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I'm not surprised they forgot to include such trivial information as FoC, Warlord designation, and scoring. It should be painfully obvious by now that WD editors don't actually play 40K and are unfamiliar with its rules (so are FW guys), so how would they know those things were at all important?

I fully expect the Imperial Knights codex to contain rules for a single unit with two weapon options along with several dozen pages of fluff waffle.

Unknown source, Natfka attributed it to DietOfLiquor on Bols Lounge, but nothing in the link he provides. Sounds like WD text:

The Imperial Knights Companion is a spectacular, large-format tome that delves deep into the orgins and history of the Imperial Knights, the culture of their noble houses and their complex relationships with the Imperium and the Adeptus Mechanicus.

But DietOfLiquor provides this pic:

Horncastle on Bols Lounge wrote:I got the new White Dwarf yesterday (I love my FLGS) Knights of the Imperium is a novella. The companion guide is extended fluff and heraldry, etc.

 pretre wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Re: Tasty's blog- I think it's more a sign of how much goodwill GW has thrown away with it's community than anything else. With other companies, these sorts of things would be forgiven, but when GW has already annoyed you more than once, it's easier to have a go at them than let it slide.

Except this same 'commentary' has been ongoing for 20 years. So I don't think the 'threw away their goodwill' answer works here.

I know, I know, it's the internet. People bitch on the internet. Still, it is tiresome. (On both sides)

When GW stop doing things worthy of criticism, people will stop criticising them for said things. You can pretend people have always disliked the company to the same levels as today if you like, but the evidence doesn't back your position; no matter how many examples you can find on google from a Friday afternoon in January 1993, the complaints were less frequent, and more than that they existed in the context of a company that was growing every year and releasing products that people still play today and wish the company would return to; today they lose more customers every year, there is serious competition gaining ground on them, and more than that, regardless of whether you think complaints made in the past were justified, they are justified now.

I was really excited by this release, all GW had to do to make me and the vast majority of other people happy was put out an awesome model at a reasonable price with rational rules, I was set to grab a whole Household of these if those extremely basic criteria were met, but yet again they have drunk their own kool-aid and we get an awesome model at a ludicrous price and questionable rules, all wrapped up in their now-standard bumbling failure of a marketing strategy(so far as it even exists at all).

What I never get is why "if it bothers you so much feel free to not read the topic" seems to apply to everyone in the universe apart from people who don't want to hear GW's good name besmirched; as tiresome as you find it to read people's genuine grievances with GW's behaviour, believe me when I say that pales in comparison to how tiresome it is to see the same faces in every new release thread playing Opinion Police.

I'm really looking forward to the next BA codex.. I hope its 1 codex per 1 unit entry. Codex: Commander Dante, Codex: Mephiston.

Although it's gonna be expensive at 41$ per model :(

$41 for 64 pages with rules for one unit. Yup, so much bang for the buck!

Hang on, does that text at the bottom of the pic say

"Imperial Knights Limited Edition: Online Only"

I assume they mean you can order it online, it wouldn't be a limited edition digital download would it?

 Kroothawk wrote:

Horncastle on Bols Lounge wrote:I got the new White Dwarf yesterday (I love my FLGS) Knights of the Imperium is a novella. The companion guide is extended fluff and heraldry, etc.

I believe the novella is by Graham McNeill.

 azreal13 wrote:
Hang on, does that text at the bottom of the pic say

"Imperial Knights Limited Edition: Online Only"

I assume they mean you can order it online, it wouldn't be a limited edition digital download would it?

Order online. Generally speaking, the LE sell out while the Codex is still in pre-order.

LE Digital would be something new...

Yes, all the Limited Edition hardbacks were only available through the GW site.

Has anyone else noticed however that this is a hardback with roughly the same page count as most of the supliments they put out yet is priced at 33 euros instead of 39? Thats an actual price reduction of 6 euros compared to what they have been doing so far. Maybe they drunk to much of the GW Kool-aid and forgot their own price points?

Would it have killed GW to make it 2" taller? *sigh*

NickOnwezen wrote:
Has anyone else noticed however that this is a hardback with roughly the same page count as most of the supliments they put out yet is priced at 33 euros instead of 39? Thats an actual price reduction of 6 euros compared to what they have been doing so far. Maybe they drunk to much of the GW Kool-aid and forgot their own price points?

I assume because it's not going to have any rules beyond a few Knights, the rules of which are already in WD, so even GW decided it wasn't worth that much.

NickOnwezen wrote:
Has anyone else noticed however that this is a hardback with roughly the same page count as most of the supliments they put out yet is priced at 33 euros instead of 39? Thats an actual price reduction of 6 euros compared to what they have been doing so far. Maybe they drunk to much of the GW Kool-aid and forgot their own price points?

obviously the guy in charge of typing the description of the knight was given a second chance at entering in the prices , he made the price smaller because last time he made the size too large and got in trouble I'm sure GW will change the price to 44euros shortly.

edit: freaky double post, can a mod edit one of these two out please? Never mind, it fixed itself.

