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I had no intention of this becoming smutt

Honestly, It's not. Though, I have to ask, what specific novels were these, that you mentioned? Honestly, might be interesting to read just for a second pair of eyes. Because, there is a grimdark solution that you're not taking into account.
Picture this;

Decades or centuries into the future, the Eldar race suffers an apocalyptic collapse as the last refuges fall. At the front of the death stands dear ol' Gabe and his marines, cutting down Eldar left and right. Gabe is standing on a small hill, his chainsword shoved clear through Macha, before finally kicking her corpse off his blade. The last Eldar falls into the eternity circuit and boom, the Eldar god of Death is finally born. Slaanesh goes poof in a nice epic fight, and the Eldar are saved.

Remember, the Eldar think they will be saved once they all die out to birth a new god.

I read it in the Dawn of War books. I read the Obnibus and I think it was some where in there where Gabriel was chasing Ahrlemin into the web way and ended up on the Harlequin Home World. There they made the prophesy on those lines. Its been a while since i read the book.

Lots of people being hateful and inflecting their interpretations on the fluff on others.

If you and your girlfriend think it'd be cool, then go for it. In fact, all the neckbeards getting pissed off it would go against the universe should make it more delicious to read their baleful hatred directed your way.

 SRSFACE wrote:
Lots of people being hateful and inflecting their interpretations on the fluff on others.

If you and your girlfriend think it'd be cool, then go for it. In fact, all the neckbeards getting pissed off it would go against the universe should make it more delicious to read their baleful hatred directed your way.

There's interpretations of the fluff, and then there's simply it going completely against all GW published material, save one little bit from Rogue Trader days that has since been retconned.

Omicron-Fenrir wrote:
My GF and I love bouncing fan fics off eachother. We recently came up with a thought.

In the novels Harlequins devined that Gabriel Angelos will save the Eldar Race. Also there seems to be chemestry between him and the Farseer Macha. We wondered what would happen if she some how conceived his child in some form of miracle? What would this do to both the Imperium and the Eldar? Just a dumb thought!

Well I've never read that novel so I've no idea what the prophecy about Macha is -- 1d4chan told me the prophecy is about her and the Emperor? But that's like the most unreliable source on 40k short of those fanon sites. That's fine, those are all fine, but not when the background directly contradicts of course - the background is there for a reason, ever since the RT days.

As far as if an Astarte mates with an Eldar... Probably nothing happens, because there's no indication that they can do that; either because they are neutered or whatever is unknown of course...eh, too much information?

But Eldar and most human probably can interbreed, that is to say... some abhumans might not?

So most psykers should be able to do the same, and the Emperor being the Emperor of course, can do almost anything! So the big E, might actually be able to mate with an Eldar, as far as if he would if another thing entirely.

But if they do somehow, this is what will happen - a sweet, perfect, psychically potent, mighty Gary Tsu that is a xeno-abonimation bady will be born, and then, this being 40k... chaos, anarchy, leaching, burnings, riots, in-fighting, Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty thousand years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes, Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Oh god I love your last sentence you have no idea how much!

But yep she speculates the Emperor will make Gabe able to produce a child with Macha and Macha will be taken by the Harlequins to keep her and the child Safe. Gabe being a Chapter Master keeps it under wraps from the imperium. Since Knowledge is power, guard it well.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
How would such a union affect the Imperium/Eldar? Well, in a shellnut..

Imperium: *Blam*

Eldar: You did WHAT?! You sick, perverted woman!

You have to understand that a little thing like a hybrid wouldn't do much to change the Imperium's ingrained anti-xeno attitude. It's like saying a race of happy, viable human mutants would change the anti-mutant attitude. It's just too deep in the Imperial psyche.

That's assuming that an Eldar woman's hips are even wide enough to handle giving birth to a half-human (let alone half-astartes) without tearing or breaking something... although I guess Eldar have high enough tech to do a caesarian.

Can Astartes modifications be passed on to children? I always thought that Space Marines were (mostly) genetically human it's just they are biologically modified.

I assume they can since the modifications are done on the Genetic level. Gene Seed is the Catalysc for the change to the DNA

Hey. Hey. What about Tau x Hummies?

well the Fic she and I were thinking were of Gaberial Angelos and Macha from the Dawn of War Novels

 A sane man wrote:
Hey. Hey. What about Tau x Hummies?

