense. Just list points values people… Jesus.

Assuming these rumours are true then it's yet another highly over-costed super-heavy. Yay.

Oh for fething feths sake.

Why the feth couldn't they just fething write some rules that meant I could actually justify buying a model I thought was cool and use it games without feeling like a fething tool?

I mean, the Wraithknight and Riptide are fairly cheesy, but at least that can be mitigated by only taking them in limited numbers, even one of these in 40K is going to be a fething snow job on unprepared opponents, and seeing as nearly all my games of 40K are pick up games, that's pretty much all of them

Congrats GW, you took a good idea and fethed it up the arse again.

**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah, not being an MC when the Wraithknight and the Riptide are is really galling.

**Azreal13**

Well, the Superheavy rules and strength D CC weapon probably means that they'll take out their fair share of MCs fairly quick.

**insaniak**

What does being a SUperheavy do for him these days? I don't have Escalation.

**Azreal13**

Ignores all damage results other than explodes, except for the removal of HPs, if you do roll an explodes result, you lose a further number (D3+1?) of HPs

Can move 12", fire all weapons regardless of anything, at different targets for each weapon, D3 stomp attacks at I step 1 which are essentially small blast D weapons.

This thing will be across the board and in assault range by turn 2, and swinging its D strength Chainsword at anything it cares to stop your opponent enjoying.

**Swastakowey**

azreal13 wrote:
Ignores all damage results other than explodes, except for the removal of HPs, if you do roll an explodes result, you lose a further number (D3+1?) of HPs

I think it means that when they explode, they explode with a huge bang.

**Kirasu**

They're almost like MCs in that they don't suffer any real damage except death, but they can die to someone rolling 2 6s to damage.

At best they have 6 wounds with no armor save and T9 if you're comparing them to a MC.

Not exactly very compelling for 375 pts. Oh well, Strength D cc weapon is great vs big things

**insaniak**

azreal13 wrote:
Ignores all damage results other than explodes, except for the removal of HPs, if you do roll an explodes result, you lose a further number (D3+1?) of HPs

Huh. Ok, that does force a slight revision upwards of the effectiveness of this thing. Still doesn't seem too unbalanced for the points cost, though.

**tomjoad**

IF this is true (a big "if," mind) I'd like to thank GW for saving me a few bucks, and I aplogize to Dreamforge that I probably won't be buying anything from them after all.

**Azreal13**

Swastakowey wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Ignores all damage results other than explodes, except for the removal of HPs, if you do roll an explodes result, you lose a further number (D3+1?) of HPs

I think it means that when they explode, they explode with a huge bang.

No, it means when they lose their last hull point they explode with a big bang, like what it says in the rules.

**H.B.M.C.**

Yes, just this game needs - more Strength D.

**Azreal13**

insaniak wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Ignores all damage results other than explodes, except for the removal of HPs, if you do roll an explodes result, you lose a further number (D3+1?) of HPs

Huh. Ok, that does force a slight revision upwards of the effectiveness of this thing. Still doesn't seem too unbalanced for the points cost, though.

See edit!

**Swastakowey**

azreal13 wrote:
Swastakowey wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Ignores all damage results other than explodes, except for the removal of HPs, if you do roll an explodes result, you lose a further number (D3+1?) of HPs

I think it means that when they explode, they explode with a huge bang.

No, it means when they lose their last hull point they explode with a big bang, like what it says in the rules.

Exactly, when they explode they explode with a huge bang, I never mentioned charts or anything, I just said they make big explosions when they die. I use my malcador defender for that one rule.

**H.B.M.C.**

It's like the Macharius - over 100 points more than something that has better armour, better weapons and can transport troops.

**insaniak**

azreal13 wrote:
... fire all weapons regardless of anything, at different targets for each weapon,

When they only have a single main gun and a heavy stubber or two, that's not really devastating.

It seems that just spreading out a couple of heavy support units at opposite ends of your deployment zone (to get around the single-facing shield) would see it come unstuck fairly quickly.

**Azreal13**

Swastakowey wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Swastakowey wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Ignores all damage results other than explodes, except for the removal of HPs, if you do roll an explodes result, you lose a further number (D3+1?) of HPs

I think it means that when they explode, they explode with a huge bang.

No, it means when they lose their last hull point they explode with a big bang, like what it says in the rules.

Exactly, when they explode they explode with a huge bang, I never mentioned charts or anything, I just said they make big explosions when they die. I use my malcador defender for that one rule.

Right, it read more like you were disagreeing with my post, rather than just adding to it.