The first FAQ will state "This book was supposed to cost more. Please go to the retailer and give them the difference in cash"

 azreal13 wrote:
Hang on, does that text at the bottom of the pic say

"Imperial Knights Limited Edition: Online Only"

I assume they mean you can order it online, it wouldn't be a limited edition digital download would it?

I can almost guarantee that just means you can only buy it from the GW webstore. It will be hardcover and slightly fancier than the 'standard' hardcover book.

I have been a GW fanboy since the 80s, and despite the fact that I still love their models...and still love many of their older games (Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Mordheim, Man O War, Epic, Warhammer Quest, Space Hulk, Battlefleet Gothic...all of which are no longer produced -Nor supported in any way/shape/or form) the current flagship games do not have that much appeal for me any longer...especially 40K. As someone who has invested literally thousands of dollars into product from this company over the last 25+ years, I feel that in the last 10 years (sitting roughly in their target market), I have been taken for a ride and been taken advantage of. I understand that these are luxury items (the whole exotic car metaphor is not lost on me), but with the constant price hikes, and more recently the blatantly badly written/balanced rules, I actually feel insulted by their indifference and corporate greed. They used to have global narrative campaigns, organized tournaments with prize support, the out-rider program, several convention events across the US that catered to competitive players, casual story driven players, and painters/hobbyists alike. Sometimes, when I see people denouncing me for my somewhat jaded outlook...I begin to question if my feelings are unfounded...or perhaps exaggerated to a point...maybe I feel too entitled? But then I look back over the steps this company has taken, the choices it has made, the way it has chosen to maximize profit with exponentially-decreasing regard for customer good will...and I realize I am not crazy. I know I'm not disillusioned because my sentiments are validated by my fellow local gamer friends, and by multitudes of seemingly rational people on the internet.

I know it sounds silly and petty, and a little immature...but sometimes I feel like my best friend of 20 years has slowly been stealing from me behind my back, and sometime in the last few years I've woken up to find he's drugged me, emptied my bank account and ran off with my wife in my 72' MGB roadster.

Despite all of this, I still cannot bring myself to sell my 5+ 40k armies and 4+ fantasy armies.

The topical relevance of this long diatribe is this. I will be buying this model. Not for use in any game. And not in the numbers (say 5 or so) that I may have some years ago. But it does spark that nostalgic feeling I get when I think back to the days of Epic and Titan Legions, where everything in White Dwarf was useful and interesting to read, and all things were right in the world.

GW, why can't I quit you?

 Yodhrin wrote:
You can pretend people have always disliked the company to the same levels as today if you like, but the evidence doesn't back your position; no matter how many examples you can find on google from a Friday afternoon in January 1993, the complaints were less frequent, and more than that they existed in the context of a company that was growing every year and releasing products that people still play today and wish the company would return to; today they lose more customers every year, there is serious competition gaining ground on them, and more than that, regardless of whether you think complaints made in the past were justified, they are justified now.

Citation needed for pretty much this entire thing. You have no numbers for how many people like/dislike the company now or then, nor even for how many people play the game/leave the game now and then. Does it feel like more complaints right now? Sure, but that's because it is now, not then. Everything feels worse right now.

What I never get is why "if it bothers you so much feel free to not read the topic" seems to apply to everyone in the universe apart from people who don't want to hear GW's good name besmirched; as tiresome as you find it to read people's genuine grievances with GW's behaviour, believe me when I say that pales in comparison to how tiresome it is to see the same faces in every new release thread playing Opinion Police.

I have no problem with seeing GW's name besmirched every month. I agree that GW makes a lot of mistakes. I like to read the new release topics and don't mind seeing reasonable criticism about those releases. 50 pages of 'Lol finecost', 'omg dinozords', '6th edition is worse than anything in the history of ever' is a little much though.


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 Kroothawk wrote:

pretre wrote:
This is the problem right here. The rules aren't out yet, we have a release list and don't even know what is in the books and people are saying they are being bungled/rushed. Give it a week.

The rules are out officially, as officially they are included in the WD. Minus some things they "forgot".

No, the WD version of the rules are out. The codex itself and the real rules aren't out yet. Which is what I was talking about.

Also we have to remember that 10 to 20 years ago there was not the same level of internet community there is now. Not as much connection. I remember when it was just portent for all I knew.

Now there are lots of blogs, we receive rumors and pictures much earlier than I remember.

Combine that with the tendency for people to react super negatively from initial impressions(which is the most important impression) we are coloring entire releases on much less complete information and that coloring is carrying through unless something drastic happens. I am looking forward to seeing thte complete rules and fluff in the imperial knights codex(digital edition for the win). and I already ordered two(they are my incentive for if I get all my painting done in time for adepticon)

 puma713 wrote:

So it really is a matter of them thinking that we're just too dumb to just add 3 or 5 to the cart.

