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Gay friends... dont have any of those :/ if anything, I'm commonly confused as being gay, mostly because I'm in a pretty intense bromance

(that was a joke people, though I am in what has been described as an intense bromance lol)

 poppa G wrote:
I've never been turned down for a number. So here's my little 'trick' if you want to call it that.
So say you're in a bar setting, you're laughing and having fun with this person. You guys really click. So I'll just say hey I've had fun talking with you, I have to go but I wish to get to know you better, what's your number?
It's not clever in the slightest but because you've left a very good first impression on her instead of rushing this question earlier in the night there's no way she would say no to a second chance to hang with you.

Basically, you are saying that if some girl is having a great time with you and she really wants to see you again, it it not hard to get her number ? Non kidding ?
The problem is how to get there, and maybe sometime also to realize you are there.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Basically, you are saying that if some girl is having a great time with you and she really wants to see you again, it it not hard to get her number ? Non kidding ?
The problem is how to get there, and maybe sometime also to realize you are there.

The only alternatives to "not being fun to be around" in terms of meeting (and sleeping with) women are 1) be wealthy, 2) be far above average in terms of physical attractiveness, or 3) pay for sex. Since two of those cost more than being an awesome person (plenty of broke-as-a-joke guys get hot girls...even broke guys who are dumber than a bag of hammers...simply because they're fun to be around), and one is more of a "you're born with it" kind of thing, the focus should probably be on improving your interpersonal skills.

Sometimes realizing you're there can be difficult. If there's doubt, don't ask for a number. It's 2014...women will often ask for your number if they really want it, though it's better form to ask first it doesn't really matter. A takedown is a takedown.

So nobody has heard of any books on evolutionary psychology? I am not trying to joke here, there is actually some really good stuff in the field that is applicable to cases like this.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Sometimes realizing you're there can be difficult. If there's doubt, don't ask for a number.

I would say given say that given the average self-confidence of people that visit this thread for advice, this would mean never ever asking .

What is evolutionary psychology?

Basically says that all mental abilities work like interconnected modules, and that most of them evolved in the cave man days so they are no longer applicable. Helps to know certain subtle ways to be more attractive.

Yeah, I tried pissing myself as I heard it contains pheromones but I don't think it's helping me at all.

Keys to being more attractive... part your hair on the left... no really, i was reading a study yesterday that found that men who part their hair on the left are seen as more attractive, confident and masculine, while men who part it on the right are seen as weaker, more effeminate, and less confident. The same holds true for women (in other words, women who part their hair on the right are generally preferred over women who part it on the left).

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What is evolutionary psychology?

Ridiculous pseudoscience that invents "what if" stories without any evidence at all, and always justifies our existing biases and stereotypes. The original concepts weren't bad, but now the field is 99% garbage.

Yeah, that evolutionary psychology is the 'science' (read: pseudoscience) behind much of the PUA articles you can find online advertising the secret to getting women.

Oh. I am not found of pseudo-science. I prefer science. Or fiction. Or science-fiction .

Im finding Tinder to be very frustrating.... I keep finding myself going on long long bouts of nonstop nos, even when I see girls that Im pretty sure I might find attractive otherwise, no idea why.

No,not internet EP, that is mostly garbage. You generally need to get (gasp)books written by (gasp)people who know what they are talking about, which contains (gasp) very little to do with dating, mostly things that arer within the realms of normal psychology.
Also, Darwin has mentioned it, so it is not "psuedoscience"

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
No,not internet EP, that is mostly garbage. You generally need to get (gasp)books written by (gasp)people who know what they are talking about, which contains (gasp) very little to do with dating, mostly things that arer within the realms of normal psychology.
Also, Darwin has mentioned it, so it is not "psuedoscience"

While a lot of stuff Darwin did holds up he still produces the occasional stinker like this "I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths," Darwin concluded, "till a creature was

produced as monstrous as a whale". What Darwin did for science is incredible but he shouldn't be seen as the absolute authority on the subject and the work of other experts in the field should be taken in consideration as well. That being said I know very little about evolutionary biology so

I have no idea how legit it is.

