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 Lockark wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:


Found this and thought people would be interested.

I don't reconize that plaguemarien in the bottom right. It doesn't look like any of the ones from the current kit or the Forgeworld conversion kit.

I believe it says it in the title on the upper left....but I could be wrong....

godswildcard wrote:
So looking at the attack force, is that even a legal army? I only see one troops choice....

Is it supposed to be?

 insaniak wrote:

godswildcard wrote:
So looking at the attack force, is that even a legal army? I only see one troops choice....

Is it supposed to be?

Well, it would be better for ME if it was!

But GW rarely seems to think of me when they release their boxes. Honestly, some people!

It's got 10 "Tactical" Chaos Space Marines in it hasn't it? That's two 5 man squads, and thus the required Troops. So it's legal, but not necessarily good.

i second the not necessarily good.

However. I have been way too negative about this release. Other codex get troops or terminators as troops. WE get possessed as troops. Thats how lucky we are.
The cups half full...

Wrecker wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I don't reconize that plaguemarien in the bottom right. It doesn't look like any of the ones from the current kit or the Forgeworld conversion kit.

I believe it says it in the title on the upper left....but I could be wrong....

Yes you could.

Chrysis wrote:
It's got 10 "Tactical" Chaos Space Marines in it hasn't it? That's two 5 man squads, and thus the required Troops. So it's legal, but not necessarily good.

One is depicted with a heavy bolter, chaos can't take those in 5-man squads.

 Excessus wrote:
One is depicted with a heavy bolter, chaos can't take those in 5-man squads.

1. You don't have to give the model a heavy bolter.
2. Do you think the person who put this together knows and/or cares about that?

Yeah I don't know why restrictions has anything to do with what would be in the white dwarf. One ten man box of CSM has 1 heavy bolter, thus that is why it has 2 5-man units, and 1 has a heavy bolter.

BUY THE MODELS DON'T THINK ABOUT IT

 pretre wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Two full codex books per year on average is basically what I remember from back then as well and it amounted to one new army book every 2-3 months roughly between the two big lines with a yearly LOTR starter/book around the winter premiere of the movies. You also had weekly releases of products previewed on the website but I guess that is back now with the smaller format White Dwarf. The types of stuff that comes out in the codex supplements would previously have been a web or WD article with a year end compilation of them all that costed less than a single supplement does now. IIRC, the Legion of the Damned were released that way in 3rd.

Right and we're getting 3.5 full codex books per year now in 6th edition. We don't get previews and the stuff that would be a web or WD article either goes to print or is a digital release.

So even with all of the dataslates, extra stuff, we still get more full codex/army books than we did during any other edition.

edit: You may disagree with how they're releasing the extra stuff (digidex, supplement, etc vs White Dwarf/Web), but you can't say that it is slowing down our codex releases, since those are actually increasing in speed.

I don't disagree. My post was an attempt to reinforce your position.

All the legion vs renegades problems can be sorted rather easily in a very obvious fashion. Codex chaos legions and codex chaos renegades. 2 books, if loyalists can get umpteen books chaos marines could have 2

Motograter wrote:
All the legion vs renegades problems can be sorted rather easily in a very obvious fashion. Codex chaos legions and codex chaos renegades. 2 books,

Or even one book, with options to take razorbacks, stormravens, landspeeders and the like for renegades, and daemon engines for the Legions...

if loyalists can get umpteen books chaos marines could have 2

I would rather see all of the loyalists combined into one book, to be honest. There is no reason that something akin to the 4th edition traits system couldn't be used to represent Chapter variation.

 insaniak wrote:

Motograter wrote:
All the legion vs renegades problems can be sorted rather easily in a very obvious fashion. Codex chaos legions and codex chaos renegades. 2 books,

Or even one book, with options to take razorbacks, stormravens, landspeeders and the like for renegades, and daemon engines for the Legions...

if loyalists can get umpteen books chaos marines could have 2

I would rather see all of the loyalists combined into one book, to be honest. There is no reason that something akin to the 4th edition traits system couldn't be used to represent Chapter variation.

