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TiamatRoar wrote:
As pointed out earlier in this thread, truly devout chaos followers would possibly rejoice at being reminded of the things they killed

I said true believers. Not Chaos true believers. All those heretics killed in the name of the Emprah, seeing their face and hearing their screams cradle me to sweet dreams of purge and fire every night !

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
As pointed out earlier in this thread, truly devout chaos followers would possibly rejoice at being reminded of the things they killed

I said true believers. Not Chaos true believers. All those heretics killed in the name of the Emprah, seeing their face and hearing their screams cradle me to sweet dreams of purge and fire every night !

While you hide in your Spehss Mehreen metal bawkses like a koward and fewl?

On a semi-serious note, I really hope they do make new CSM plastics. Rules would be nice too but this is GW so let's all get ready to embrace our new red-armored, voice-hearing overlords. Krannon for Warmaster! Aba-who?

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Ah i was just joking around, didn't see those.

As a kind of punishment, Natfka posted your list, claiming an anonymous faeit212 reader as source

That does happen more often then not when i post stuff but oh well.

if the rumors were true wouldn't the kit be listed as Chaos Space Marines/Chosen?

looks like sadly Helbrute is only new model

WayneTheGame wrote:
While you hide in your Spehss Mehreen metal bawkses like a koward and fewl?

Actually, while I march to the hymns of the EEEKLESIARKY !

WayneTheGame wrote:
Yeah I don't understand in what world a digital book costs the same as a physical book. Other than GW-Land of course

You're paying for the rules and intellectual property... The books cost pennies on the dollar to manufacture....

 pizzaguardian wrote:

CODEX: CRIMSON SLAUGHTER (ENGLISH) 1 £30,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE SQUAD 1 £23,50
CHAOS SPACE MARINE HELBRUTE 1 £33,00
CHAOS BIKERS 1 £21,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE ATTACK FORCE 1 £120,00
CHAOS RHINO 1 £23,50
CHAOS TERMINATOR LORD 1 £15,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS 1 £21,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE FORGEFIEND 1 £41,00
CHAOS LAND RAIDER 1 £46,00
CHAOS TERMINATORS 1 £28,00
VISIONS OF HERESY (ENGLISH) 1 £45,00
WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 7 (ENGLISH) 1 £2,40

This is what i got so take it with salt if necessary

This is the list GW has been sending out for the CSM. Obviously some are old stuff but the Attack Force and the Codex is new so that's sth.

Edit 1: Images of Hellbrutes that has been around for a while

Spoiler:

 Brother SRM wrote:
It's pretty obvious Codex: Crimson Slaughter will be the same sort of digital supplement release as Codex: Black Legion. If you don't like it, don't buy it. As for Chaos bikes and Chaos Space Marines in there, maybe we're getting new kits to go along with the new Hellbrute kit? I think it's pertinent that there are pictures of said Hellbrute in this thread too, for those not in the know:

Hmmmmm, mysteriously the hoped for "imperial knight chaos upgrade sprue" is not here!

 Lobukia wrote:
Get over it folks, we know where the legion rules are coming from, stop looking in other places and then wondering why they aren't there. Really, stop, its annoying like explaining the same thing over and over again to a 3yo is annoying.

I'm so sorry that I want my Chaos army to have as much flexibility as the Marine Codex, a Codex that includes specific rules for a handful of different Chapters. Any Chaos player who wants similar flexibility and flavour in their Codex is obviously acting like a 3 year old.




Jesus...

This is definitely more "supplement" vs codex. I don't have all the particulars yet, but I expect there will be some changes in force org, warlord abilities, and rules for the new Hellbrute options.

The book is a splash release. GW retail and FLGS will get a small amount of the books and then it will move to the website.

 kronk wrote:
I'm disappointed that they're doing Codex: Crimson Slaughter and not some war band based off one of the original legions, but maybe they don't want to step on FW's toes? I'd like to see how the Alpha Legion operates, or the Iron Warriors.

Since it's Khorne based, I'll have to pass.

