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Your sig : "Macragge, Gullyman, Emparah" says everything. It is correctly, Emperor > Imperium > Primarch > chapter.
I belive it should be
Emperor>Primarch>Chapter>Imperium
The imperium is nothing now but a clust feth of things that the Emprah stood against *cough eclisiarchy cough*
Sgt_Smudge wrote: To be fair, he had no idea the Psychic Scourge was corrupy and did it under Inquisitor Drogan's orders, who is an INQUISITOR and should be obeyed by everyone under him, including Captains of the Adeptus Astartes. But you're a Space Wolf, you wouldn't understand Inquisitorial Authority.
There is a difference between understanding and not giving a feth. The inquisition is a terrible group of paranoid murder mongers who have no care for whom they kill, man or heretic/xenos. Feth the Inquisition.
Haven't been keeping up with the entire discussion but just to comment on the OP.
Hobby wise I think the smurfs aren't the most popular because they're the posterboy good guys like you said. I've read 'Warriors of Ultramar' countless times and loved it every read. Ventris and the other marines were solid characters and it showed how they weren't just faceless bad asses hat were by the book. But the stigma is still there of 'Ultramarines are the guys who follow the plan and are all LG. The main problem is that they are at their core a 'flawless' chapter. Save for a slightly zealous chaplain and 1st company vets the chapter as a whole has no tragic flaws which is something every good hero needs.
Hobby wise I think the smurfs aren't the most popular because they're the posterboy good guys like you said.
Was better in the old days when the Crimson Fists were the posterboys. They get gak done unlike the Ultramarines. *cough* Damnos *cough*
Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
Crimson Fists adorned the 3E SM codex cover, then the full image was seen with that same crew being wiped out moments later. Ha ha, nice troll there GEE-DUBYAAAA.
Inquisitions doing. At least they saved the planet... and not let it be occupied.
Kantor even carried civillians to safety personally on their trip to New Rynn City. Do you see the Ultrasmarines doing such a doubly heartwarming and doubly awesome act of kindness?
They follow the codex quite strictly. Without spanking anyone who goes out of it in battles. Unlike the Ultramarines. Plus they're a prettier shade of blue.
PrehistoricUFO wrote: Crimson Fists adorned the 3E SM codex cover, then the full image was seen with that same crew being wiped out moments later. Ha ha, nice troll there GEE-DUBYAAAA.
Nice try. That's Cortez on top. He survived...
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Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
Verstaka wrote: Haven't been keeping up with the entire discussion but just to comment on the OP.
Hobby wise I think the smurfs aren't the most popular because they're the posterboy good guys like you said. I've read 'Warriors of Ultramar' countless times and loved it every read. Ventris and the other marines were solid characters and it showed how they weren't just faceless bad asses hat were by the book. But the stigma is still there of 'Ultramarines are the guys who follow the plan and are all LG. The main problem is that they are at their core a 'flawless' chapter. Save for a slightly zealous chaplain and 1st company vets the chapter as a whole has no tragic flaws which is something every good hero needs.
funny thing is I personally get sick of the "emo flawed emoness" so often in gaming
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
The Grumpy Eldar wrote: Inquisitions doing. At least they saved the planet... and not let it be occupied.
Kantor even carried civillians to safety personally on their trip to New Rynn City. Do you see the Ultrasmarines doing such a doubly heartwarming and doubly awesome act of kindness?
They follow the codex quite strictly. Without spanking anyone who goes out of it in battles. Unlike the Ultramarines. Plus they're a prettier shade of blue.
PrehistoricUFO wrote: Crimson Fists adorned the 3E SM codex cover, then the full image was seen with that same crew being wiped out moments later. Ha ha, nice troll there GEE-DUBYAAAA.
I like the Ultramarines, so I guess I can never be part of the cool group.
But then again, I have like the Ultrmarines since the Black Templars were nothing more than another codex chapter.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Engine of War wrote:Of course an often over looked fact.
They are not called Ultramarines because they are "Ultra" or "Super" or better in anyway then other space marines.
They are called Ultramarines because.... They are Ultramarine blue.... and that's it.... Woopee. They "greatest" marines are named after the color they wear and suddenly they are the "best' without question?
I don't get it.....
I'm not so sure that's why they were called Ultramarines, but thats maybe why their colours are Ultramarine Blue. FYI if the the Ultramarines had left people thinking that that meant they were 'super' as you said, then Alpha Legion must.. be.... the best of the best.
