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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Pacific wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
The more I compare pics of these, the Dreadknight, and the Wraithknight, the more I think that even GW couldn't have the bare-faced cheek to charge £70 for each of these new models.

It's only marginally bigger than the Dreadknight, most of that in the torso section. Given their change to raising prices with new releases, I could see them going to £40(DK's are £33), maybe £50 if they're throwing some GW bizarro-logic about it being "worth" more because it's a super heavy or somesuch, but £70? That would be the final confirmation, if any were needed, that GW have practically drowned in their own kool-aid.


If I were a betting man, I would say at the very least £70.

Could easily see them pushing £80 or £90 for this, they know people will buy it regardless.



Will they though? In enough numbers for GW to make a justifiably large RoI? That's getting into the range of three times as much as the Dreadknight, for a model that isn't that much larger and which will have similar numbers of options on the sprues. Even I struggle to muster enough cynicism about people's willingness to be conned to believe they'd be truly stupid enough to get ripped off that badly. Especially when they can look at the shelves in their local GW store and see these sitting next to Dreadknights at £33 and Maulerfiends at £40.

Indeed, in terms of mass and options, the Knights appear closer to the Maulerfiend kits than anything else, so anything more than £40 would be irrationality on a truly industrial scale.

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Anything that could tell us if we can field Chaos-Knights?...

   
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Pre orders have been offered, by an independent and therefore probably discounted at $120

That translates almost exactly to £70, bit obviously we don't know what, if any, percent was knocked off.

I'd go for $150 RRP, £90 in the UK.

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 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
The guard rumor blog had several folks (including me compiling the ideas together) mentioned they heard the new guard codex would contain not only imperial guard, but commissar, auxillary units, navy, imperial knights, and other entries that were to small to have their own dedicated codexes.

Could it be that the Astra Miliwhatever(btw, maybe not a name change for guard after all, but the name of anall encompassing codex) was named suchly, because this might be the direction of the next codex?

BTW, although I love the dreamforge TITAN (10.5" tall?), would it not be too big to pass off as an Imperial Knight (7.5" to 8" tall) ?
size compare again...
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I'm actually impressed and will be picking one up regardless of rules. I always wanted a knight since I read Mechanicum

Dreamforge's models don't compare to the FLAVOUR!

   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 azreal13 wrote:
Pre orders have been offered, by an independent and therefore probably discounted at $120

That translates almost exactly to £70, bit obviously we don't know what, if any, percent was knocked off.

I'd go for $150 RRP, £90 in the UK.


Then they can right off, because that is so far beyond ridiculous that anyone who buys one at that price is just a mug.

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 Therion wrote:
 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
I dont take seriously rumours from random unproven folks unless they're are some pics.


First, that mystery manager claims it's a Lord orf War. Then he plays a demo game with proxies spamming FIVE of them.

Fishy.

Who really knows these days? Dataslate units don't take take force organisation slots unless specified, and if the Knights are released as a form of a dataslate in the WD, it might not take any slots at all. It would explain people just incorrectly calling it a lord of war when they just mean it's a superheavy.


I stand corrected. From what I gather from the WD caps, You can field p to three Knights as allies for your army, or as a standalone army made of three to six of them.

And they are... dammit, they are beautiful

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I consider them expensive at 50 pounds especially if they go in multiples of three for fluffines. 70 or 90? Totally not worth it.
In a logical world GW would go for the cheaper price bracket that makes the most players to buy more than one, if prior decisions are taken into account Knights will be ridiculous overpriced and more is the pity as this was a good way to improve sales.

Perhaps a bundle at a discount? (yeah I know I'm such a joker )

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

To illustrate just how ludicrous that price would be if accurate, I have utilised my mighty MSPaint skills to create this rough comparison;



Anyone who pays £70-90 for the one on the left when the one on the right is already pricey at £40 is completely bonkers.

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People who have proven right on all else are saying bulkier Wraith knight, your comparison is off somewhere I think, or it's so long since I saw a daemon engine in a CSM lost that wasn't a hell chicken, it's bigger than I remember.

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 azreal13 wrote:
People who have proven right on all else are saying bulkier Wraith knight, your comparison is off somewhere I think, or it's so long since I saw a daemon engine in a CSM lost that wasn't a hell chicken, it's bigger than I remember.


The above pictures are not to scale....

That's not where you were going with that were you?

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Honestly I would have vastly preferred a Deathwatch Codex to a Legion of the Damned Codex, the former appeals to so many more people its not even funny, and offers so much more potential.

And now I'd bet that the LotD is going to the be last one, or maybe at best penultimate one.
   
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 SickSix wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
People who have proven right on all else are saying bulkier Wraith knight, your comparison is off somewhere I think, or it's so long since I saw a daemon engine in a CSM lost that wasn't a hell chicken, it's bigger than I remember.


The above pictures are not to scale....

That's not where you were going with that were you?


I believe he was trying to match the base sizes to try and provide a rough comparison yes. What other point could he be trying to make?

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This thing is simply stunning. I will be definitely getting at least one.

   
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Yeah or the base is actually like this.



Because the Models on the Mumak are rhoughly the same size on the pic has the orks on this pic.



And whats in front of it is 2 Deffdreds, wich are rhoughly the size of a Fiend, and its prtty clear that in the picture, the Knigth is Towering them.

