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 Azazelx wrote:
If you've got any UK eBay sources with a decent discount, please feel free to PM me. I've never been lucky enough to find any. Mostly these days I buy non-GW stuff, but I still do get their stuff from alternate sources like eBay etc.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Well, not entirely - the Vanguard and Sternguard prices were both horribly skewed against us, so I bought mine from the US - as were the centurions (I believe). It's really best checked out on an individual basis with the newer kits. Wraithknight was one that worked out better to get locally since it was "close enough" to importing them in. Same with the Wraithguard if I recall correctly.

Never noticed the Vanguard and Sternguard, when did they come out? I mostly noticed the Tau, Eldar and Lizardmen were all not so bad. They all came out while I was living in the US and I didn't bother buying any of them because the price difference wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other armies I collect.

They came out with the SM codex late last year. I'll have to work out price comparisons with the Eldar and some of the bigger lizardmen beasties shortly.

Lizardmen Bastiladon US$60/AU$90
After discount and currency conversions: US$46.80 + postage (AU$52 + post) vs AU$72 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.

Lizardman Stegadon US$57.75/AU$83
After discount and currency conversions: US$38.61 + postage (AU$43 + post vs AU$66.40 (20% disc) - another easy US purchase.

Eldar WraithKnight US$115/AU$125
After discount and currency conversions: US$89.70 + postage (AU$100 + post) vs AU$100 (20% disc) - a local purchase.

Eldar Wraithguard US$50/AU$55
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$44 (20% disc) - another local purchase.

Space Marine Vanguard US40/AU$65
After discount and currency conversions: US$31.20 + postage (AU$35 + post) vs AU$52 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.

Space Marine Sternguard US$50/AU$70
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$56 (20% disc) - easy US purchase. again.


All of those kits are pretty recent, and so the Knight kit could fall on either side of the fence.

Lol why do you guys in Oz get smashed on prices over there? It's a bit ridiculous.

On topic, I can honestly see myself buying one of these. Would be pretty cool to see it have a clash against my brother's Trygon (while of course, having Pacific Rim theme blasting in the background)

 Azazelx wrote:

Spoiler:

If you've got any UK eBay sources with a decent discount, please feel free to PM me. I've never been lucky enough to find any. Mostly these days I buy non-GW stuff, but I still do get their stuff from alternate sources like eBay etc.


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 Azazelx wrote:

Well, not entirely - the Vanguard and Sternguard prices were both horribly skewed against us, so I bought mine from the US - as were the centurions (I believe). It's really best checked out on an individual basis with the newer kits. Wraithknight was one that worked out better to get locally since it was "close enough" to importing them in. Same with the Wraithguard if I recall correctly.

Never noticed the Vanguard and Sternguard, when did they come out? I mostly noticed the Tau, Eldar and Lizardmen were all not so bad. They all came out while I was living in the US and I didn't bother buying any of them because the price difference wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other armies I collect.

They came out with the SM codex late last year. I'll have to work out price comparisons with the Eldar and some of the bigger lizardmen beasties shortly.

Lizardmen Bastiladon US$60/AU$90
After discount and currency conversions: US$46.80 + postage (AU$52 + post) vs AU$72 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.

Lizardman Stegadon US$57.75/AU$83
After discount and currency conversions: US$38.61 + postage (AU$43 + post vs AU$66.40 (20% disc) - another easy US purchase.

Eldar WraithKnight US$115/AU$125
After discount and currency conversions: US$89.70 + postage (AU$100 + post) vs AU$100 (20% disc) - a local purchase.

Eldar Wraithguard US$50/AU$55
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$44 (20% disc) - another local purchase.

Space Marine Vanguard US40/AU$65
After discount and currency conversions: US$31.20 + postage (AU$35 + post) vs AU$52 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.

Space Marine Sternguard US$50/AU$70
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$56 (20% disc) - easy US purchase. again.


All of those kits are pretty recent, and so the Knight kit could fall on either side of the fence.