It's a psychological thing. Some people will see the bundles and be swayed to buy 3 or 5 if they were looking to get 2 or 4 instead. The easier you make it for people to spend money (especially on the internet) the more they will spend. Ever bought $500+ of models in one hit? It's a lot easier online where it's not "real" money since it's just numbers in your bank account as opposed to walking in with $500 cash in your hand and having to physically part with it....

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

Soooooo, what your saying is knights can't be allies with sisters or tau?

DId you have to quote the whole damn thing? Ugh

Just feedin' the thread

Seriously though, quote discipline please

I really hope that Codex has more than just what is represented in the kit. The fact that it is slightly cheaper than a regular codex is worrying me though.

Hope they've got another Knight kit up their sleeves with a two more ranged weapons and a variant chainsword.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I really hope that Codex has more than just what is represented in the kit. The fact that it is slightly cheaper than a regular codex is worrying me though.

Hope they've got another Knight kit up their sleeves with a two more ranged weapons and a variant chainsword.

On a side note, FW has said they are making alternate parts already.

Question for you guys. If I show up at your FLGS this week prior to the Imperial Knight release with a primary Dark Angel army, a sub-in model of ONE Imperial Knight, and ask you if you would like a friendly game to try out the IK with the pt cost and limited rules from WD and Facebook. Would you play that game with me? or would you say no becuase:

a. That's not the offical Model, its 1.5" too high and the base is 1" too long.
b. The rules are broken, I will never play with broken rules
c. The rules are not official, I will never play with stand-in rules
d. I have no superheavies, so its an unfair game, sorry I won't play
e. One look and I can see your list is broken/WAAC/just plain better then mine, I know I would lose just by looking
f. All of the above?

Want to ask becuase I want to gauge the kind of people I might run into at a FLGS, I don't play much these days but willing to try get more games in with models. I would hate being laugh at by doing something usual players might shun on.

 pretre wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I really hope that Codex has more than just what is represented in the kit. The fact that it is slightly cheaper than a regular codex is worrying me though.

Hope they've got another Knight kit up their sleeves with a two more ranged weapons and a variant chainsword.

On a side note, FW has said they are making alternate parts already.

Can't wait to see the price tag on those my $140 model is now a $300 dollar model

That model is not a very good representation of a 6 HP, AV 13 walker, imo... so I would personally prefer not to play against it.

If you're getting a knight, they come out this weekend so you could just partially assemble it, maybe?

Yeah, that's a horrible counts-as and looks a bit big even for a proxy.

Sorry mate, I don't like it for a sub either.


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Don't you have any Gundam? (or however it's spelled)

wufai wrote:
Question for you guys. If I show up at your FLGS this week prior to the Imperial Knight release with a primary Dark Angel army, a sub-in model of ONE Imperial Knight, and ask you if you would like a friendly game to try out the IK with the pt cost and limited rules from WD and Facebook. Would you play that game with me? or would you say no becuase:

a. That's not the offical Model, its 1.5" too high and the base is 1" too long.
b. The rules are broken, I will never play with broken rules
c. The rules are not official, I will never play with stand-in rules
d. I have no superheavies, so its an unfair game, sorry I won't play
e. One look and I can see your list is broken/WAAC/just plain better then mine, I know I would lose just by looking
f. All of the above?

Want to ask becuase I want to gauge the kind of people I might run into at a FLGS, I don't play much these days but willing to try get more games in with models. I would hate being laugh at by doing something usual players might shun on.

g. That doesn't look anything like a Knight Titan. No thanks!

Sorry, if you show up with a doll you stole from your daughter/sister and tried to tell me it was a super heavy I'd refuse to play a game with you. Ever...

wufai wrote:
Question for you guys. If I show up at your FLGS this week prior to the Imperial Knight release with a primary Dark Angel army, a sub-in model of ONE Imperial Knight, and ask you if you would like a friendly game to try out the IK with the pt cost and limited rules from WD and Facebook. Would you play that game with me? or would you say no becuase:

a. That's not the offical Model, its 1.5" too high and the base is 1" too long.
b. The rules are broken, I will never play with broken rules
c. The rules are not official, I will never play with stand-in rules
d. I have no superheavies, so its an unfair game, sorry I won't play
e. One look and I can see your list is broken/WAAC/just plain better then mine, I know I would lose just by looking
f. All of the above?

Want to ask becuase I want to gauge the kind of people I might run into at a FLGS, I don't play much these days but willing to try get more games in with models. I would hate being laugh at by doing something usual players might shun on.

I wouldn't mind at all. But then again, I don't even mind cardboard boxes with 'warhound' written on them, so I can't really speak for others, I suppose...

wufai wrote:
Question for you guys. If I show up at your FLGS this week prior to the Imperial Knight release with a primary Dark Angel army, a sub-in model of ONE Imperial Knight, and ask you if you would like a friendly game to try out the IK with the pt cost and limited rules from WD and Facebook. Would you play that game with me? or would you say no becuase:

Well aren't we a serious bunch.

"My toy soldiers refuse to play against your doll because I don't think you're taking the business of playing with toys seriously enough!"

I'd totally play against that. I don't have any qualms with meltaing a doll in the back.