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
No,not internet EP, that is mostly garbage. You generally need to get (gasp)books written by (gasp)people who know what they are talking about, which contains (gasp) very little to do with dating, mostly things that arer within the realms of normal psychology.
Also, Darwin has mentioned it, so it is not "psuedoscience"

Is this some of that Pick Up Artist trash?


Thought for the day: If you need psychological tricks to pick up women, it's a pretty clear sign you probably suck.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
No,not internet EP, that is mostly garbage. You generally need to get (gasp)books written by (gasp)people who know what they are talking about, which contains (gasp) very little to do with dating, mostly things that arer within the realms of normal psychology.
Also, Darwin has mentioned it, so it is not "psuedoscience"

Is this some of that Pick Up Artist trash?


Thought for the day: If you need psychological tricks to pick up women, it's a pretty clear sign you probably suck.

To some people, the things PUAs teach aren't readily apparent and need to be learned. I've never read any of the stuff in detail but a buddy of mine from the army teaches it and routinely slays ridiculously attractive women, so he's obviously doing something right.

From what he's told me in conversation, it's things that most guys who are good with women will do anyway. 99% of it you could probably get from reading this thread.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Thought for the day: If you need psychological tricks to pick up women, it's a pretty clear sign you probably suck.

You know most people that most people that comes to this thread have both troubles picking up women, and self-esteem issues, right ?

Sure Hybrid, but that's more a "develop self esteem" (easy to say, harder to do) then taking the advice of a man who thinks this is a good hat...


Or espouses any form or format of NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programing) the pseudoscience behind most PUA advice that is soundly bs if you ask actual shrinks.

I stand by my statement, if you're turning to subversion and tricks, especially ones prepackaged and sold to you by someone A. you're probably getting ripped off by the guy selling you the tricks and B. Isn't it more likely the problem's closer to home?

It's not about being perceived as geeky or having weird hobbies, we all have those, every human on this planet has something they're a little too into that most people aren't that interested in, but especially in the age of Marvel making multibillion dollar blockbusters multiple times a year that isn't a problem.

Personally I found my issues with women back in the day were internal, not my approach, not my hobbies, but me just generally not being a good dude. So instead of learning "game" or learning "tricks" I improved myself for me, physically, mentally and socially. Everything else followed from there. Hell I went from king of the dorks in high school to marrying a model. Sure she tried to kill me (literally) but feth man if I can do it I have full faith and confidence in any one else to get their own matrimonial murder attempt if they dig and push themselves.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Thought for the day: If you need psychological tricks to pick up women, it's a pretty clear sign you probably suck.

You know most people that most people that comes to this thread have both troubles picking up women, and self-esteem issues, right ?

Sure, people have problems and need advice. But there's a difference between good advice (dressing neatly, confidence, etc) and PUA pseudoscience. The whole PUA concept is that women and dating are just a game, and they'll give you the cheat codes so you can just use a few gimmicks and have all the women you want, without having to do anything difficult like trying to make yourself be the kind of person that women want to date. The only thing preventing it from being a blatant scam is the fact that the people selling it seem to be genuinely stupid enough to believe their own nonsense.


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FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
You generally need to get (gasp)books written by (gasp)people who know what they are talking about, which contains (gasp) very little to do with dating, mostly things that arer within the realms of normal psychology.

No, even "real" evolutionary psychology is mostly pseudoscience. The vast majority of it is just "what if" speculation with no evidence behind it, other than "this seems plausible to me". Which is unfortunate, because the basic concept of attempting to look back at the origins of our minds is a good one, it's just misused by a bunch of frauds writing empty speculation about how all of their opinions on how society should work are somehow magically backed by "science".

Also, Darwin has mentioned it, so it is not "psuedoscience"

Do you know what an appeal to authority is? Clearly not.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Sure Hybrid, but that's more a "develop self esteem" (easy to say, harder to do) then taking the advice of a man who thinks this is a good hat...


Or espouses any form or format of NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programing) the pseudoscience behind most PUA advice that is soundly bs if you ask actual shrinks.

I stand by my statement, if you're turning to subversion and tricks, especially ones prepackaged and sold to you by someone A. you're probably getting ripped off by the guy selling you the tricks and B. Isn't it more likely the problem's closer to home?