Impossible... supposedly anyways, there are humans in Tau colonies, a Tau player can probably tell you that; but since members of castes are forbidden cross-breed, i.e., Air caste members cannot "marry" with Fire caste Taus, (I use quotation marks because I've no idea how Tau marriage works; they might be similar to humans, or as some other person who I cannot recall the name had posted, that the a female Tau's motherhood ends with the birth of her child, which suggests they do not have a nuclear family structure). A Tau player of course, probably knows better. This of course, technically does not prevent a Tau to mate with a Human, or even a Kroot; it all depends on if it's biologically possible.

As for OP. Gene-seeds are Implants, extra organs that are surgically inserted into a neophyte through a long (as hinted somewhere, usually painful.) period. The geneseeds can change an astarte's outward appearances and innate abilities, but exactly how it works is, essentially magic. So the gene-seed might have the ability make the recipants infertile; or, like I said, the same effect could have easily been achieve through neutering. Some have, went so far as to say the intense indoctrination the Astartes went through had achieve such effect... As far as I know there is no canon confirmation of a half-Astarte child is ever born (not even BL books, though one would expect C.S. Goto to have claimed that "achievement"). Full Astarte offspring is impossible since, you know, no such abominable heresy is ever known.

Omicron-Fenrir wrote:
well the Fic she and I were thinking were of Gaberial Angelos and Macha from the Dawn of War Novels

Dawn of War novels are bad, and C.S. Goto is bad. As your local Dark Apostle, I recommend you purge the blasphemy with a healthy dose of ADB Night Lords of Nick Kyme Salamanders, and ASAP.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Omicron-Fenrir wrote:
well the Fic she and I were thinking were of Gaberial Angelos and Macha from the Dawn of War Novels

Dawn of War novels are bad, and C.S. Goto is bad. As your local Dark Apostle, I recommend you purge the blasphemy with a healthy dose of ADB Night Lords of Nick Kyme Salamanders, and ASAP.

cant be nay worse than that twilight Crap

If you want to go with the whole 'what if?' thing then it could happen and because it shouldn't matter what everyone here or anywhere think really. However, if you're trying to remain cannon you'll run into two big problems:

1) Space marines cannot reproduce. Somewhere along the training the notion of any carnal desire is removed to the point where it's not even a thought. In addition, the parts required to breed children are not functional. Anything that would distract you is pretty much 'removed'. The best example of this was during Fulgrim's turn to Chaos when people were giving into all base desires and one of the space marines states that it stirs something within him that he recalled prior to becoming a Space marine but didn't act on it.

2) Breeding between Eldar and Human would be the same thing as a human breeding with a moderate to very attractive dolphin. It would be inter-species and by nature wouldn't result in pregnancy.

Again, if you want to make a miracle and make it happen. Do it up.

 A sane man wrote:
Hey. Hey. What about Tau x Hummies?

Roughly the same chance of happening than Human x Hereford Cow.

I don't know if it was the Star Child of "V" fame, the stories of alien hybrids made popular by UFO lore and the X-Files or some misguided attempt to make stories "relevant" by inserting racial commentary through generally lame fantasy excuses, but in the late 90s-early 00s you coudn't have science-fiction or fantasy without your share of hybrids and crossbreeds, all usually treated to the same old "angsty misfit who's secretly the Chosen One" standards.

It's a good thing 40k never went with the trend.

There is absolutely no way to alter a person genetically in anyway besides there DNA code directly that would pass down to a future generation. What I mean is if something is done to alter an organ of mine it will not pass down in my seed to my children. The traits of the original organ would pass down.

As far as I know space marines aren't sterile that just have no desire for sex or reproduction so it's like being psychologically sterile


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What if a Swarm Lord bred with an Ork warboss doe?

we can all see why it isnt possible everyone keeps saying the same thing but what very few people are taking into account is that it is Fanfic. it doesnt have to necessarily be canon, it doesnt have to be biologically possible (very little of 40k is possible).

if you want to do it. make is plausible. make it a miracle make it a prophecy give it something that makes sense and makes people think "oh yeah i see the link" dont go saying that the baby was heralded as the rebirth of the Emp make the baby a hidden secret forgotten until it come of age. you can do what you want with it it might be that the Emp dies and the baby joins the imperium and eldar in 300yrs time. it might be that the baby was born whilst Macha travels on a small vesel comandeered by Gabriel in the midst of a warp storm and the baby is born into Chaos. honestly.

its your story dont ask for the opinions of the internet it doesnt always work out how you want it to.

Omicron-Fenrir wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Omicron-Fenrir wrote:
well the Fic she and I were thinking were of Gaberial Angelos and Macha from the Dawn of War Novels

Dawn of War novels are bad, and C.S. Goto is bad. As your local Dark Apostle, I recommend you purge the blasphemy with a healthy dose of ADB Night Lords of Nick Kyme Salamanders, and ASAP.

cant be nay worse than that twilight Crap

Actually by the fluff, it's worse and would require greater suspension of belief.

jakejackjake wrote:There is absolutely no way to alter a person genetically in anyway besides there DNA code directly that would pass down to a future generation. What I mean is if something is done to alter an organ of mine it will not pass down in my seed to my children. The traits of the original organ would pass down.

