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For my infantry, yes, sure, I'll give them extra kit, but otherwise if they're not a Kriegsman, they don't belong in ym army (save those Stormtroopers, but that's because they're awesome and I only use them in Apoc!)

But...but, that's not an Autarch on a jetbike- it's just a conversion using plastic parts that are unique to you. Jetbike Autarchs are either metal or finecast and look like everyone else's!

My Ork army has been growing for eighteen years and frankly GW did not have half of the vehicles in my codex. Should I trash all my hard work for my looted wagons just because GW now has a kit available? No I don think so, in fact no Ork player worth his salt would show up to the table with 100% "pure" army. Looting is life!

So what if you want a certain model, but the only one available looks ugly as sin?

Skaven are a good example here, since this is the vermin lord model:



This model is near on the same age as me, and it shows.
This is my take on it: (still WiP on painting)



Ive managed to make an ugly model into something i actually like and would use.
And i didnt do it so save money, as the base model i used plus the parts actually went over double the cost of the original.



Skaven warlord on a bonebreaker has no model:



I now have one.



I find alot of the GW models to be too plain or just look bad.
Heck, even the staff there convert alot of models.
Wasnt too long ago they even put a guide in white dwarf on converting marines to change poses haha.
So even GW arent purists.

 undertow wrote:

I tend to limit myself to GW models, for two reasons:

1. I don't really have any natural conversion talent. I'm horrible with greenstuff, and I'm too cheap to buy two models just to get one kitbashed result.
2. I play in local GW stores most of the time, and the requirement is that all models must be at least 70% GW product, so that rules out whole models from other companies. I'd prefer not to have a set of models that are legal in GW stores and a set for everywhere else.

For #1 - NOBODY has NATURAL conversion talent. It's a skill you learn. We've ALL had 'failures' over the years - somethings just don't turn out right. You get over it and try again. That's how you get better.

For #2 - you have my - for want of a better term - sympathies (inasmuch as I'm sympathetic to anything). Nobody should be forced to play in a GW store - not if they have friends, a garage, a carport or even a spare room or dining table (at least one of whom will usually have one of the above).

I guess my Obyron would be pretty heretical to people here...

I like it!

i like converting. i like the wh40k universe and i generally like GW models, but i'm not averse to using interesting parts or models from other manufacturers, esp in my conversions. whatever brings you pleasure in your hobby, i reckon.

That Obyron is pretty great!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I guess my Obyron would be pretty heretical to people here...

Spoiler:

Considering the fluff, this is hands down the best Obyron I've ever seen. If I ever do Necrons, I'm going to do Obyron/Zandrekh, and I'll probably pay someone to replicate this conversion.

As far as the core issue goes, I support conversions wholeheartedly! My army is so conversion-heavy it's ridiculous. I have custom made combi-meltas, lightning claws, power weapons, and all kinds of other equipment.

Daly, I found it kind of humorous that you don't like conversions or counts-as, since you play Dark Eldar. Over half of our characters don't even have an official model, so a conversion is the only possible way to field them.

Don't get me wrong, I can definitely understand fielding the real thing if it's a good sculpt. Coteaz is an amazing figure, and I happily paid retail price for one so I could have him around. Vulkan, on the other hand, is a horrid model, and I would never field that wretched model in a million years. There's an extensive list of models that look horrid, (and everyone has their own list!) so those models provide compelling reasons to convert/sub in alternatives.

I use proxies for my Razorwing flocks (as well as my wracks, grotesques, and my Talos). The Razorwings from GW look absolutely awful, the wracks and grotesques are prohibitively expensive, and my Talos/Chronos has a compelling narrative behind the substitution.

Bottom line: spruecrons? No. Conversions/counts-as models that look good and/or fit a narrative? Yes.

He's a really easy kitbash of a Deathmark and a Bargelord.

Here's a few of my own conversions. They may not be up to Furyou's skill level, but I still find them satisfactory.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I don't like conversions, and not a huge fan of using other models as counts as... I like my units to be the units they were modeled to be. Anyone else feel this way?

So no extra pelts, skins, totems, bits 'o' meat, sacks, cloths, hand axes, alternative daggers, skulls, heads, trophies or other 'bling' accessories for my. Barbaric marines then?

Shamir. Kroot bits really bring marines to life. As do gw fantasy bits

Yeah, I can't agree with you bud. Stock marines are fine, but can be so much more.

I can appreciate someone else being a purist, but I am absolutely the antithesis of one. I would rather see good counts-as than an official model, and conversions are by far my favorite part of the hobby.

Have the actual BRB and Codex (or, nowadays, anything else you use. Digital or physical). Beyond that, rule of cool.

