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 Krinsath wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:
which one do you think will look better the smaller or the larger leviathan, which one would be closer in size?

So far, judging by the pics available for the Knights, they'll be pretty much smack in between the 15mm and 28mm Dreamforge models. The 15mm would work if you make up the height difference with a taller base.

My theory, partly as an excuse to buy a 28mm Levi: It's a 7"+ tall model, there's no way you're hiding it, so a few extra inches won't matter. It'll just look more impressive. I'm also thinking that I'll throw in a couple of 15mm Mortisor GW Knights at some point, to run a Household with the 28mm Crusader as the Baron/leader. To be honest, I really don't think it matter that much unless you're playing competitively.

Out of curiosity, because I don't get in any sort of games let alone ones to know what TFG will attempt to pull, is there any issue with the model being bigger than the GW one provided that the base (which has CC implications) is the same diameter? It would seem like making it bigger makes it harder to hide (not that you're hiding a 7" thing on most boards anyway), which isn't exactly to your advantage.

However, I'm certain that there's something that I just don't see because I (thankfully) don't have enough experience with the hyper-competitive WAAC crowd.

Not really, the shear bulk of both the oficial model and it better DF counterpart make trying to hide it on the battlefield a futile endebour. The gun size does not matter either, since its a walker range is measured from the base (like infantry) not the guns (not that it matters much anyway at 72 inch range). It seems that the DF is betwin 1 and 2 inches taller, keep in mind that the DF is fully posable as in feets, waist, legs and arms, you should not have much problem posing it dinamically and shaving an inch or 2

Base size is actually a wash, while it does offer certain advantages, there are normally drawbacks too, and you're right that extra height/bulk offers no upside at all.

I use some very large models alternate in my daemons army, and haven't ever had an issue, but then I don't play competitively.

I think we might be looking at a new base size for models in 40k. Look at this picture. It is basically a dead-on angle for the Knight. Now look at the base. If that were the large Oval base the Knight would be, at most, 4.7 inches tall. However, we know that it is taller than that due to comparison shots with the Mawlock and the Avatar. I'm thinking that this might be the same size base the LotR Mumak comes on.

Also, as for actual size, someone on Warseer noticed that in one picture it is standing next to a Cathedral scenery piece. That would make it roughly 160mm Tall. So, almost 6.5 inches. I've been waiting a LONG time to use my epicast Knight with official rules.

I hate to admit it but I might just be getting one of these. My RT era titan crew need it

 cuda1179 wrote:

I've been waiting a LONG time to use my epicast Knight with official rules.

Cuda, would you PLEASE stop rubbing it in that you have an Epicast Knight!

As an "old resin" collector, I'd give my right arm to have gotten my hands on one of those...

You lucky sod!

I am finding it amusing that with these pics out on the web, etc. NOTHING has been posted up on Tabletop Gaming News (and noticed a general dirth of GW coverage since CMON became the site's owners)

Commodore Perry.

 Padre wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

I've been waiting a LONG time to use my epicast Knight with official rules.

Cuda, would you PLEASE stop rubbing it in that you have an Epicast Knight!

As an "old resin" collector, I'd give my right arm to have gotten my hands on one of those...

You lucky sod!

Rubbing it in would include me stating that I got it 4 years ago on ebay when the guy selling it misspelled the word "Epicast" as Epic Cast. Really rubbing it in would be me saying I got it for $60.

xxvaderxx wrote:
The gun size does not matter either, since its a walker range is measured from the base (like infantry) not the guns (not that it matters much anyway at 72 inch range).

This is incorrect. Walkers measure from their guns like every other vehicle. You just use the base for movement.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I think we might be looking at a new base size for models in 40k. Look at this picture. It is basically a dead-on angle for the Knight. Now look at the base. If that were the large Oval base the Knight would be, at most, 4.7 inches tall. However, we know that it is taller than that due to comparison shots with the Mawlock and the Avatar. I'm thinking that this might be the same size base the LotR Mumak comes on.

Also, as for actual size, someone on Warseer noticed that in one picture it is standing next to a Cathedral scenery piece. That would make it roughly 160mm Tall. So, almost 6.5 inches. I've been waiting a LONG time to use my epicast Knight with official rules.