Wishfull thinking here. A codex that actually covers the army it's supposed to? We're on the brink of 7th ed. now, thats not how things work anymore.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Spoiler:

And then did the Crimson Slaughter enter the Eye
In fear of the Inquisition at their heels.
‘No!’ said the horned red one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Khorne!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh murderous one.’
‘Your Thunder Hammers. Your Storm Shields. Your Cyclones.’
‘These are the cowards weapons, and none that walk my path will have them’
‘It is done, my lord Khorne’
And Khorne was satisfied.

But again the Crimson Slaughter were barred.
‘No!’ said the giant green one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Nurgle!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh gluttonous one.’
‘Your Attack Bikes. Your Land Raider Variants.’
‘These are weakling weapons, and none that walk my path will have them’
‘It is done, my lord Nurgle’
And Nurgle was satisfied.

But again the Crimson Slaughter were once again barred.
‘No!’ said the lithe purple one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Slaanesh!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh lascivious one.’
‘Your Razorbacks. Your Thunderfire Cannons. You Whirlwinds.’
‘These are pathetic weapons, and none that walk my path will have them’
‘It is done, my lord Slaanesh’
And Slaanesh was satisfied.

But the Crimson Slaughter were barred for a final time.
‘No!’ said the winged blue one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Tzeentch!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh wise one.’
‘You Storm Ravens. Your Storm Talons. Your Land Speeders.’
‘Only that which has wings may soar, and fly along my path’
‘It is done, my lord Tzeentch’
And Tzeentch was satisfied.

With heavy heart the Crimson Slaughter left their weapons of war behind.
Yet unto the Crimson Slaughter did the Warp deliver a bounty.
Daemon Engines, in seemingly unlimited quantities.
And Possessed Marines in abundance… for some reason…
Their Terminators smiled at their new Reaper Autocannons
And their Havocs did cavort with their new Autocannons.
They were real Traitor Marines at last.

– Excerpt from ‘Sable & Slaughter’, by Arch-Heretic Jervisius Johnsonius

That is awesome. You should really be hired to write fluff about 40k. Oh, wait, you are already !

There's lots more weeks left in the year for new dollies. Don't lament just yet!

Two Headed Heldrake wish thinking.

Well, I'll still prolly pick this up. Even more expensive than Cult troops, but at least they're scoring. Just picked up some Possessed arms on eBay to kitbash with my useless CSM models. Hopefully we get some nice Wargear, since they definitely wont be taking the Primary Slot for the most part.

Look at the current attack force, one troop...

Wrecker wrote:
Look at the current attack force, one troop...

And $20 less than the corresponding Space Marine boxed army, which has two troops and a Drop Pod.

WayneTheGame wrote:

Wrecker wrote:
Look at the current attack force, one troop...

And $20 less than the corresponding Space Marine boxed army, which has two troops and a Drop Pod.

...let the bashing begin!

 thenoobbomb wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

Wrecker wrote:
Look at the current attack force, one troop...

And $20 less than the corresponding Space Marine boxed army, which has two troops and a Drop Pod.

...let the bashing begin!

IDK about you but I think that's a valid reason. $205 for what isn't even a legal army out of the box (and let's not get into the usefulness of Termies, Raptors and the Forgefiend because honestly they look cool) is a bit sketchy, when the closest thing to it for the "golden boy" army is $225 and has a fully playable (albeit lackluster) army right out of the box.

Almost, GW. Almost.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

Wrecker wrote:
Look at the current attack force, one troop...

And $20 less than the corresponding Space Marine boxed army, which has two troops and a Drop Pod.

...let the bashing begin!

IDK about you but I think that's a valid reason. $205 for what isn't even a legal army out of the box (and let's not get into the usefulness of Termies, Raptors and the Forgefiend because honestly they look cool) is a bit sketchy, when the closest thing to it for the "golden boy" army is $225 and has a fully playable (albeit lackluster) army right out of the box.

