Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Looked over the Crimson Slaughter Book today...

Absolutely fantastic and cool. I will puke out whats up from what I can recall...

Everyone gets Fear USR

Troop Possessed squads powers work differently (duh). You roll at the start of the turn instead of combat.
Results:
1- You are a beast as advertised
2- Shrouded USR (actually confers to vehicle embarked on too!) like this one a lot
3- Rending USR and wound on three thing as previously mentioned

You can only take Veterans of the Long War on cult troops (zerkers 1ksons etc.... Bummer? lol)

Some awesome Warlord traits.
Can't recall the numerical order and some might be a bit off, but from what I remember...
Hate USR with "always re-roll against Dark Angels
Crusader USR
shoot d6 S3 ghosts with -AP at Init 10 in combat! Love it
-1LD bubble to enemies. Enemies taking fear tests from the warlord lose a further -2 LD? for -3 seemingly not that bad!
I think one was just straight up Shrouded or Stealth too.



Wish I would have paid more attention! Sorry gents

Relics are awesome

Skull Hat :
Rage, Furious Charge and Hammer of Wrath

Armor:
2+ and It will not Die USR (cant be taken on prince)

Relic:
Divination to caster (he also cannot add to the deny the witch total)

Some Horrible Crozious:
Same stats as crozious, but confers 6" zelot bubble. Dark Apostle only

Sword:
STR:user AP:3
keep track of wounds dished out in total. Tally em at end blah blah
wound total makes for stacking powers:
1: +1STR
3: AP2
5:+1STR
10: Instant Death USR

Possessed Thing:
Your dude gets all the rules for possessed. Fear, Demon, Fearless etc. Rolls on the table each turn just like possessed do. Can only join units of possessed.
Totally fluffy and thematic. my fav of the bunch.

Won't post points but to be honest... they are reasonably priced and all under the cost of a terminator!

One Chosen squad can be made in to Dranznishichihsihc Reavers...for two melta bombs.
the sergeant becomes him and he gains... Preferred enemy USR!!! Baller for that plasma squad!

CS can ally as BB to "normal CSM"

This book is everything that the basic Chaos Marines Codex is... but better.
No joke. Just better. Totally love it and will indeed buy!

Start the rage cage up internet people.

Can you mix base chaos relics with the crimson slaughter ones?

No sir.

Jus like all the other supplemental codexs, the warlord table and the relic list replaces the one from the parent book.

 mandzark wrote:
No sir.

Jus like all the other supplemental codexs, the warlord table and the relic list replaces the one from the parent book.

Major bummer. I was really excited at the prospect of being able to finally give my AoBF Juggerlord a 2+ save...

 SarisKhan wrote:
Take 3 Helbrutes in an outside-of-FOC formation in order to grant them the Fear USR!

And there was much rejoicing.

Heheh! Never gets old.

Sad that GW think "Fear" is a rule that's worth a damn.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:
Take 3 Helbrutes in an outside-of-FOC formation in order to grant them the Fear USR!

And there was much rejoicing.

Heheh! Never gets old.

Sad that GW think "Fear" is a rule that's worth a damn.

Against the right people it is and its free no less, just look at those Eldar, IG, and Tau crying in the corner.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Doesn't seem to be any Chosen or Havocs this week. At the local gw I go they said it'd be a silent week. And some kind of book is coming. (Like Damnos.) Either this or next week.

Because they don't exist. It's like this rumor has the It Will Not Die special rule, but on a 2+

 ace101 wrote:

Against the right people it is and its free no less, just look at those Eldar, IG, and Tau crying in the corner.

Tau I can see, but Eldar usually have psykers with good LD in their squads, and my IG laugh at the idea of taking fear rolls with all the Commissars in the army. IG are dead in assault with Chaos Marines anyway.

 mandzark wrote:


Troop Possessed squads powers work differently (duh). You roll at the start of the turn instead of combat.
Results:
1- You are a beast as advertised
2- Shrouded USR (actually confers to vehicle embarked on too!) like this one a lot
3- Rending USR and wound on three thing as previously mentioned

Interesting. I've seen either the Rending result or the 3++. Regardless this book sounds like it's going to be pretty awesome and I might just accidentally add some possessed for fun to my army. Though one thing I wish would have happened in this book was something to make Hellbrutes better.