You might be right about the Mumak-scale base, it measures 7" on the long axis, but I'm not sure. Bloody hell, this sort of thing annoys the buggery out of me, why can't they just preview models properly like a normal bloody company? Or if they insist on doing their "marketing" with terrible blurry "leaked" pictures of their own catalogue, they could at least choose to leak one of the pages which has basic bloody info on it like how big the models are.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I think we might be looking at a new base size for models in 40k. Look at this picture. It is basically a dead-on angle for the Knight. Now look at the base. If that were the large Oval base the Knight would be, at most, 4.7 inches tall. However, we know that it is taller than that due to comparison shots with the Mawlock and the Avatar. I'm thinking that this might be the same size base the LotR Mumak comes on.

Also, as for actual size, someone on Warseer noticed that in one picture it is standing next to a Cathedral scenery piece. That would make it roughly 160mm Tall. So, almost 6.5 inches. I've been waiting a LONG time to use my epicast Knight with official rules.

You might be right about the Mumak-scale base, it measures 7" on the long axis, but I'm not sure. Bloody hell, this sort of thing annoys the buggery out of me, why can't they just preview models properly like a normal bloody company? Or if they insist on doing their "marketing" with terrible blurry "leaked" pictures of their own catalogue, they could at least choose to leak one of the pages which has basic bloody info on it like how big the models are.

In fairness, there is a pretty clear image of it with a Fire Dragon right next to it, I know that isn't an exact measurement, but it does give a pretty good idea.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Padre wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

I've been waiting a LONG time to use my epicast Knight with official rules.

Cuda, would you PLEASE stop rubbing it in that you have an Epicast Knight!

As an "old resin" collector, I'd give my right arm to have gotten my hands on one of those...

You lucky sod!

Rubbing it in would include me stating that I got it 4 years ago on ebay when the guy selling it misspelled the word "Epicast" as Epic Cast. Really rubbing it in would be me saying I got it for $60.

I think I'll just go and sit in the corner, and cry in jealousy...

I would loved to have gotten one of the Warlords they made but the contract died when GW built FW and then couldn't cast any

 azreal13 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
You might be right about the Mumak-scale base, it measures 7" on the long axis, but I'm not sure. Bloody hell, this sort of thing annoys the buggery out of me, why can't they just preview models properly like a normal bloody company? Or if they insist on doing their "marketing" with terrible blurry "leaked" pictures of their own catalogue, they could at least choose to leak one of the pages which has basic bloody info on it like how big the models are.

In fairness, there is a pretty clear image of it with a Fire Dragon right next to it, I know that isn't an exact measurement, but it does give a pretty good idea.

It's also a good shot in that a Fire Dragon is going to be the last thing a Knight sees in many, many games. :/

Rad. Totally rad. Totally rad. I wonder if it has a crew compartment. Has that been discussed? May have missed it between the post about how much GW sucks and the other post about how much GW sucks.

There was a neat story about a knight in the Imperial Truth Horus Heresy book.

I'm not so excited about having to face its rules in a tournament against that goofy looking DreamForge thing as a "counts as" nonsense.

If this doesn't blow your top off as GW hobbyist, I don't get what will do it. I do not know what it would take.

moonpie wrote:
Rad. Totally rad. Totally rad. I wonder if it has a crew compartment. Has that been discussed? May have missed it between the post about how much GW sucks and the other post about how much GW sucks.

There was a neat story about a knight in the Imperial Truth Horus Heresy book.

I'm not so excited about having to face its rules in a tournament against that goofy looking DreamForge thing as a "counts as" nonsense.

If this doesn't blow your top off as GW hobbyist, I don't get what will do it. I do not know what it would take.

Well, the cockpit is supposed to be located at the height of the head, inside or in the torso right behind it. If the model actually has that, it'd jump from "awesome" to... uhm, whatever's better than awesome.

Btw, IMHO the Dreamforge Leviathan looks silly. I fully understand why people like its poseability, but the appearance, not so much. I wanna have the Knight... with spikes!

moonpie wrote:
Rad. Totally rad. Totally rad. I wonder if it has a crew compartment. Has that been discussed? May have missed it between the post about how much GW sucks and the other post about how much GW sucks.

There was a neat story about a knight in the Imperial Truth Horus Heresy book.

I'm not so excited about having to face its rules in a tournament against that goofy looking DreamForge thing as a "counts as" nonsense.

If this doesn't blow your top off as GW hobbyist, I don't get what will do it. I do not know what it would take.

apparently that short story is also intended as something of a "precursor" to a upcoming horus heresy story too. If that was the case I'd not be suprised if it was announced for march too

Yeah, I like the dreamforge stuff, and it is great in it's own right, and before I got a glimpse of the knights I would say they're a good substitute.... But. compared to the pics of the knights, they don't belong at all any more, the knights look imperial, the dreamforge models don't, they're too perfect, whereas the knights are flawed, and that's exactly how they should be.

