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Not interested. I've got a fever. The only cure is more Soul Blaze.

Needs more Soul Blaze.

That'll die as soon as a riptide or Wave Serpent takes a look at them.

Or really anything that can deal with them, popping the rhino loses their mobility fierce and they'll have issues getting up close to do their thing after that, they'll be beaten by major assault, or major shooting.

To be generalist is to be overexpensive.

Sure, but compared to possessed, I'll take the chosen, and a DP with HoD to instant death the silly riptides!


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 Sir Arun wrote:
What is new in the Land Raider kit? Why are they advertising it as a new release? Sorry, dont have the time to read thru 23 pages, so if someone could please explain to me what the issue with this is, I'd be grateful.

Also I assume the chaos bikers used to be metal?

Not a new land raider just new paint.

 Sir Arun wrote:
What is new in the Land Raider kit? Why are they advertising it as a new release? Sorry, dont have the time to read thru 23 pages, so if someone could please explain to me what the issue with this is, I'd be grateful.

Also I assume the chaos bikers used to be metal?

If I'm not mistaken, the only "new" thing for Chaos is updated box art.....

 Sir Arun wrote:
What is new in the Land Raider kit? Why are they advertising it as a new release? Sorry, dont have the time to read thru 23 pages, so if someone could please explain to me what the issue with this is, I'd be grateful.

Also I assume the chaos bikers used to be metal?

Chaos bikers were metal in 2nd edition. The current kit is the same they've had for over 10 years though, and as with the Land Raider, just new box art to bring it in line with other products.

I've gone through the whole supplement, so anyone who hasn't picked it up and is curious about it, here you go:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/03/new-release-codex-supplement-crimson.html

 Sir Arun wrote:
What is new in the Land Raider kit? Why are they advertising it as a new release? Sorry, dont have the time to read thru 23 pages, so if someone could please explain to me what the issue with this is, I'd be grateful.

Also I assume the chaos bikers used to be metal?

Same kit they've just changed the cover.

New/revamped ( improved ?) transfer sheet

I only wish they'd darkened the blues and yellows back a bit as the always seemed a bit bright to me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I've gone through the whole supplement, so anyone who hasn't picked it up and is curious about it, here you go:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/03/new-release-codex-supplement-crimson.html

It sounds pretty sweet, but not enough to convince me to get it.

Wrecker wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I've gone through the whole supplement, so anyone who hasn't picked it up and is curious about it, here you go:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/03/new-release-codex-supplement-crimson.html

It sounds pretty sweet, but not enough to convince me to get it.

Fair enough. A big part of why I do these reviews is so people can know if it's something they want or not so they don't have to go in and buy it blind. I bought my copy solely to review but it does have me thinking about fielding these guys properly. They may not drastically shift the book with huge changes to FOC or rules that make them a "must have" but they are pretty cool looking, I really dig the fluff and you can really see the flavor in every rule there, even if it's one you don't like. It basically hit all the right notes for me in terms of presentation and design.

Surprisingly, this seems to be the most complicated supplement rulebook to date, just bypassing Iyanden.

What with having:

Restrictions (No Votlw)

Unit changes (Possessed chart)
FoC changes (Possessed again)
Champion Upgrade (Chosen)
Ability addition (Entire army fear)

Not to mention from what's been shown is that four outta six of the relics are usable and useful in some manner, someday they will make a chaplain/dark apostle weapon that takes into account the factor that they already pay the 15 point power weapon tax in their rules I hope, double that for 6" zealot aint worth it.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Surprisingly, this seems to be the most complicated supplement rulebook to date, just bypassing Iyanden.

What with having:

Restrictions (No Votlw)

Unit changes (Possessed chart)
FoC changes (Possessed again)
Champion Upgrade (Chosen)
Ability addition (Entire army fear)

Not to mention from what's been shown is that four outta six of the relics are usable and useful in some manner.

And the long list of alternate missions, all of which look like they could be a lot of fun to play if you want a break from playing the rulebook missions for a change.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Surprisingly, this seems to be the most complicated supplement rulebook to date, just bypassing Iyanden.

What with having:

Restrictions (No Votlw)

Unit changes (Possessed chart)
FoC changes (Possessed again)
Champion Upgrade (Chosen)
Ability addition (Entire army fear)

Not to mention from what's been shown is that four outta six of the relics are usable and useful in some manner, someday they will make a chaplain/dark apostle weapon that takes into account the factor that they already pay the 15 point power weapon tax in their rules I hope, double that for 6" zealot aint worth it.

Huh, GW is learning. That's promising.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, GW is learning. That's promising.

Honestly it was rumored a long time ago that the supplements would start getting more complex as GW tests the waters with stuff. This one has definitely pushed the envelope the furthest so far, which is good. I look forward to future supplements more and more with every one I see released.

reds8n wrote: New/revamped ( improved ?) transfer sheet

Nice one, cheers for the image.

ClockworkZion wrote:I've gone through the whole supplement, so anyone who hasn't picked it up and is curious about it, here you go:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/03/new-release-codex-supplement-crimson.html

Nice review. I think I'll pick this up. Agree about that Ectoplasma comment. That would have been sweet.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Nice review. I think I'll pick this up. Agree about that Ectoplasma comment. That would have been sweet.

Thanks! I'm always glad when people like my reviews.

And ectoplasma aside, I'm glad I ordered a physical copy of the book (which FedEx decided I'm not allowed to have until Monday, so I ended up getting the digital version too) because I'm likely to start a little Crimson Slaughter project here soon. It's just a really cool army with really cool background material and a nice, tightly focused layout in everything in there from the rules to the relic lore to the art. I am honestly hoping future supplements are at least this good because this is just awesome and I like it a lot.