I understand why GW wouldn't want to release new information on the original legions until their HH backgrounds have been fully fleshed out, but still choosing the relatively new Crimson Slaughter over classics like Iron Warriors or World Eaters seems a strange move. I mean, I know they're supposed to be the big bad of this rumored global campaign, but I've yet to see a Crimson Slaughter army on the tabletop. Perhaps some newcomers to Chaos will consider the Crimson Slaughter if the rules are good, but most Chaos players with established armies will pass.

BTW, they are undivided!

 mikhaila wrote:
This is definitely more "supplement" vs codex. I don't have all the particulars yet, but I expect there will be some changes in force org, warlord abilities, and rules for the new Hellbrute options.

The book is a splash release. GW retail and FLGS will get a small amount of the books and then it will move to the website.

Wait, so the book is releasing before the digital?

Welllllllllll, that's something at least.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I'm disappointed that they're doing Codex: Crimson Slaughter and not some war band based off one of the original legions, but maybe they don't want to step on FW's toes? I'd like to see how the Alpha Legion operates, or the Iron Warriors.

Since it's Khorne based, I'll have to pass.

I understand why GW wouldn't want to release new information on the original legions until their HH backgrounds have been fully fleshed out, but still choosing the relatively new Crimson Slaughter over classics like Iron Warriors or World Eaters seems a strange move. I mean, I know they're supposed to be the big bad of this rumored global campaign, but I've yet to see a Crimson Slaughter army on the tabletop. Perhaps some newcomers to Chaos will consider the Crimson Slaughter if the rules are good, but most Chaos players with established armies will pass.

BTW, they are undivided!

I would guess that the vast, vast majority of the "Crimson Slaughter" miniatures (DV), aren't remotely painted up to be used in a "Crimson Slaughter" warband.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I'm disappointed that they're doing Codex: Crimson Slaughter and not some war band based off one of the original legions, but maybe they don't want to step on FW's toes? I'd like to see how the Alpha Legion operates, or the Iron Warriors.

Since it's Khorne based, I'll have to pass.

I understand why GW wouldn't want to release new information on the original legions until their HH backgrounds have been fully fleshed out, but still choosing the relatively new Crimson Slaughter over classics like Iron Warriors or World Eaters seems a strange move. I mean, I know they're supposed to be the big bad of this rumored global campaign, but I've yet to see a Crimson Slaughter army on the tabletop. Perhaps some newcomers to Chaos will consider the Crimson Slaughter if the rules are good, but most Chaos players with established armies will pass.

BTW, they are undivided!

Are they Undivided? The fluff indicates that the whole "visions of people you killed" was from Khorne, and the name/mass genocide indicates some sort of frothing lunatic. What gets me is that they don't seem to be much of anything, small potatoes. They're just some random Marine chapter that turned traitor like dozens of others, it doesn't sound like they were anything special as a loyal chapter either just Krannon was a bit more brutal and ruthless than most, and there are other renegades that actually sound interesting (The Purged, for one, or the Cleaved). They seem like just generic mooks.

I'd have rather seen a Red Corsairs book that blurred the line between CSM and Loyalist Marines and therefore would be suitable for any relatively recent post-Heresy renegade, Crimson Slaughter included.

That said though I like their color scheme so if the Codex is good might look at them as I'm considering selling my soul back to Chaos anyways.

Adding more credence to this, Black Library has a new ebook up for preorder called "Crimson Dawn" that details the fall of the Crimson Slaughter, when they were still the Crimson Sabres. It's set for release next Monday.

WayneTheGame wrote:

Are they Undivided? The fluff indicates that the whole "visions of people you killed" was from Khorne, and the name/mass genocide indicates some sort of frothing lunatic. What gets me is that they don't seem to be much of anything, small potatoes. They're just some random Marine chapter that turned traitor like dozens of others, it doesn't sound like they were anything special as a loyal chapter either just Krannon was a bit more brutal and ruthless than most, and there are other renegades that actually sound interesting (The Purged, for one, or the Cleaved). They seem like just generic mooks.