Your easy US purchase of the Basti would be borderline for me. For one, you'd never get that exchange rate (if you do, please tell me who you do transactions with, lol). Realistically that $46.8 would be more like $55 + postage. Then the fact you're ordering from overseas makes it more annoying (I've had broken bits and heavily dented stuff when ordering from the US, also the delivery time difference, so the price difference needs to be large before I'll do it). The Basti is also the largest price discrepancy of the Lizardmen release. The Stegadon is older, but of the actual recent Lizard releases, the Basti is $60 vs $90 (50%), Carno is $85 vs $100 (17.6%), Terradons $60 vs $80 (33%), Tetto'eko $50 vs $55 (10%), Skink Priest $20 vs $22 (10%), Gor Rok is $25 in both countries (parity!),

So other than the Basti, the Lizardmen US prices of the latest release aren't actually that far off the Australian prices, given the current exchange rate is 0.9 (and realistically less for us mere mortals who don't get the spot rate), some things are actually cheaper in Oz even before postage and handling is considered. Most the Lizardmen stuff that is much more expensive in Oz comes from older releases.

I just wonder what sort of distinction we'll see between the three flavors of knight households. It just strikes me that fluff wise everything other than Mechanicum Knights will need an explanation and justifiably feasible way to be so autonomous. I also wonder if there will be included any units besides the knights themselves. Without any other units in the army list the they will need some other sorts of rules and ways to represent the differences.

FYI, the cover of the new White Dwarf is now on the the GW webpage.

TyRaide Thx man, just saw it. To bad I can't get to my local GW tomorrow. Or... perhaps I will HAVE to.

TyRaide wrote:
FYI, the cover of the new White Dwarf is now on the the GW webpage.

Beat me to it lol.

 Red__Thirst wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Well these are are about as stupidly expensive as I expected

So,..

If you find the price too high... Don't buy it?

Or, if you want one, and find the price too high, scratch build one?

Or, if you don't have the ability/knowhow/desire to scratch build one, and don't want to buy one at the listed price, get a third party model to represent one that's cheaper?

I'm failing to see how your statement adds anything to the discussion here.

Just thought I'd ask, what's your point?

-RT-

I'm saying its too expensive and a ripoff. Stop being so sensitive.

Is there any information about wether or not they will release the lancers as well? I am really loving the look of the kit, but I'd like to have access to the other varients of the Knights as well .

Noc

Nocturus wrote:
Is there any information about wether or not they will release the lancers as well? I am really loving the look of the kit, but I'd like to have access to the other varients of the Knights as well .

Noc

I reckon Lancers, along with Crusaders and/or Castellans, will be a FW release.

 cincydooley wrote:


So based on that it sounds like the DF 15mm Leviathans will be too small to work as knights? Blah. Size wise that makes them good for what? Absolutely nothing?

Wouldn't be too hard to stretch the 15mm Leviathan by an inch with some clever basing and extending some parts a bit. The 28mm could be shrunken, too, but unfortunately the 28mm weapons seem a bit too large to fit a Knight.

 RiTides wrote:
We get it, Red. And watch out with that RT, it can get confusing (joke, as I sometimes sign off that way, too )

Nothing to confuse. Dakka software explains that it means "reluctant trained"

@Red__Thirst
Hah google translate is bad in every language, i'd avoid it and buy a cheap english to latin dictionary (or go greek).
I have no idea how it gave you "Vivamus Titan" (Let us live, O Titan) which suggest a strong degree of romance lol.

Pauperis is a good epithet, but Titan Miserorum (Titan of miseries) is much better since it has an ambiguous meaning of either it is miserable or as the causer of miseries.

Other alternatives are...

Titan Plebis (Titan of the people)
Titan Vulgaris ( The Common Titan)
Blatta Titanis (The Roaches Titan)

 cincydooley wrote:
I think water is made of condensed fairy dust.