BrianDavion wrote:

moonpie wrote:
Rad. Totally rad. Totally rad. I wonder if it has a crew compartment. Has that been discussed? May have missed it between the post about how much GW sucks and the other post about how much GW sucks.

There was a neat story about a knight in the Imperial Truth Horus Heresy book.

I'm not so excited about having to face its rules in a tournament against that goofy looking DreamForge thing as a "counts as" nonsense.

If this doesn't blow your top off as GW hobbyist, I don't get what will do it. I do not know what it would take.

apparently that short story is also intended as something of a "precursor" to a upcoming horus heresy story too. If that was the case I'd not be suprised if it was announced for march too

Thank you my saviours. I was trying to remember where i'd read a short story about some Knights recently, but was coming up completely blank.

 sonofruss wrote:
I would loved to have gotten one of the Warlords they made but the contract died when GW built FW and then couldn't cast any

You and me both... apparently, there's only two in existence.

Did you ever see the Imperator that Mike Biasi of Armorcast was working on when the GW contract came to an end? Simply fantastic.

Looks like we have a solid pre order date. This just got posted up on GW website

Also, are there other variations?

If so, why haven't we seen pics or rules of those yet?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Also, are there other variations?

If so, why haven't we seen pics or rules of those yet?

There are other variations- look at the photos again. You should be able to see Knight Errant

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Yeah, I like the dreamforge stuff, and it is great in it's own right, and before I got a glimpse of the knights I would say they're a good substitute.... But. compared to the pics of the knights, they don't belong at all any more, the knights look imperial, the dreamforge models don't, they're too perfect, whereas the knights are flawed, and that's exactly how they should be.

There's a few things wrong with the dreamforge model (something wrong with almost every model). The mid section is just awful. Why isn't there any armour there? Why are two metal pillars and a small spine bit carrying the upper body that undoubtedly weighs more than ten thousand kilos? Secondly, it lacks detail. All the surfaces are smooth and clean and would need detail. The model is in the same stage as the Phantom Titan was when FW first released pictures of it. Lastly, the head is too big. The design is nice, and but it should be slightly smaller to give it a less goofy profile. GW makes the same mistake with a ton of their models. Overall, it's a decent walker model, and from what I hear it's priced nice, but that's all. It doesn't look like it belongs to the 40K universe at all.

Looks like we have a solid release date. This just got posted up on GW website

It's good to see the unpaid intern hard at work again. Thanks for the link.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Also, are there other variations?

If so, why haven't we seen pics or rules of those yet?

There are other variations- look at the photos again. You should be able to see Knight Errant

Yeah, I've seen the errant, I meant further than those two, as there are rumours of more variations than the two. A close combat one, a gatling weapon type and a grav type weapon.

warhammer 40k mechammer continues! love the model hate the fact Mechammer is now the thing :/

Is it me, or does the silhouette in the video at the end look like a different gun? I'm hoping it is.

Scratch that... looks like the thermal cannon.

FW are bound to do variations of these right... Imagine what might turn up with the HH line, there may be some mega mechanicum styles show up.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks like we have a solid release date. This just got posted up on GW website

Just for the record, this is the date the preorders go up. GW loves this kind of misinformation.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks like we have a solid release date. This just got posted up on GW website

Just for the record, this is the date the preorders go up. GW loves this kind of misinformation.

Apologies- have amended the post!

 Kroothawk wrote:
So another Apocalypse sized unit forced into normal 40k games? Will this improve game balance?
Not impressed.

My thoughts exactly. Pretty soon standard models on a 4 foot by 6 foot table are going to be on 90mm by 120mm bases. The games are starting to look silly and out of scale with models this size becoming common.

Looking at GW policy post Chapterhouse case verdict they seem to be deliberately crafting rules to deny as many 3rd party sales as possible, whereas in the past they might have issued a C&D or just left it and got on with it when not a cut and dried case.

It looks like to me, assuming the 6/7" height of the new Knights is correct, that GW have sized the knight to fit in the middle of the Dreamforge models to prevent losing as many sales as possible to Dreamforge. I would also expect the Knight to be priced between the 15mm and 28mm leviathans, otherwise if it is too expensive some people will go for the 28mm leviathan (more model for less cash), if its cheaper than the 15mm then they are leaving money on the table. Just a hypothesis.