Hobby wise I think the smurfs aren't the most popular because they're the posterboy good guys like you said.
Was better in the old days when the Crimson Fists were the posterboys. They get gak done unlike the Ultramarines. *cough* Damnos *cough*
Like getting their monastery blown up.
Good one there, Crimson Fists.
I love Crimson Fists and appreciate their solidish fluff, but it is important to know that I rigidly oppose criticism to the Crimson Fists, but this made me lose it. Have an exalt!
When I was a kid, I identified with the imagery of them. My mom and dad moved here from Rome and then had me, so my nonno and nonna's house, and my relatives' and indeed my own, were always full of Roman/Italian imagery, lots of laurel wreaths and Roman warriors and SPQR, etc. etc.
When I first decided to collect marines as a little guy, I was immediately attracted to what appeared to be my people - in space with big effing guns fighting brutal aliens! I knew instantly it was a top contender for my chapter. Then, as I read about the fluff, I started to recognize names and started to love the epic tales of victory headed by Marneus Calgar, and so on. I finally picked them and never regretted it since.
I'll admit though, Black Templars were a very close second. I was attracted to the simple color scheme and dark lore (at the time there wasn't a whole lot focusing on BT though).
My answer is a little more pragmatic than some of the other folks here who seem to genuinely identify with the ideology or status quos of some of these chapters. I don't feel like my reason is as cool. :(
Also, you made a mistake..
Black Templars are the best
Best at being emperor defying heretics you mean.
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote: No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
Guys don't go so rough on the ultramarines. The HH has explained that every chapter had it's role to play in the great crusade and after. The ultramarines are the administrators of the imperium. The were given a filing system called the Codex Astartes, which was penned by the greatest secretary of all time, Robert Girlyman. Their most dangerous Astartes can type over 90 words per minute and because of all their dedication to training, they can do this without error. They have been a bastion against the terrors of mis-spelling, bad grammar and empty coffee cups since Calth. They are the dedicated support staff of their entire sector and because of the stability of their gene seed, they have managed to spawn typing pools across all sectors of the imperium. Hell I even have one of their neophytes typing this to you now. Anyway! The ultra-marines are an integral part of 40K (given that its written) and although you other chapters are fierce barbaric warriors like my beloved wolves. You should not make a mess and offend their delicate sensibilities. (and if they ask just say Yes the codex supports this action) Now that we have all that straightened out I feel like I could do with a recaff. " Yes neophyte another recaff will see you well on your way to becoming an ultramarine. Hurry up now!"
Anyone else though that the Ultramarines gene seed might be better improved if their bletchers gland produced milk for recaff instead of Acid ? Maybe one to mention to the Alfather when I see him
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My problem with UM has always been, very simply, I don't like Blue!
Nothing against them I just cant stand the colour!
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Imperious wrote: Guys don't go so rough on the ultramarines. The HH has explained that every chapter had it's role to play in the great crusade and after. The ultramarines are the administrators of the imperium. The were given a filing system called the Codex Astartes, which was penned by the greatest secretary of all time, Robert Girlyman. Their most dangerous Astartes can type over 90 words per minute and because of all their dedication to training, they can do this without error. They have been a bastion against the terrors of mis-spelling, bad grammar and empty coffee cups since Calth. They are the dedicated support staff of their entire sector and because of the stability of their gene seed, they have managed to spawn typing pools across all sectors of the imperium. Hell I even have one of their neophytes typing this to you now. Anyway! The ultra-marines are an integral part of 40K (given that its written) and although you other chapters are fierce barbaric warriors like my beloved wolves. You should not make a mess and offend their delicate sensibilities. (and if they ask just say Yes the codex supports this action) Now that we have all that straightened out I feel like I could do with a recaff. " Yes neophyte another recaff will see you well on your way to becoming an ultramarine. Hurry up now!"
Anyone else though that the Ultramarines gene seed might be better improved if their bletchers gland produced milk for recaff instead of Acid ? Maybe one to mention to the Alfather when I see him
I know you are mocking, but you have a solid point. The strength of the Ultramarines is in logistics. It’s not glorious, it’s not sexy, but it gets the job done when you are conquering the galaxy. People like to rag on the Codex, but the proof is in the pudding. Rather then getting drunk/emo/black ragey afer a fight the Ultras just set up a supply depot, make sure the planet is stable, and get ready for the next job.