GW does deserve sales on their rulebooks for use of their rules, IMO, but beyond that, it's between you and your opponent.

I prefer opponent's army fit the theme and feel of the army, but the more creativity, certainly, the better! GW certainly makes some nice models, but there's more out there!

I never buy special character models. I always convert them from troops.

Funny because this is one of your other threads:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/569642.page

Pretty certain you're a troll.

I think I disagree more with the OP, troll or not, more than any thread on Dakka I've ever read. Just look at my avatar and you'll see where I stand. Oh, yeah, that's right. There's no female tech priest, so I guess I'll have to convert one.
Or a conversion beamer.
Or a MOTF on a bike.

 Zande4 wrote:
Funny because this is one of your other threads:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/569642.page

Pretty certain you're a troll.

Then of course there's this gem:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/558656.page

And yes, you'll notice that its central theme/message is pretty much the exact opposite to this one.


... yeah.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I don't like conversions, and not a huge fan of using other models as counts as... I like my units to be the units they were modeled to be. Anyone else feel this way?

I look at models like the Centurions and the Marine flyers desperately hope to see Conversions rather than actual models............. so no

GW, as far as I know, doesn't make a Wolf Priest model, nor combi-weapons for Terminators, nor easily accessible missile bits, nor appropriately sized wolf standards. That, I like making models however i please.

 Aleph-Sama wrote:
GW, as far as I know, doesn't make a Wolf Priest model, nor combi-weapons for Terminators, nor easily accessible missile bits, nor appropriately sized wolf standards. That, I like making models however i please.

They released these 2 about a year ago I think.

Wolf Standard


Rune Priest

I'm a fan of conversions and counts-as, I have quite a few myself. Honour Guard are pretty hard to run any other way, unless you're Ultramarines, in which case, enjoy your beautiful HGs! I also like being able to swap stuff around on my Rhinos to make them Razorbacks or Whirlwinds. My Techmarine too, he's really just a Marine with a fancy backpack!

I think for me it's mostly a cost thing. I can usually come up with some pretty spot on stuff and no one minds as long as they look good and are to scale.

 Zande4 wrote:

 Aleph-Sama wrote:
GW, as far as I know, doesn't make a Wolf Priest model, nor combi-weapons for Terminators, nor easily accessible missile bits, nor appropriately sized wolf standards. That, I like making models however i please.

They released these 2 about a year ago I think.

Wolf Standard

Spoiler:

Rune Priest

Spoiler:

The Rune Priest is old. I still use my metal one. As for the standard... I just can't stand looking at it.

Aside from the fact that I also love a great conversion, there are just too many units in the GW universe without models for a purist policy to be possible.

There are hundreds of Inquisitor combinations but only three models -- all with carapace or flak armor, despite the fact they can also take power or terminator armor, plus a wide variety of weapons.

Overall, I'm not against your approach as long as you allow the cool conversions that I think this creative hobby is all about.

... And if you get GW to actually release all the models.

About 1/3 of the current IG codex has no models commercially available outside of ebay and I doubt that will change with the new dex.

 TheNightWillEnd wrote:
Aside from the fact that I also love a great conversion, there are just too many units in the GW universe without models for a purist policy to be possible.

There are hundreds of Inquisitor combinations but only three models -- all with carapace or flak armor, despite the fact they can also take power or terminator armor, plus a wide variety of weapons.

Overall, I'm not against your approach as long as you allow the cool conversions that I think this creative hobby is all about.

... And if you get GW to actually release all the models.

About 1/3 of the current IG codex has no models commercially available outside of ebay and I doubt that will change with the new dex.

Talk to Nids players about this.

 Aleph-Sama wrote:

 TheNightWillEnd wrote:
Aside from the fact that I also love a great conversion, there are just too many units in the GW universe without models for a purist policy to be possible.

There are hundreds of Inquisitor combinations but only three models -- all with carapace or flak armor, despite the fact they can also take power or terminator armor, plus a wide variety of weapons.

Overall, I'm not against your approach as long as you allow the cool conversions that I think this creative hobby is all about.

... And if you get GW to actually release all the models.

About 1/3 of the current IG codex has no models commercially available outside of ebay and I doubt that will change with the new dex.

Talk to Nids players about this.

Have you heard the great news!? They just removed all the units that didn't have models from the codex! Great news!

Mr Morden wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I don't like conversions, and not a huge fan of using other models as counts as... I like my units to be the units they were modeled to be. Anyone else feel this way?

I look at models like the Centurions and the Marine flyers desperately hope to see Conversions rather than actual models............. so no

Bad photo, but like this?

Lol, is that supposed to be a Centurion? That's wonderful!

Every single model i play with is converted and i proxy all the time (gatling guns as plasma guns for guard as an example)