Not really sure what's "better" about this book over normal CSM.. I mean it's not like possessed are really useful due to their points cost, and random abilities is a hindrance.

However, depending on the exact rule.. could be useful to ally a sorcerer with the divination relic, then just use normal CSM so you have access to the axe of blind fury

Well certainly "better" is always a matter of opinion haha and I for one feel optimistic about the book, in that I feel the relics are superior in this book and I like the warlord table a little bit more.

The possessed being troops and the Fear USR inclusion help stack my opinion, in that, the book has everything the normal book does but these two additions are added gratis. No price paid further!

(Yes I know you "lose" special characters, but as I am not a user of them I personally don't miss out on them!)

Found this over on Bols

Special Rules
All models in the Crimson Slaughter Detachment have Fear.
Crimson Slaughter can ally with as Battle Brothers with Chaos Space Marines
Choose one unit of Chosen to be upgraded at +10pts. Gain preferred enemy.
Possessed are Troops. Roll a d3 at the start of the CS players turn.
1: Unit and Vehicle if embarked are shrouded
2: Unit type becomes Beast
3: Gain a 3+ invul save and rending

Warlord Traits
1. Warlord and unit gain hate, extra bonus's against Dark Angels
2. All enemy units within 12" of warlord suffer a -2 to fear tests
3. Warlord has Rage and Furious Charge, but must charge attempt to assault if within 12"
4. Warlord and unit gain Crusader
5. Enemy models in base contact with Warlord take d6 S3 ap hits at the beginning of each assault phase
6. Warlord has shrouded

Relics
1. Replaces a powermaul on a Dark Apostle S +2 AP4 Concussive and all CS units in 6" gain Zealot
2. Soul Siphon gains powers based off of enemy models removed in close combat. Effects last the rest of the game 1. +1S 3. AP 2 5. +1S 10. Instant Death
3. Furious charge, Hamer of Wrath and rage
4. Gain Divination and can re-roll failed psychic tests. No Deny the Witch bonus's
5. Cannot be taken by a Daemon Prince. Gains 2+ save and it will not die
6. Gain Daemon, Fearless, and fleet, and gains the Crimson Slaughter possessed mutation-roll a d3.

I think all these rules you mentioned are interesting, possessed table roll looks good, though not a MUST take. Chosen rule is nice. Warlord traits are cc oriented which is good but not awesome. Relics seem to be good overall. Divination/possession relic look more than good. I don't think though this codex will be used as a main army. They would be better as allies. And this is also more realistic. Maybe they can be a good small addition to my CD army. Btw we can't be sure for the hellbrute until we see the rest codex, or the dataslate if there will be one. Let's wait then.. =)

 l0k1 wrote:
All models in the Crimson Slaughter Detachment have Fear.

Woo!

I would have been very disappointed, but then, I did not expect a lot in the first place.

Dunno. Sounds somehow better to me, than say the Black Legion Supplement. Could have used 1-2 special units or something, maybe another special character.

 l0k1 wrote:
All models in the Crimson Slaughter Detachment have Fear.

Whoah, whoah, whoah! Back up there, buddy! You're telling me that when facing off against their bitter enemy, Legio I Dark Angels, the Crimson Slaughter will cause FEAR?! How on earth is the DA player expected to pull a win? You'd think GW suddenly started to hate on Space Marines and is handing out crutches to the bad guys! Man, it's good to be a CSM player, we get all the cool rules, like Fear or Soul Blaze!

At least it's the Crimson Slaughter, a warband that don't see themselves as followers of Chaos, that are so grossly misshapen that they strike fear into Imperials, and not the Word Bearers, a legion known for willingly giving up their own bodies for daemons to inhabit and disfigure. At least that's one thing that the GW Studio Team got right!

Well, the DA are probably less afraid of the Crimsons Blades and more of them telling mommy or rather the inquisition...

so we have the Crimson Bearer, great news to many of my friends, which are all Word Bearer's fans.