I'd have rather seen a Red Corsairs book that blurred the line between CSM and Loyalist Marines and therefore would be suitable for any relatively recent post-Heresy renegade, Crimson Slaughter included.

That said though I like their color scheme so if the Codex is good might look at them as I'm considering selling my soul back to Chaos anyways.

Adding more credence to this, Black Library has a new book up for preorder called "Crimson Dawn" that details the fall of the Crimson Slaughter.

Yeah, if they're really determined to have both "renegade/post-heresy fallen SM" AND "veterans of the long war/legion" type CSM represented, they have a funny way of showing it by having newly or relatively recently turned Space Marines completely discard all of their Land Speeders, Storm Shields, Assault Cannons, Thunder Hammers, Storm Bolters, Thunderfire Cannon, Razorbacks, Apothecary equipment, Centurion suits, Drop Pods, Attack Bikes, Stormravens, Hunters, Stalkers, Land Raiders of the Redeemer or Crusader patterns, Whirlwinds, etc etc etc.

I guess they give those up as trade ins at Happy Horus' House of Heretical Haberdashery when they pick up their Reaper Autocannon, Power Mauls and Chain Axes for termies, Sonic Weapons, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Heldrakes, Defilers, WarpPhone listings for the Obliterator, Mutilator, and Warp Talon cults, etc...

I mean, I can understand that some of the gear will, over time, break down or run out of ammunition supplies. I get that they will, OVER TIME, come to use what equipment they can, and which the Warpsmiths are more familiar with, but come on. A proper "renegade SM" codex supplement, or even full Codex if they really want, which blends the two extremes a bit would FAR better get the feel of it across, and show the differences between post-heresy groups falling to chaos, and the original legions. But, no, they are determined to half-measure it and it shows, IMHO.

I wasn't expecting legion codexes or anything, but that's a bit disappointing that they aren't releasing a plastic kit for Chosen, Cultists or Havocs. Maybe it's a follow up release, but they should have just dropped them all at once if they are done. CSM are more and more becoming the new Dark Eldar of outdated models, decades overdue for updates.

I think it also depends on when the legion turned. Like if they turned some thousand years ago (during that crusade thing where the one guy was a cultist in disguise and sent a bunch of chapters into the EoT) then I could see them using CSM codex. But if they turned like 500 years ago? They would likely have a bit of their Imperial kit out in their battle barges or whatever when they fled, although the lion's share would have been seized it's likely. So maybe they could be limited in it to represent that hey we only have a few landspeeders or Centurion armor.

Why is everyone hung up on what Chaos Marines are the face of the Codex? Its the rules that matter. I play my Night Lord biker/jump pack army with the White Scar chapter traits. Its WYSIWYG. Get over it.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Why is everyone hung up on what Chaos Marines are the face of the Codex? Its the rules that matter. I play my Night Lord biker/jump pack army with the White Scar chapter traits. Its WYSIWYG. Get over it.

Because some people would rather it be about their pet legion/warband. It's understandable, and kind of baffling that GW chose Crimson Slaughter instead of something a little more established/fleshed out. I guess this is their opportunity to bring the Crimson Slaughter to that level of depth though.

@shade1313

Absolutely. At least outside GW store display miniatures.

@Waynethegame

According to Lexicanum, at least. Yep, it's weird, considering everyone in the warband, from Kranon to the cultists in their thrall, seem to be decidedly Khorne-y. I haven't read the DV novella, though. Perhaps there's more info in there.

I don't know what to expect of the Codex, though. Probably it'll be nothing more but rules for the named characters in Dark Vengeance, perhaps some relics to reflect the events in the DV backstory, and little else. Really, for expanded rules and probably even a distinct playstyle, the Red Corsairs would have been a much better subject. I can easily see that as the Farsight or Iyanden of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...

A character, a relic, a Warlord chart, and some Apoc formations. Woo.

It'd be nice to be wrong, but then again it'd be nice if the Chaos Codex included Legions like the Marine Codex included Chapters, and we don't get everything we want.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Because some people would rather it be about their pet legion/warband.