Strangley enough, Possessed didn't get re-boxed. Which is especially odd considering that they were moved to troops for this supplement.

Perhaps there's a possessed/chosen kit coming along.

/wishlisting

Couldn't agree more

codex wasn't bad at all. there is some potential with CSM or BL allies having multiple choppy lords on a variety of platforms. dunno that possessed are going to be a real thing, they're still 26 points each. if they moved as beasts by default, it'd be much more of a legit unit. but it's not totally hopeless. they're either going to be beasts and ignore terrain, able to leapfrog behind/into good cover, have shrouded, or have a 3++. at their cost, sure wish they had grenades too.

divination on a lvl 3 sorcerer is great, too.

 gigasnail wrote:
codex wasn't bad at all. there is some potential with CSM or BL allies having multiple choppy lords on a variety of platforms. dunno that possessed are going to be a real thing, they're still 26 points each. if they moved as beasts by default, it'd be much more of a legit unit. but it's not totally hopeless. they're either going to be beasts and ignore terrain, able to leapfrog behind/into good cover, have shrouded, or have a 3++. at their cost, sure wish they had grenades too.

divination on a lvl 3 sorcerer is great, too.

Yeah, I agree Possessed didn't get that bump they -really- needed but at least they have a nicer mutations table that really works more in their favor than before.

I'm not mad about possessed not getting that bump. I wasn't a big fan of them really. The real win here is the relics. I think the new relics are better than the ones in the black legion supplement and combined with the base codex you can create a beast of a lord or sorcerer.

 l0k1 wrote:
I'm not mad about possessed not getting that bump. I wasn't a big fan of them really. The real win here is the relics. I think the new relics are better than the ones in the black legion supplement and combined with the base codex you can create a beast of a lord or sorcerer.

Yeah, the relics are good, the army rules aren't bad and most of the Warlord traits are pretty decent (except Maddening Rage which is fluffy but not good to get).

Still not sure how possessed got any better.. Okay, they can get shrouded on a rhino (which you cant assault out of anymore if its stationary..) or you can get Beasts but then you might have a useless rhino? or you could a better invul which assumes you're in CC already? What if you roll that first?

So they might be able to get to CC easier now, but the OTHER table actually allowed them to *kill* things . Doesn't feel very useful to me, but then again possessed aren't useful either way. I seriously don't get how GW thinks that Chaos = totally fracking random every second of every day. You're telling me minute by minute the Demon inside the possessed changes abilities? It grows huge limbs to move quicker, but then those limbs vanish and it gains rending claws? ..hate..random..charts

 Kirasu wrote:
Still not sure how possessed got any better.. Okay, they can get shrouded on a rhino (which you cant assault out of anymore if its stationary..) or you can get Beasts but then you might have a useless rhino? or you could a better invul which assumes you're in CC already? What if you roll that first?

So they might be able to get to CC easier now, but the OTHER table actually allowed them to *kill* things . Doesn't feel very useful to me, but then again possessed aren't useful either way. I seriously don't get how GW thinks that Chaos = totally fracking random every second of every day. You're telling me minute by minute the Demon inside the possessed changes abilities? It grows huge limbs to move quicker, but then those limbs vanish and it gains rending claws? ..hate..random..charts

The third ability grants rending as well as the 3++

Actually from my use relying on the abilities in combat was just as meh as it is now, my issue was actually reaching combat in sufficient numbers to actually 'hurt' things.

I really like this supplement, I think I'm going to use this instead of the basic csm codex. I never anyhow used black mace or axe of blind fury.

I own the book too, and I cant see anything that restricts taking Marks or unlocking Cult Troops for that matter...

Un-Fluffy, yes, but certainly on Par with all the other un-fluffy nightmares out there.

Nurgle Biker Lord with the Daemonheart relic anyone?

*devilish grin*

Now it says the only units that can take VOTLW, but some Characters and the Daemon Prince get it for free so once again, un-fluffy but is it legal?

I'm really liking this book. I doubt we will see many Crimson Slaughter armies, but we will be seeing a lot more of their codex lists.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I own the book too, and I cant see anything that restricts taking Marks or unlocking Cult Troops for that matter...

Un-Fluffy, yes, but certainly on Par with all the other un-fluffy nightmares out there.

CS do work with Cult Troops though, so it's not unreasonable to think they'd attract some stronger members of said troops to lead those factions (marked Lords, ect). As for characters, the CSM ones tend to be all over the place so it's not unreasonable to think they banded together for a mission or two.

Basically what I'm saying is that with Chaos you're a lot less limited in how things go together than some other armies.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Now it says the only units that can take VOTLW, but some Characters and the Daemon Prince get it for free so once again, un-fluffy but is it legal?

Is it "taking" as an upgrade when the rule is listed as part of their default rules?

No. It simply means units who have the option to purchase it, no longer have that option barring Khorne Berserkers, Plague Marines and Noise Marines.

Nobody have an answer to the "Why didn't Possessed get reboxed?" question?

It's giving me false hope of a Chosen or another Possessed kit. Perhaps combined. I'd like somebody to crush that hope, unless somebody wants to send the rumour to Naftka and keep the hope alive, even wrongly, for a time.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Nobody have an answer to the "Why didn't Possessed get reboxed?" question?

It's giving me false hope of a Chosen or another Possessed kit. Perhaps combined. I'd like somebody to crush that hope, unless somebody wants to send the rumour to Naftka and keep the hope alive, even wrongly, for a time.

A lot of things haven't gotten reboxed (Chaos Vindi for instance). GW might be doing it in waves instead of all at once.