At least they can have some fun with it - and surely, not in khornate red and gold

The relics are all pretty darn good, and the warlord traits aren't half bad either. If the had dropped the base cost of Possessed a few points then they might be worth looking into.

l0k1 wrote:
All models in the Crimson Slaughter Detachment have Fear.



Woo!

What is really going to blow your mind is if you give them MoN and the Icon of Despair, they get double Fear!!!!

Everything is absolutely useless from a competitive point of view, with the exception of relics 4, 5 and 6.

A Sorcerer with Divination is a good addition to any army, especially if allows to re-roll psychic tests, thus allowing you to save 15 points of Spell Familiar.

2+ Armor and It Will Not Die is an awesome relic to give to the standard Nurgle Biker Lord:

PF, LC, MoN, Bike, 2+ Armor, SoC:

so you end up with: T6 W3 2+/4++ and It Wil Not Die. Very tough to kill with the already wonderful damage output (if compared to point cost), I'll definitely try that
Just a shame that my black legion colour scheme doesn't fit very well with the "Crimson" part of the name :p

Are there any downsides to playing this army (other than lack of SC's, which I don't consider a flaw with CSM, and loss of Black Mace) instead of vanilla CSM? Because I don't see any. The Warlord table is about on par or better and the relics are simply better (divination!).

 -DE- wrote:
Whoah, whoah, whoah! Back up there, buddy! You're telling me that when facing off against their bitter enemy, Legio I Dark Angels, the Crimson Slaughter will cause FEAR?! How on earth is the DA player expected to pull a win? You'd think GW suddenly started to hate on Space Marines and is handing out crutches to the bad guys! Man, it's good to be a CSM player, we get all the cool rules, like Fear or Soul Blaze!

At least it's the Crimson Slaughter, a warband that don't see themselves as followers of Chaos, that are so grossly misshapen that they strike fear into Imperials, and not the Word Bearers, a legion known for willingly giving up their own bodies for daemons to inhabit and disfigure. At least that's one thing that the GW Studio Team got right!

You just broke my cynicism detector.

Well done.

 l0k1 wrote:
What is really going to blow your mind is if you give them MoN and the Icon of Despair, they get double Fear!!!!

OMG! Double Fear. That's like... twice the Fear! Good God. And people complain about Taudar armies and 2++ saves when there's an army that can do the double Fear combo? Crazy!

Since I'm now a fan of the Crimson Slaughter, I'm digging this.

 Kosake wrote:
Dunno. Sounds somehow better to me, than say the Black Legion Supplement. Could have used 1-2 special units or something, maybe another special character.

I am just talking personally. I am all for enhancing Chosen, they are pretty much my fav unit, but no VOTLW? Boo. Possessed, meh, don't like them. I prefer CSM with low mutation/possession count.

New artifacts and warlord traits, seem OK.

Still not tempted.

Random tables are still random tables, doesn't matter if they are better random tables, they are still random and thus not fun.

Love the Soul Siphon weapon. Won't be shelling out for the 'dex though - just too expensive (+ I'd have to buy more CSM which I don't want to as I'm trying to build an HH army).

Its so sad. If they had just said all possesses = beasts 100% of the time, I'd consider this book a great success. But hey arbitrarily random is fun in a game of strategy and tactics. Just as much fun as the dreaded doubl3 fear build.

I can totally see allying an alleged Crimson Slaughter Sorc (in fact painted exactly as the rest of my army) with the Divination artefact, and one of my Noise Marine squads (the one with no upgrades) acting as black-and-pink vanilla CSM to constitute the required 1 Troops choice.

Prescience for everyone!

What's amusing is that this will work against base CSM.

Which means that the Crimson Slaughter will scare other Chaos Space Marines?

Actually this sounds like a straight up upgrade for my softy Flawless Host list. I don't have to change anything but I get free Fear, the one unit of Possessed I field moves to Troops, and I get a worthwhile Warlord table. Not much of an upgrade, but certainly an upgrade. No downside.