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2014/03/02 10:58:27
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Making Stuff
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 Bull0 wrote:We don't know that they aren't in the IG book, do we? I mean, it's kind of unlikely, but it's not impossible
There would be no point in including them in the Guard codex now, since Guard can take them outside the FOC through the Knight codex. Leave the heavy support options open for the Baneblade.
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 DJGietzen wrote:The difference is as a codex it can be printed as a hardbound book. Dataslates are digital only products. They clearly thought of this product as being big and important and with that is the desire to not only print the rules, but print a collectors edition.
How much bigger and more important would it have been if they had waited on the codex until they actually had more than two units?
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2014/03/02 11:16:40
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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I'd be very surprised if the games workshop design studio is going to come out with any more units or models that could have been in this codex.
I hear FW is going to make stuff to expand this codex/model but FW products will not be included in GW's main product line so there was nothing to wait and include.
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2014/03/02 11:19:49
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Making Stuff
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DJGietzen wrote:I'd be very surprised if the games workshop design studio is going to come out with any more units or models that could have been in this codex.
Well, yes, now that they have the codex out, there would be little point, until they're ready to redo the codex.
That doesn't change the fact that a more complete codex later would have been a more sensible option than a codex with two units in it now.
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2014/03/02 11:35:02
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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 insaniak wrote:Well, yes, now that they have the codex out, there would be little point, until they're ready to redo the codex.
That doesn't change the fact that a more complete codex later would have been a more sensible option than a codex with two units in it now.
Picture yourself as someone who works for GW. You've given two choices:
1. Some money now.
2. More money later.
If you work for GW, I don't even get to say the second one before you've said yes to the first.
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2014/03/02 11:38:16
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Making Stuff
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Except the 'more money later' option would have still included 'some money now' if the Knight had been in the Guard codex instead.
In fact, I would wager it would have sold better as part of a revamped Guard codex than as a stand-alone, simply due to the distaste people have for this ridiculous excuse for the book.
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2014/03/02 11:53:57
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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insaniak wrote:Except the 'more money later' option would have still included 'some money now' if the Knight had been in the Guard codex instead.
In fact, I would wager it would have sold better as part of a revamped Guard codex than as a stand-alone, simply due to the distaste people have for this ridiculous excuse for the book.
Ah but your missing a fundamental of GWs business philosophy.
There isn't an issue of 'some money now' or 'some other money now'. Us smelly gamers will buy everything they put out, so if they add it into the guard release they sell us 1 guard codex. If they sell it separate right before the guard release they sell us 1 Knight codex AND 1 guard codex.
So why take some money now and more money later when you can have some money now and some more money now?
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 Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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2014/03/02 12:42:00
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Grey Knight Purgator firing around corners
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insaniak wrote:[...] since Guard can take them outside the FOC through the Knight codex. Leave the heavy support options open for the Baneblade.
... I think the Baneblade will just keep the Lord of War slot, leaving HS for "lesser" tanks, artillery, bombers...
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2014/03/02 13:00:50
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Is this the first Codex that has made an all-vehicle army legal?
It seems to me the most significant thing about this is that it means you can make a list that makes anything that's not a strength 8 ranged weapon (or rending) a non-factor against a Knight list. Terminators are pointless against a Knight, Nobz and Warbosses would get torn to pieces, Boltguns and Shootas would be useless. Assault Marines would be useless. Anything Strength 7 would hardly scratch the paintjob.
Are you just supposed to bench anti-infantry units if your meta becomes dominated exclusively by Knights?
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2014/03/02 13:04:19
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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 krazynadechukr wrote: Alpharius wrote: krazynadechukr wrote: DJGietzen wrote:i really want to see a side by side of the imperial knight and the 15mm leviathan models.
there is a pic of nemesis & knight a few pages back, nemesis is 5".... IK is 6 3/4"..... That'll be good idea of how small a 15mm DF will look....
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there is a pic of knight with tape measure. 4.5" puts 15mm df at knights chin....too small IMHO
 The Knight is not 6 3/4" tall...
6.5" at top of model.