Almost, GW. Almost.

On the other hand, it's cheaper than buying the boxes seperately, and it is a great start for an army - you only need to add one box of troops, and you've got a sizeable (albeit not very competetive) army.

And to be fair, its because the rules for those models suck.

I think people would have been upset if the box had nothing but cultists and helldrakes in it.

Please no more quote pyramids. My head hurts at the sight of these...

As for "Crimson Slaughter" I don´t see why you cannot simply paint them as one of the major legions and call it a day?

Goresaw wrote:
And to be fair, its because the rules for those models suck.

I think people would have been upset if the box had nothing but cultists and helldrakes in it.

That would certainly make it easier to start a "competitive" Chaos army

I am kind of disappointed that Terminators/Raptors/Helbrute/Forgefiends suck, because they look awesome. The Forge/Maulerfiend and Helbrute especially.

Some decent points made, but I don't think people have looked at it from GW's perspective.

Your target audience is 12-15 year olds, and they're most likely to get into the game through DV. From a logical perspective, a Crimson Slaughter codex to add to the DA dex, and a new chaos battalion box thingy to add to the DV stuff, makes sense...to them at least - especially If you have this summer campaign thing??

People will say that it's not competitive, but a lot of people just turn up for a game and a laugh with whatever models they have. I did it for years.

Still, I'm happy with this release wave. And the reason why? Well, I've been getting rid of my war hammer stuff, and the other day I came across a box of Khorne berserkers. My initial reaction was that I'd never sell them because of their age. To my surprise the same one's are still for sale after all these years! Thank you GW, thank you!

 tarnish wrote:
Please no more quote pyramids. My head hurts at the sight of these...

As for "Crimson Slaughter" I don´t see why you cannot simply paint them as one of the major legions and call it a day?

Oh, you definitely can, but only if your legion has a high rate of posessed and whatever else this codex will provide. So if you want traitors that weren't stuck in the eye of terror or fell prey to rampant mutation like the alpha legion or any more recent warband - well, tough luck for you.

As far as I see it, Crimson slaughter could double up for word bearers quite well if they add some extra bits to apostles but is fairly useless for any other legion.

That's probably it, to coincide with the campaign as a way to promote the Attack Force to "bolster your Dark Vengeance models"

Man, for far too long I've agonized over deciding between Possessed and Helbrutes. Truly the powerhouse units of the Chaos Codex.

Now I can take Possessed as troops and buy some nice new helbrutes!

Thanks GW!

**EDIT

I really like the Helbrutes though. I might buy one just to mess around with. Dreads have always been my favorite models and I like the Helbrutes. Between them and FWs offerings, you can make some awesome looking killbots. I just wish they had better rules..

 sharkticon wrote:
Got another couple for you Petre, both Codex: Dark Angels and Codex: Dark Eldar received second editions with some minor errata added in. Can't remember what Dark Angels got, the second edition for Dark Eldar had the Wych Cult rules.

I wasn't counting those, although I probably should have.

 insaniak wrote:

I would rather see all of the loyalists combined into one book, to be honest. There is no reason that something akin to the 4th edition traits system couldn't be used to represent Chapter variation.

+1

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Some decent points made, but I don't think people have looked at it from GW's perspective.

Your target audience is 12-15 year olds, and they're most likely to get into the game through DV. From a logical perspective, a Crimson Slaughter codex to add to the DA dex, and a new chaos battalion box thingy to add to the DV stuff, makes sense...to them at least - especially If you have this summer campaign thing??

People will say that it's not competitive, but a lot of people just turn up for a game and a laugh with whatever models they have. I did it for years.

Still, I'm happy with this release wave. And the reason why? Well, I've been getting rid of my war hammer stuff, and the other day I came across a box of Khorne berserkers. My initial reaction was that I'd never sell them because of their age. To my surprise the same one's are still for sale after all these years! Thank you GW, thank you!

How many kids do you know that can buy dark vengeance, codex csm, codex crimson slaughter and the battle force. That's a lot of cash just to start