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Are you very imaginative, or were you raised by a strange sect ?

 cincydooley wrote:
Chaos Space Marines are not considered a "Space Marine" army by any rules GW or FW have made.

I think you are confusing GW and FW with Privateer Press. Privateer Press cares about that kind of differentiation, and each unit has a list of qualifiers as part of his name, resulting in so many “Trollblood trollkin something” and “Trollblood trollkin whatever”. GW handwaves it, and you can go Forge that Narrative yourself if you care. They will handwave at it.

So, forget about rules. Fluffwise, Chaos Marines are Space Marines, hence Chaos Marines is yet another Space Marine army.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
In the Dwarf on page 30 you see a Binary code AdMech transmission.

though that it might contain hidden information or something, do i did go through the trouble to put it in a Binary translator.

Uh ? Binary translator ? What the bloody damn hell is that ?
It is not like Binary translator meant something, just about every software you use takes something in binary and “translates” it into something else for you : text editors do that, music or video players do that too, web browsers also do that, …

Oh and what's that? That original leaked image was the white dwarf cover after all. Kaching.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Lol why do you guys in Oz get smashed on prices over there? It's a bit ridiculous.

On topic, I can honestly see myself buying one of these. Would be pretty cool to see it have a clash against my brother's Trygon (while of course, having Pacific Rim theme blasting in the background)

Because they can.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Your easy US purchase of the Basti would be borderline for me. For one, you'd never get that exchange rate (if you do, please tell me who you do transactions with, lol). Realistically that $46.8 would be more like $55 + postage. Then the fact you're ordering from overseas makes it more annoying (I've had broken bits and heavily dented stuff when ordering from the US, also the delivery time difference, so the price difference needs to be large before I'll do it). The Basti is also the largest price discrepancy of the Lizardmen release. The Stegadon is older, but of the actual recent Lizard releases, the Basti is $60 vs $90 (50%), Carno is $85 vs $100 (17.6%), Terradons $60 vs $80 (33%), Tetto'eko $50 vs $55 (10%), Skink Priest $20 vs $22 (10%), Gor Rok is $25 in both countries (parity!),

So other than the Basti, the Lizardmen US prices of the latest release aren't actually that far off the Australian prices, given the current exchange rate is 0.9 (and realistically less for us mere mortals who don't get the spot rate), some things are actually cheaper in Oz even before postage and handling is considered. Most the Lizardmen stuff that is much more expensive in Oz comes from older releases.

Um, that's the price I get from Discount Games Store and today's exchange rate. I compare those prices to my local Semi-FLGS that does 20% off GW factional. There's a small currency conversion fee, but it's pretty negligible. Even if the difference is $17 rather than $20 we're talking about a huge percentage of the kit's price. Moreover, when I'm talking about easy choices to import or not, I'm talking about my own opinion and for myself. The kits I looked at are ones I'm either interested in buying personally or have already bought - so not cherry-picking random kits to make a point. The $20 savings on the Basti kit makes up for a huge chunk of the postage, since I order several hundred bucks worth of stuff in a go to minimise the impact of the postage from US>here. More to the point, if you don't want to order stuff from the US, then don't. Don't ever if that's your preference. It's no skin off my nose and I don't in fact care one iota...

Speaking for myself, I'm interested in getting three of these Knights. If the price is DreadKnightish, I'll buy them locally. If the price is Bastiladonian, I'll buy them from the States. Simples!

 iddy00711 wrote:
@Red__Thirst
Hah google translate is bad in every language, i'd avoid it and buy a cheap english to latin dictionary (or go greek).
I have no idea how it gave you "Vivamus Titan" (Let us live, O Titan) which suggest a strong degree of romance lol.

Pauperis is a good epithet, but Titan Miserorum (Titan of miseries) is much better since it has an ambiguous meaning of either it is miserable or as the causer of miseries.

Other alternatives are...

Titan Plebis (Titan of the people)
Titan Vulgaris ( The Common Titan)
Blatta Titanis (The Roaches Titan)

Interesting, very very interesting. Thank you for the linguistic help there Iddy, it is greatly appreciated.