So, NOT 6 3/4" tall? Right!
And if you take out the smoke stacks, which you should, unless if it had a banner on top you'd be back to claiming it was 8" tall?, that thing is just about...
...6" tall. Just like GW now claims.
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2014/03/02 14:38:47
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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£25 codex for one unit and several loadouts? That's... I can't even--
-ONE- unit?!
Seriously, isn't this what the dataslates are for? I honestly can't see this selling well.
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2014/03/02 14:47:36
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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So.. to use this unit you have to pay £25 for a rulebook for it as well?
Even for GW that is an absolute fething master-stroke - I keep thinking that there is no way they can top what they have already done in terms of bleeding the customer of every last penny, and then they pull something like this out of the backfield. 
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2014/03/02 15:11:55
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Ranor wrote:£25 codex for one unit and several loadouts? That's... I can't even--
-ONE- unit?!
Seriously, isn't this what the dataslates are for? I honestly can't see this selling well.
No, the dataslades are for adding the 3 FW loadouts to the 2 GW ones 
Oh, and don't forget, that they couldn't put all the pics and background into the Codex because it was so shock full of units, you need to buy the 75$ companion for that
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2014/03/02 15:31:00
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Thachng wrote:well here is one way to make it larger this is the Australia QLD townsville GW
Why am I seeing all of these Chaos conversions of Knights, if they aren't legally allowed to ally with Chaos? Hmmmm........... 
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2014/03/02 15:33:25
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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insaniak wrote:In fact, I would wager it would have sold better as part of a revamped Guard codex than as a stand-alone...
Isn't it "sold out" already anyway? How do you sell better than being out of stock? Listing in a different codex wouldn't have changed the number of units manufactured.
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2014/03/02 15:53:25
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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insaniak wrote:Except the 'more money later' option would have still included 'some money now' if the Knight had been in the Guard codex instead.
In fact, I would wager it would have sold better as part of a revamped Guard codex than as a stand-alone, simply due to the distaste people have for this ridiculous excuse for the book.
I think the real reason may be that GW did, indeed, need the money now, because isn't the end of the fiscal year coming up for them?
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2014/03/02 15:54:34
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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 Breotan wrote: insaniak wrote:In fact, I would wager it would have sold better as part of a revamped Guard codex than as a stand-alone...
Isn't it "sold out" already anyway? How do you sell better than being out of stock? Listing in a different codex wouldn't have changed the number of units manufactured.
'better' as in 'long term better', maybe?
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2014/03/02 15:56:17
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Wow, Alpha(male?)arius, what gives? Guess a photo with tape measure doesn't prove anything... Yeah, guess if you didn't complete the build of your model with smoke stacks, you'd be at 6.25" (to be exact). (Why would anyone do that? ). And if you kept the top carapace off, you'd be at 6", and if you added basing you could heighten it to 7", 8", or more, etc... wow dude.... who frakken cares, bro? It is what it is.
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2014/03/02 15:57:30
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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 sub-zero wrote:Thachng wrote:well here is one way to make it larger this is the Australia QLD townsville GW
Why am I seeing all of these Chaos conversions of Knights, if they aren't legally allowed to ally with Chaos? Hmmmm...........
Which kit do those extra bits come from, already?
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2014/03/02 16:01:25
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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the WoC fantasy warshrine
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2014/03/02 17:16:24
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Las Vegas
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sub-zero wrote:Thachng wrote:well here is one way to make it larger this is the Australia QLD townsville GW
Why am I seeing all of these Chaos conversions of Knights, if they aren't legally allowed to ally with Chaos? Hmmmm...........
Could fit quite handily in with a "traitor" IG army.
I'm planning on building my first Knight straight, likely painting as the Obsidian Knight, to get familiar with the kit before I do any conversions, but it's quite likely I will be doing a chaosed up version for my traitor guard after that.
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2014/03/02 17:32:57
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Coastal Bliss in the Shadow of Sizewell
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Aye Traitor Guard armies seem the most likely, I know Aura is considering to convert one down the line for hers based around those loyal to the Dark Mechanicus.