It's not about being perceived as geeky or having weird hobbies, we all have those, every human on this planet has something they're a little too into that most people aren't that interested in, but especially in the age of Marvel making multibillion dollar blockbusters multiple times a year that isn't a problem.

Personally I found my issues with women back in the day were internal, not my approach, not my hobbies, but me just generally not being a good dude. So instead of learning "game" or learning "tricks" I improved myself for me, physically, mentally and socially. Everything else followed from there. Hell I went from king of the dorks in high school to marrying a model. Sure she tried to kill me (literally) but feth man if I can do it I have full faith and confidence in any one else to get their own matrimonial murder attempt if they dig and push themselves.

Great post Kalashnikov.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Sure Hybrid, but that's more a "develop self esteem" (easy to say, harder to do) then taking the advice of a man who thinks this is a good hat...

What? What is that?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Personally I found my issues with women back in the day were internal, not my approach, not my hobbies, but me just generally not being a good dude. So instead of learning "game" or learning "tricks" I improved myself for me, physically, mentally and socially. Everything else followed from there. Hell I went from king of the dorks in high school to marrying a model. Sure she tried to kill me (literally)

Okay, now that is a story that needs to be told!
Why were you not a good dude?

I do not intend to buy PUA books and I do not intend to ever lie about me to get girls, but your formulation was a bit… harsh. I guess I read it as “if you cannot pick up women (without using psychological tricks) it is a pretty clear sign that you suck”.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


Personally I found my issues with women back in the day were internal, not my approach, not my hobbies, but me just generally not being a good dude. So instead of learning "game" or learning "tricks" I improved myself for me, physically, mentally and socially. Everything else followed from there. Hell I went from king of the dorks in high school to marrying a model. Sure she tried to kill me (literally) but feth man if I can do it I have full faith and confidence in any one else to get their own matrimonial murder attempt if they dig and push themselves.

Wait, what!?? You're married!?

Also, I seem to have worked through my Tinder troubles, I just had to adjust the frame of reference from "Am I interested in dating you?" to "Do I find you at all remotely attractive and/or would I sleep with you." Unfortunately, the downside of this is that I now have a dozen or so matches that I really have no interest in whatsoever (which is again, odd, because I'm reasonably sure if I had met them at a bar I *might* be slightly more interested), but hey, its an ego boost

chaos0xomega wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


Personally I found my issues with women back in the day were internal, not my approach, not my hobbies, but me just generally not being a good dude. So instead of learning "game" or learning "tricks" I improved myself for me, physically, mentally and socially. Everything else followed from there. Hell I went from king of the dorks in high school to marrying a model. Sure she tried to kill me (literally) but feth man if I can do it I have full faith and confidence in any one else to get their own matrimonial murder attempt if they dig and push themselves.

Wait, what!?? You're married!?

Also, I seem to have worked through my Tinder troubles, I just had to adjust the frame of reference from "Am I interested in dating you?" to "Do I find you at all remotely attractive and/or would I sleep with you." Unfortunately, the downside of this is that I now have a dozen or so matches that I really have no interest in whatsoever (which is again, odd, because I'm reasonably sure if I had met them at a bar I *might* be slightly more interested), but hey, its an ego boost

Seriously; Tinder works.

I managed to accidentally a girlfriend through Tinder last month.
Only the second date I've had from it as well.

I call that a 50% success rate!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Keys to being more attractive... part your hair on the left... no really, i was reading a study yesterday that found that men who part their hair on the left are seen as more attractive, confident and masculine, while men who part it on the right are seen as weaker, more effeminate, and less confident. The same holds true for women (in other words, women who part their hair on the right are generally preferred over women who part it on the left).