I'm mostly looking for a way to say "Poor Man's Titan" in Latin similar to how GW uses latin to name different factions. I.E. Adeptus Astartes/Sororitas/Mechanicum, etc.

Another way I could find humor in the name is finding out if there's a latin translation for the word "Scrappy", a-la scrappy do of cartoon fame.

If I can figure out the rough translation I also would like to have the following statement scrawled upon my knight's armor plating in latin script: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the side of the fight in the dog". Owing to the fact that while it is a massive war machine, it's still small compared to even a Warhound titan.

Just my thoughts on that end, thanks again for the input/information there Iddy

Take it easy.

-RT-

i am going to continue grumbling about the lack of a chaos titan beyond the khornmower.

Cool looking model though.

 sennacherib wrote:
i am going to continue grumbling about the lack of a chaos titan beyond the khornmower.

Cool looking model though.

Is there a way to combine the two? Hmm....
I really want to see chaos conversions of this thing.

From B&C

Those WIP pics have me very interested.

It looks like there is going to be a fair amount of pose-ability in this kit.

 sennacherib wrote:
i am going to continue grumbling about the lack of a chaos titan beyond the khornmower.

Cool looking model though.

It is not a titan and we don't yet know if chaos can use them. there might be a dark mec dataslate in the future.
There are two chaos Titans on the FW page they exist they are just out of reach for most folks.

 Azazelx wrote:
Um, that's the price I get from Discount Games Store and today's exchange rate. I compare those prices to my local Semi-FLGS that does 20% off GW factional. There's a small currency conversion fee, but it's pretty negligible. Even if the difference is $17 rather than $20 we're talking about a huge percentage of the kit's price. Moreover, when I'm talking about easy choices to import or not, I'm talking about my own opinion and for myself. The kits I looked at are ones I'm either interested in buying personally or have already bought - so not cherry-picking random kits to make a point. The $20 savings on the Basti kit makes up for a huge chunk of the postage, since I order several hundred bucks worth of stuff in a go to minimise the impact of the postage from US>here. More to the point, if you don't want to order stuff from the US, then don't. Don't ever if that's your preference. It's no skin off my nose and I don't in fact care one iota...

Speaking for myself, I'm interested in getting three of these Knights. If the price is DreadKnightish, I'll buy them locally. If the price is Bastiladonian, I'll buy them from the States. Simples!

I think you missed my points.

Primary point: Most the newer releases haven't been a rip off compared to US prices. Though the Dwarfs aren't great, I wonder if that is because the exchange rate has fallen recently, GW might not have wanted to gamble on it.

The Basti is the worst of the Lizardmen new releases. GW is not consistent, some things are still crap, but for the most part I think among newer releases, they've been equalising the prices between the US and Australia. The Lizardmen, only the Basti was really skewed, everything else is not all that bad, with several things being cheaper at the current exchange rate. I don't know all the recent releases, but I see the Riptide, the Sunshark, the Wraithknight, the Crimson Hunter, Wraithguard. I didn't cherry pick those, they are just the first things that came to mind and all are very similar price in Australia to the US, some things cheaper, some things more expensive. Nothing worth importing.

Secondary point: You don't get the exchange rate that you see when you type in "1 usd to aud" in google. If you do, I'd love to know who you bank with, lol. The best I've gotten is about 1-2c worse, and that was not going through my bank, it was sending several thousand dollars through an exchange broker. The best my bank will give me is typically 3-4c worse, so it's not $46.8USD for a Basti = $52AUD + shipping, realistically it's more like $54 + shipping. IMO, once you include the increased shipping time and the annoyance if you get damaged parts, I'd be flipping a coin whether to bother getting it from the US.

Tertiary point which was a while back and kind of gotten lost now: I'm interested to see the Australian price given the exchange rate has now fallen since the Lizardmen/Tau/Eldar, all of which weren't terribly skewed against Oz.