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2014/03/02 17:36:37
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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There will probably be a chaos knight version that comes out withan extra sprue of spikes, maybe different head options and a tail. With a price according to it. Then there will be a codex for chaos knights, with a separate painting guide, heraldry guide, and compendium not to mention limited editions of each. They will of course wait until all the chaos players buy this kit before they release that kit to get the omg I've got to buy that kit with those bits crews  .
After that hysteria is done then the looted knight will come out with a separate sprue of glyphs and orky whatnot to go with it and all the books too.
Then the genestealer cult knight will release...
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2014/03/02 17:36:44
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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 krazynadechukr wrote:Wow, Alpha(male?)arius, what gives? Guess a photo with tape measure doesn't prove anything... Yeah, guess if you didn't complete the build of your model with smoke stacks, you'd be at 6.25" (to be exact). (Why would anyone do that? ). And if you kept the top carapace off, you'd be at 6", and if you added basing you could heighten it to 7", 8", or more, etc... wow dude.... who frakken cares, bro? It is what it is.
You're the one that started off pushing this thing to 8" - then 6 3/4" and now you've finally settled at 6 1/4" - so, great! 
Also, how tall is that Chaos Knight for you - 12"?
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2014/03/02 17:37:48
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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Oh my, I had completely missed that while trawling the website. The preview image is so small...
So with that kit, the Knight, and the White Dwarf, that's 245$
Hey Australia... why doesn't the motherland love us anymore?
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2014/03/02 17:42:35
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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$245 seems more then sensible for a model that technically speaking cant be used Automatically Appended Next Post: Link to painted knight down in the showcase
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/582655.page
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2014/03/02 18:27:38
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Oh my, I had completely missed that while trawling the website. The preview image is so small...
So with that kit, the Knight, and the White Dwarf, that's 245$
Hey Australia... why doesn't the motherland love us anymore?
Looks like I can get those bits of the warshrine for about 10 bucks.
Maybe 15, if I want to get the bits for a specific chaos god. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Again, it can quite handily be used if you play a traitor themed guard army.
YMMV
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2014/03/02 18:29:39
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The Knight is a lovely model. But considering the time and utility I will get from it, I don't consider it to be expensive. I will spend days building and painting it and will "hopefully" have it for ever. Already been looking for suitable decals to use my own colour scheme. Venice Vidicon Vici have some good possibilities - http://www.3vwargames.co.uk/
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2014/03/02 19:25:26
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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 Theophony wrote:There will probably be a chaos knight version that comes out withan extra sprue of spikes, maybe different head options and a tail. With a price according to it. Then there will be a codex for chaos knights, with a separate painting guide, heraldry guide, and compendium not to mention limited editions of each. They will of course wait until all the chaos players buy this kit before they release that kit to get the omg I've got to buy that kit with those bits crews .
After that hysteria is done then the looted knight will come out with a separate sprue of glyphs and orky whatnot to go with it and all the books too.
Then the genestealer cult knight will release...
When looking at the kit 2 sprues are the body and the 3rd has all the heads and pladin and errant unquic parts. I imagin future knight kit would replace this 3rd sprue
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2014/03/02 19:31:29
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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Breotan wrote:Isn't it "sold out" already anyway? How do you sell better than being out of stock?
By not producing the kit in small enough amounts that it will sell out so that you can artificially pad your investor report with another item that 'sold out' to prove you are doing well?
Seriously, without knowing the actual quantities involved, there is no way to equate selling 'out' with selling 'well'. I'm also working on the assumption that they'll still be selling it once they've made more...
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2014/03/02 19:34:51
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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insaniak wrote: Breotan wrote:Isn't it "sold out" already anyway? How do you sell better than being out of stock?
By not producing the kit in small enough amounts that it will sell out so that you can artificially pad your investor report with another item that 'sold out' to prove you are doing well?
Seriously, without knowing the actual quantities involved, there is no way to equate selling 'out' with selling 'well'. I'm also working on the assumption that they'll still be selling it once they've made more...
I don't think the investors report mentions whether things "sell out" or not. They just show sales (in money, not individual products).
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