One thing I like a a gamer is the lack of flaws. We don’t have any overwhelming strengths, but lack any crippling weakness. Just solid, dependable, marines. For most of the history of the game, all the other chapters were the special snowflakes hogging the limelight. Ultramarines were the average joe, under-appreciated and overlooked. The underdogs. The other chapters were marines++. So it was nice to take the vanilla marines to victory, without all the special rules and perks of the divergent chapters.
Hobby wise I think the smurfs aren't the most popular because they're the posterboy good guys like you said.
Was better in the old days when the Crimson Fists were the posterboys. They get gak done unlike the Ultramarines. *cough* Damnos *cough*
The Ultramarines destroyed the Necrons of Damnos though.
Good news for the Eldar.
After having to glass said world, quite the epic "win" indeed, loosing a whole world that can never be reconquerd and turned to the service of the Imperium
Trondheim wrote: After having to glass said world, quite the epic "win" indeed, loosing a whole world that can never be reconquerd and turned to the service of the Imperium
They didn't have to glass anything, and in fact Damnos was resettled by the Damnosians extracted by the Ultramarines.
All in all a resounding victory for the boys in blue.
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I know you are mocking, but you have a solid point. The strength of the Ultramarines is in logistics. It’s not glorious, it’s not sexy, but it gets the job done when you are conquering the galaxy. People like to rag on the Codex, but the proof is in the pudding. Rather then getting drunk/emo/black ragey afer a fight the Ultras just set up a supply depot, make sure the planet is stable, and get ready for the next job.
One thing I like a a gamer is the lack of flaws. We don’t have any overwhelming strengths, but lack any crippling weakness. Just solid, dependable, marines. For most of the history of the game, all the other chapters were the special snowflakes hogging the limelight. Ultramarines were the average joe, under-appreciated and overlooked. The underdogs. The other chapters were marines++. So it was nice to take the vanilla marines to victory, without all the special rules and perks of the divergent chapters.
Alas some gentle mocking is good for all brother. I think Black Library missed a bit of a trick with the Ultra-Marines. They are based on the Roman Empire but with out all the greatness of the Empires great men. Where are your Ceasers? Your Marc Anthonys. These were great men in a great empire. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Ultra-marines but they seem more dogmatic than the Mechanicus. I get Roman but I just wish there was a bit of Sparta in there as well. You are the first among equals of the founding chapters and have had more influence on how the imperium is governed than any chapter.
TBH I think BL authors struggle quite a bit with them. I think everyone respects them but it's kind of hard to love them.The way they are written, if they win a battle you just feel like saying well done Robert Gulliman. Your paint by numbers battle plan worked out well again.
Furyou Miko wrote: Well, I'm not a primary Marines player, but here's why I chose the Marines that I did;
We had a duty. We were the wardens of a tear in space. We were at the forefront of the battle against the evils of Chaos. Our duty held us strongly, gripped us with purpose. So great was the threat our charge posed that two other Chapters were set against it. Together, we were the Maelstrom Wardens, a powerful bulwark against the renegade - and worse.
Ootheca, our home, wasn't the greatest world of the Imperium, but it was ours. Then the tithe ships came to neighbouring Badab. Our dear friends, the Astral Claws, were held ransom by fiends posing as the Adeptus Terra. They protected themselves, and again from more strikes. Then a strike at our hearts- the Fire Hawks attacked our home system without warning or offer of parlay. We had been betrayed by the very Imperium we had sacrificed so much to protect.
More came, and more. We held them at bay, bouyed by the assistance of the other Maelstrom Warders and the Astral Claws' debt-allies, the Executioners. We suffered for our honour, our ancient alliances, but we persevered. We struck. We hunted.
All for nothing. Though it was the Fire Hawks' incompetence that had pulled us into this war, it was the perfidy - the outright duplicity - of our supposed friend Huron that had begat it.
Once, we were the thin green line between the Maelstrom and the Imperium. Now, we are reduced to penitent scraps. We were heroes, now we struggle to earn forgiveness for the crime of holding honour above duty.
We are the Mantis Warriors, and we will not make the same mistake again.
That was kinda cool. Have an exalt.
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Yeah, Ultramarines, you suck! Why aren't you a bunch of werewolves, or vampires, or frothing madmen, religious nut-jobs, or guys who can't wrap up their dirty little secret even given 10,000 years?