Whether or not it's overall worth buying from the US was never one of my points I have bought stuff from the states, I was living over there for a while and bought a lot of stuff back with me (along with clothes, shoes and a car ), I'm very tempted to do a big IG order before they come out as they are MASSIVELY cheaper in the US. However the discussion originated from speculation on what the Knight price would be, lol, and that's really the only part relevant to this thread.


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 Excessus wrote:
From B&C

Spoiler:

Doesn't look all that posable.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/581150.page

Chaos knight thread

 Excessus wrote:
From B&C

Spoiler:

Sweet, thanks for these! Did they post what the pics came from... not white dwarf, seemingly?

According to WD Weekly (store had it early), the head, arms (with pistons), stubber and shield are 'moving parts', the legs don't seem to be.

In terms of fluff differentiation between the three types, it says that '(Imperial houses) trade openly with the Imperium and march to war alongside their armies, they retain a fierce independence.' The Ad-Mech Knights seem to have close ties with the AM out of mutual benefits (AM want Knight Tech, Knights want AM supplies from Forge Worlds). It describes the Freeblades as 'setting out on their own, wandering the stars in search of purpose... or offering protection to those who need it.'

Nothing rules-wise about the differentiation, but that fluff makes it clear the Freeblades owe no allegiance to the Imperium.

@RiTides: those pics are indeed from WD.

I think there is some, limited pose-ability in the arms at least:



and very likely at the waist, possibly the knees.

 RiTides wrote:

Sweet, thanks for these! Did they post what the pics came from... not white dwarf, seemingly?

The pictures actually do look like they're from White Dwarf. The WIP shot has a tiny sliver of white at the upper right hand corner which suggests the picture is part of an article.

 Paradigm wrote:

In terms of fluff differentiation between the three types, it says that '(Imperial houses) trade openly with the Imperium and march to war alongside their armies, they retain a fierce independence.' The Ad-Mech Knights seem to have close ties with the AM out of mutual benefits (AM want Knight Tech, Knights want AM supplies from Forge Worlds). It describes the Freeblades as 'setting out on their own, wandering the stars in search of purpose... or offering protection to those who need it.'

Wow, I'm very behind this. Thanks for that summary. Makes a bit of a change from the Join or Die! aspect of the Imperium. And it's odd, but welcome, that the Ad Mech are after the titan tech FROM the knight worlds, rather than the other way round. Freeblades feels the least fleshed out from that, but perhaps there are more details to come.

Yeah, to expand on the fluff, it talks about how Knight Worlds were pre-imperial colonies that have been re-found later, and as such have a bunch of cool tech the Ad Mech want to get their hands on. It says that both the Knight Strongholds and the Knights themselves are made partly from the starships they used to get there, and as such more techy than other Imperial stuff.

No idea how much of this is new/retconned, but I must say I was surprised that they were not explicitly part of the Imperium, but instead see them as 'equal partners'. These guys seem to have quite a lot of political clout.

At a guess, I think the Freeblades are basically a half-arsed excuse to sell more Knights to non-IOM players, so the fluff is deliberately vague. The codex may reveal more.

 hdbbstephen wrote:
I think there is some, limited pose-ability in the arms at least:



and very likely at the waist, possibly the knees.

I think that just looks like they articulate left and right, then the weapon can be swung up and down, but the arm as a whole can't, not unless there's a circular joint in the model's shoulder itself.

EDIT: Actually, yeah, it looks like that's how the Knight itself is designed (whether or not the actual model is articulated as such I can't say), the shoulder rotates in a circular motion (not a ball rotation), then the joint you circled allows the weapon to rotate left and right, then the next joint down from the one you circled is like the "wrist", which allows up and down swinging of the chainsword/gun.

So it looks like you can swing up down, left right, and the wrist up down. It looks like the Knight should be able to also swing it's upper arm outwards, but since there's solid plastic "tubes" running to it, I doubt the model itself can.