   
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This picture already shows scale. Why not just use it?

And looking at it again, they really aren't that tall...


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Model looks good.
Rules look terrible.

Sure, they'll be good in close combat, but any opponent dumb enough to let you get into close combat with him deserves what he gets.
To me, a great deal comes down to how much poseability the kit has. The two variations pictured appear to have their legs in the exact same positions. The Dreamforge Leviathan has amazing options for posing.

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My height guess is, what...under 6 inches?



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 azreal13 wrote:
 bubber wrote:
I think, ranged weapon-wise, they are very under-powered.
Get them in CC & they'll do some serious damage but not to enough models. I assume they get to stomp as well? Otherwise a standard army should be able to cope with a whole army of the things.
Will be buying one though because they do look lovely.
Will swap out the guns for something a bit meatier & chaos it up some.


Which fits perfectly with their Epic incarnations.

They have a very 'knightly' flavour, with fighting in honourable one on one duels the sort of thing they would prioritize.

They can stomp, as well as a S10 HoW and tank shock, so they should account for themselves well against most targets. Don't forget hits with D weapons do multiple wounds, so they should still be able to do some damage to hordes, even with a low volume of attacks.

Just so you know, SD does that amount of wounds to the individual model (instead of wounding the model normally, the model takes that many wounds), the wounds DO NOT go into the wound pool.

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So do these knights have any ability to deal with airborne threats?

 
   
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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Sure, they'll be good in close combat, but any opponent dumb enough to let you get into close combat with him deserves what he gets.


It all depends on finding the right combos for them. Stompas, for example, are nothing to write home about rules-wise, until you fill them with meks to make them nigh unkillable.

Off the top of my head, a Dark Angels PFG techmarine on a bike may help nullify the gaps on that shield long enough for them to reach CC unscathed. Or Inquisitors with servoskulls to block drop pods. Considering they can ally all Imperial armies, I'm sure there are a dozen ways to make Knights better than they look on paper.

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 SickSix wrote:
This picture already shows scale. Why not just use it?

And looking at it again, they really aren't that tall...



Considering the avatar stands around 4.7 inchs tall, I'd peg that at 6" tops. If its more then the riptide then its highway robbery. Then again both the wraithknight and the riptide are way too expensive for what they are.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
My height guess is, what...under 6 inches?


Nah, look at the pic of the red one above. It stands slightly taller than the second level of those CoD ruins, putting it at over 6 inches. So, probably somewhere between 6" and 7" is my guess.

Comparing to the other pic, it's worth noting that the FW Avatar stands at 4.7" tall.

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 mjl7atlas wrote:
So do these knights have any ability to deal with airborne threats?

I doubt it. Other than the phantom titan who gets AA missiles no titans have AA capabilities. This actually makes tau really strong in Apoc because all of our big things are super-heavy flyers.

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I really think these guys are tournament winners and meta-breaking. 12" move and ridiculously survivable with the super-heavy walker rules. Fairly priced being about as much as tooled up demon prince. Ion shield is incredible as you choose it during your opponents phase making even drop melta list hard to use. Best, of all, NOT a lord of war so no need to shoehorn in all of escalation which people have not responded well to.

Str.D close combat means bye bye screamer/seerstar (so take that LVO whiners).

The wraithknight matches up well with str.10 shooting and fast movement. I think this is more where we are heading.

Every competitive player is going to want one or more of these, I'm calling it now.

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Well, they certainly look better than the old ones. Not sure that I like them more than the Dreamforge Leviathans though.

   
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 buddha wrote:
I really think these guys are tournament winners and meta-breaking. 12" move and ridiculously survivable with the super-heavy walker rules. Fairly priced being about as much as tooled up demon prince. Ion shield is incredible as you choose it during your opponents phase making even drop melta list hard to use. Best, of all, NOT a lord of war so no need to shoehorn in all of escalation which people have not responded well to.

Str.D close combat means bye bye screamer/seerstar (so take that LVO whiners).

The wraithknight matches up well with str.10 shooting and fast movement. I think this is more where we are heading.

Every competitive player is going to want one or more of these, I'm calling it now.


As it stands right now, no competitive player will want one, because most tourneys are not allowing Escalation/super heavy vehicles.

Of course, once all the dust has settled on the rules, you might be right, but it will still need the TO community to decide to allow it.

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 buddha wrote:
I really think these guys are tournament winners and meta-breaking. 12" move and ridiculously survivable with the super-heavy walker rules. Fairly priced being about as much as tooled up demon prince. Ion shield is incredible as you choose it during your opponents phase making even drop melta list hard to use.

Str.D close combat means bye bye screamer/seerstar (so take that LVO whiners).

The wraithknight matches up well with str.10 shooting and fast movement. I think this is more where we are heading.

Every competitive player is going to want one or more of these, I'm calling it now.

You have obviously never faced eldar phantom titans. Although I have to say, these things are WAY to cheap.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 mjl7atlas wrote:
So do these knights have any ability to deal with airborne threats?

I doubt it. Other than the phantom titan who gets AA missiles no titans have AA capabilities. This actually makes tau really strong in Apoc because all of our big things are super-heavy flyers.


I thought the Vulcan Mega-Bolter has AA capabilities?

Edit: Realized it's just because of numbers. 15 shots will roll some 6s...

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