If people hate the Ultramarines because they are too-perfect GW poster boys, than why don't more people hate Grey Knights? Because that's essentially what they are.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
It always seemed like GK had a bunch of hatred tossed at them. To the point where they are still arguably in the bottom three of marine armies in terms of the degree by which people dislike them.
AegisGrimm wrote: Yeah, Ultramarines, you suck! Why aren't you a bunch of werewolves, or vampires, or frothing madmen, religious nut-jobs, or guys who can't wrap up their dirty little secret even given 10,000 years?
If people hate the Ultramarines because they are too-perfect GW poster boys, than why don't more people hate Grey Knights? Because that's essentially what they are.
It's mainly because of Codex: Ultramarines. People got sick of them.
But have an exalt, very good point. I actually like Ultramarines 3rd Company, the red on blue looks awesome :3
They didn't have to glass anything, and in fact Damnos was resettled by the Damnosians extracted by the Ultramarines.
All in all a resounding victory for the boys in blue.
Pretty sure this isn't true, unless the fluff was retconned again.
They didn't have to glass anything, and in fact Damnos was resettled by the Damnosians extracted by the Ultramarines.
All in all a resounding victory for the boys in blue.
Pretty sure this isn't true, unless the fluff was retconned again.
It's true and there was no retcon. The Ultramarines second company was still repelled from Damnos during the first war, but the Ultramarines would return 26 years later at the request of the High Lords in order to restore the Imperium's flagging morale. There they crushed the Necrons, and the Damnosians who had been evacuated during the first war and their children were given the whole planet to resettle.
Warzone Damnos covers the first and second wars.
For two-thosand years we have tread the blackness of space and the mind bending colours of the warp to hold back the storm encroching upon the Imperium. For two millenia we have battled the endless cultist hordes, the multitude of xenos races, and the heritics that were once our brothers to preserve the domain of are Lord.
And yet through all the blood, the pain, and the sacrifices endured, I still find myself blessed to be called an Astartes.
Not for me will there be a slow decaying death until I am a dulard drueling into my gruel as time has wearied me into old age. Nor shall I been stricken by disease or some hot fever of the flesh. For I am not built to die from such pitiful things.
Death awaits me out amongst the star strung void, but I shall not shrink from it. For it is my fate to be imortal and yet never live it. To die in the endless turmoil of war, another statistic. Another name on a wall. Another brother lost to the cold reaches of the mind.
But that is not what drives us.
Strength and honour guide our hands while we chant our litanies of hate, and sing our battle hyms of retribution.for we are the Panther Claws, and we pay the cost of duty glady.
Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
I know you are mocking, but you have a solid point. The strength of the Ultramarines is in logistics. It’s not glorious, it’s not sexy, but it gets the job done when you are conquering the galaxy. People like to rag on the Codex, but the proof is in the pudding. Rather then getting drunk/emo/black ragey afer a fight the Ultras just set up a supply depot, make sure the planet is stable, and get ready for the next job.
One thing I like a a gamer is the lack of flaws. We don’t have any overwhelming strengths, but lack any crippling weakness. Just solid, dependable, marines. For most of the history of the game, all the other chapters were the special snowflakes hogging the limelight. Ultramarines were the average joe, under-appreciated and overlooked. The underdogs. The other chapters were marines++. So it was nice to take the vanilla marines to victory, without all the special rules and perks of the divergent chapters.
Alas some gentle mocking is good for all brother. I think Black Library missed a bit of a trick with the Ultra-Marines. They are based on the Roman Empire but with out all the greatness of the Empires great men. Where are your Ceasers? Your Marc Anthonys. These were great men in a great empire. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Ultra-marines but they seem more dogmatic than the Mechanicus. I get Roman but I just wish there was a bit of Sparta in there as well. You are the first among equals of the founding chapters and have had more influence on how the imperium is governed than any chapter.
TBH I think BL authors struggle quite a bit with them. I think everyone respects them but it's kind of hard to love them.The way they are written, if they win a battle you just feel like saying well done Robert Gulliman. Your paint by numbers battle plan worked out well again.
Except the Ultramarines DO have great men.
they have more ICs then just about any other chapter. Maraus Calgar is described as being a great stratagist.
Cato Sicrus is described as being a bit of a glory hound with fall of Damnos suggesting there's some definate inter chapter politics going on for the next chapter master,
there's the whole HOST of other ICs, each with their own characterization, and ALL of whom are very much "great men"
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two