Except for Retrovirii.

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What if a Swarm Lord bred with an Ork warboss doe?

Ork warboss... doe? Aiya...

What if a mantis prawn bred with a female aspergillus?

Wyzilla wrote:

Actually by the fluff, it's worse and would require greater suspension of belief.

Nah, just recognise that they're faeries instead of vampires and you're golden. Even down to the 'I'm so superior because you're a human woman!' stick.

Eihnlazer wrote:

Space marines are generally known to be unable to produce children because most have their reproductive organs (i.e. testes) removed during the implantation process to make room for the extra organs being placed and to make them more docile.

Because docility is a really useful trait in genetically engineered killing machines

Dark Eldar could try and make a Eldar pregenant by a human if they feeling nasty - and they usually are.

However they may not be that keen on the idea beyond the obvious humilation as they still consider all Eldar as above the rest of the universe and the varied "animals" that inhabit it.

Well the thought of Angelos supposedly saving the Eldar Race crossed my mind and I cam up with this scenario

Didn't Angelos get smashed into bloody paste by a giant Daemon that crawled out of a lava bath?

not sure. I havent seen him past DOW II. In the novel I read the Harlequins prophesised he would save the dying race. MY GFs interpretation was some how Macha bears his child by Miracle.

If any offspring came from this, I'd be seriously concerned that it might actually be a Genestealer.

MrBlackledge wrote:
its your story dont ask for the opinions of the internet it doesnt always work out how you want it to.

Except they did ask for the opinions of the internet.

Psienesis wrote:Didn't Angelos get smashed into bloody paste by a giant Daemon that crawled out of a lava bath?

He survived and died. He gets smacked by the newly-ascended Kyras, Daemon Prince and final boss. If you're playing any campaign other than the Blood Ravens, he dies. If you're playing Blood Ravens, he is simply unconscious and is recovered by Diomedes after killing Kyras for good (I think there is some mention of "he's not a full Daemon Prince yet, so his death is permanent", but I'm not sure), and later healed in time to become the Chapter Master. As far as we can tell, the canon ending is a mixture of the various endings, but is mostly the Blood Ravens one.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
If any offspring came from this, I'd be seriously concerned that it might actually be a Genestealer.

Really? I want to hear the justification for this...professional curiosity, of course.

We have too many technical issues, here (ignoring the social ones). The biggest is the whole "breeding with something completely alien", which is effectively the same as expecting to have babies with a tree. Then we have the most-probable lack of Space Marine genitalia, among other things that people have already mentioned, among which is the assumption that Eldar and human genitals are even remotely compatible in the physical sense, never mind genetic.

But what group doesn't care what you are, as long as you have biomass? What group can mess around with genetics so fundamentally that they can turn any native plant-like life form into a scary bio-machine to suit their own needs? And particularly, of this group, which of their bio-forms is known for messing around with the genetics of intelligent life?

I call Genestealer trickery.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
We have too many technical issues, here (ignoring the social ones). The biggest is the whole "breeding with something completely alien", which is effectively the same as expecting to have babies with a tree. Then we have the most-probable lack of Space Marine genitalia, among other things that people have already mentioned, among which is the assumption that Eldar and human genitals are even remotely compatible in the physical sense, never mind genetic.

But what group doesn't care what you are, as long as you have biomass? What group can mess around with genetics so fundamentally that they can turn any native plant-like life form into a scary bio-machine to suit their own needs? And particularly, of this group, which of their bio-forms is known for messing around with the genetics of intelligent life?

I call Genestealer trickery.

Hehe...hehe...huh...
Holy crap, I didn't think about that. Genestealers do have that ability to overwhelm the minds of the breeders... Oh good lord. This actually seems highly plausible. So...good ol' Gabe gets knocked over by a genestealer, who overwhelms his mind, and then he goes and knocks up Macha, who gets taken control of as well. Hmm, I think I would probably die of irony. A messed up hybrid human/eldar with extreme amounts of genestealer DNA thrown in, quite probably having the classic multiple arm mutation of the first generations of hybrids. Ok...on one hand, the Tyranid part of me wants to laugh in glee and wonder if it would have access to the warp. The criminally insane Imperial xenobiologist side of me just wants to call dibs on dissecting it.

What to do?

All of the above, UH. All of the above.

In different .odt files.