Nah I'm pretty sure it's cause we want the Legions back. I mean Black Templars lost their entire Codex, but they at least still have rules. Can the same be said of Night Lords? Iron Warriors? World Eaters? No. Of course not. We're all "generic Chaos Marines".

So, no Chosen then? I knew I shouldn't have let the Hellbrute raise my hopes...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Because some people would rather it be about their pet legion/warband.

Nah I'm pretty sure it's cause we want the Legions back.

"Back? We never went away!" - Alpharius, donning a White Scars uniform...

 catharsix wrote:
So, no Chosen then? I knew I shouldn't have let the Hellbrute raise my hopes...

No Chosen in this week. People seem to be having a hard time getting their head around the new release schedule. There is nothing that stops Chosen, Havocs etc being released the week after.

Except the fact people want them, of course!

 azreal13 wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
So, no Chosen then? I knew I shouldn't have let the Hellbrute raise my hopes...

No Chosen in this week. People seem to be having a hard time getting their head around the new release schedule. There is nothing that stops Chosen, Havocs etc being released the week after.

Except the fact people want them, of course!

Plastic Chosen, Havocks, and Thunderhawks next week! azreal13 says so!

 kronk wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
So, no Chosen then? I knew I shouldn't have let the Hellbrute raise my hopes...

No Chosen in this week. People seem to be having a hard time getting their head around the new release schedule. There is nothing that stops Chosen, Havocs etc being released the week after.

Except the fact people want them, of course!

Plastic Chosen, Havocks, and Thunderhawks next week! azreal13 says so!

Oi, I never!

Unless it happens, then I totes called it.

 catharsix wrote:
So, no Chosen then? I knew I shouldn't have let the Hellbrute raise my hopes...

Well, there's still further weeks in the month. If these go up for ordering on the 8th, then there's the 15th for something new to be released that likely ties into the new book. So this is where we'd likely see the chosen / cultist boxes to finish things off. With the 22nd and 29th moving onto another faction.

I think we need to forget about "months" altogether, GW's seems to have.

 azreal13 wrote:

 kronk wrote:


Plastic Chosen, Havocks, and Thunderhawks next week! azreal13 says so!

Oi, I never!

Unless it happens, then I totes called it.

Well, Chosen, Havocks and Imperial Thunderhawk the following week. Can't have the imperials going too long without a new shiny when chaos are getting something

Attack Force Contents - Mar 2014
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
-CODEX: CRIMSON SLAUGHTER (ENGLISH): 39 euros
-CHAOS SPACE MARINE HELBRUTE: 43 euros
-CHAOS SPACE MARINE ATTACK FORCE: 160 euros with:
1 CHAOS RHINO
1 CHAOS TERMINATOR
5 CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS
1CHAOS SPACE MARINE FORGEFIEND
10 CHAOS SPACE MARINE

If the Crimson Slaughter codex allows for a more Chaotic Chaos Space Marine army then I'm all for it. Who gives a feth what it's called if it's good?

Crimson Slaughter are Undivided iirc, they were only cursed by Khorne to find clarity in battle. So they don't serve him directly.

I really hope we get multipart CSM models that look like the DV set. Come on GW, my money is waiting for... no begging you to take it!

Formerly a loyalist Space Marine Chapter known as the Crimson Sabres, the Crimson Slaughter were declared to be a Renegade Chapter in M41 following signs of psychological instability and overly-zealous activities during their campaigns. They were ultimately excommunicated from the Imperium after the events on the world of Umidia. There, they purged the planet's entire population after coming under the belief that they had been tainted by the Ruinous Powers. However subsequent intelligence indicated that Chaos Cults on the planet were indeed in the process of summoning a powerful Daemon of Khorne. Khorne, either as a reward or revenge for massacring his followers, cursed the Crimson Sabres to be haunted by the voices of all those they killed. Only further bloodshed could silence the voices, and even that was temporary. Thus the Chapter Master Sevastus Kranon led his followers into the Eye of Terror to gain a temporary peace among the realm of Chaos rather than remain in Imperial space and risk harming further innocents