I've parted my hair on the left my whole life, and I can't say it's been especially beneficial. However I have a fancy-dress wig that parts on the right and I've literally had girls run up to me on the street to tell me I look like someone they know, or someone famous, when I have worn it outside. One girl even tried to take off my jeans in a bar (and she wasn't just some random drunk either, she was the lead singer of the band that was playing). Though in fairness it is a pretty cool wig...

http://www.truemirror.com/HairPartTheory%28c%292001TMCInc.pdf

 Smacks wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Keys to being more attractive... part your hair on the left... no really, i was reading a study yesterday that found that men who part their hair on the left are seen as more attractive, confident and masculine, while men who part it on the right are seen as weaker, more effeminate, and less confident. The same holds true for women (in other words, women who part their hair on the right are generally preferred over women who part it on the left).

I've parted my hair on the left my whole life, and I can't say it's been especially beneficial. However I have a fancy-dress wig that parts on the right and I've literally had girls run up to me on the street to tell me I look like someone they know, or someone famous, when I have worn it outside. One girl even tried to take off my jeans in a bar (and she wasn't just some random drunk either, she was the lead singer of the band that was playing). Though in fairness it is a pretty cool wig...

I'll give you $10 dakka dollars for that wig!

You know. For science!

chaos0xomega wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


Personally I found my issues with women back in the day were internal, not my approach, not my hobbies, but me just generally not being a good dude. So instead of learning "game" or learning "tricks" I improved myself for me, physically, mentally and socially. Everything else followed from there. Hell I went from king of the dorks in high school to marrying a model. Sure she tried to kill me (literally) but feth man if I can do it I have full faith and confidence in any one else to get their own matrimonial murder attempt if they dig and push themselves.

Wait, what!?? You're married!?

Also, I seem to have worked through my Tinder troubles, I just had to adjust the frame of reference from "Am I interested in dating you?" to "Do I find you at all remotely attractive and/or would I sleep with you." Unfortunately, the downside of this is that I now have a dozen or so matches that I really have no interest in whatsoever (which is again, odd, because I'm reasonably sure if I had met them at a bar I *might* be slightly more interested), but hey, its an ego boost

There ya go!

Look at it this way: Would you want women to write you off for reasons X, Y, and Z? Probably not. Don't be so quick to write off some of these girls as people you wouldn't date. Who knows - maybe you'll chat it up with them and have an amazing conversation. You'll only know if you actually go and meet them in person...

No, probably not, but lookin at the girls I've matched with thus far, they're just 'meh' to me, not even interested enough to try chatting them up when I'm bored.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Sure Hybrid, but that's more a "develop self esteem" (easy to say, harder to do) then taking the advice of a man who thinks this is a good hat...


Or espouses any form or format of NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programing) the pseudoscience behind most PUA advice that is soundly bs if you ask actual shrinks.

I stand by my statement, if you're turning to subversion and tricks, especially ones prepackaged and sold to you by someone A. you're probably getting ripped off by the guy selling you the tricks and B. Isn't it more likely the problem's closer to home?

It's not about being perceived as geeky or having weird hobbies, we all have those, every human on this planet has something they're a little too into that most people aren't that interested in, but especially in the age of Marvel making multibillion dollar blockbusters multiple times a year that isn't a problem.

Personally I found my issues with women back in the day were internal, not my approach, not my hobbies, but me just generally not being a good dude. So instead of learning "game" or learning "tricks" I improved myself for me, physically, mentally and socially. Everything else followed from there. Hell I went from king of the dorks in high school to marrying a model. Sure she tried to kill me (literally) but feth man if I can do it I have full faith and confidence in any one else to get their own matrimonial murder attempt if they dig and push themselves.

The darwin thing was a joke, and right now I see a lot of ad hominen. And the entire idea of posting it here was to work as a placebo for confidence without having the readers use pick up lines. Good job.

Ok, so I wanted to try that Tinder app to see what all the rage is about. So, since I only have a dumbphone, I figured I will use an Android emulator. After all, if it can run on a Linux running on a phone, it must be able to run on a Linux running on a laptop, right ? Well, it was not that easy, but after trying and trying and tinkering a lot, I finally managed to get Tinder working in an emulator. So, now I cannot use it without a Facebook account ? Okay, let us create a Facebook account. Hum, so now I cannot use it if I do not give my phone number? What is next, my fingerprint . I am currently wondering if trying it is worth giving away all those personal information to some random company. Will I receive tons of SMS spam ?