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Dang, even the Ogryns look awesome! For me this release looks fantastic, so I'm pretty damn happy I have the allies table as an excuse to one day pick up some of those models

 Kroothawk wrote:
Bane pic confirms the new name.

DJ, drop a beat.

 Kroothawk wrote:
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Edit: Seals? Yeah, scary

Don't you see? It's a ruse. As soon as you let your guard down, it bites out your throat with its sharp teeth.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
if they still called the book "Imperial Guard" and just used Astra Militarium a few times inside? Just for the sake of my curiosity.

That is my issue, essentially. With the Adeptus Astartes it is still Codex Space Marines; most of the Imperial stuff has different technical designations, but changing the overarching designation to players seems somewhat jarring. They can call it what they want but after twenty five years of being Imperial Guard I have to imagine that is still what many will refer to them as.

I've said this a few times in various places before, but I'm going to say it again in all seriousness.

When I get my codex, I'm going to alter the front cover to say "Imperial Guard" instead of "Astra Militarum".

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am not a fan of Imperial aesthetics at all, but the Ogryns look okay, not much better or worse than older versions.


Seems to be 3 in a box, either build as Ogryns or armoured Bullgryns. Bane pic confirms the new name.

I am thinking its going to be 5/box with a $50 price tag, similar to how wraith guard went.

So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

With this type of games design it's no wonder GW is destined to go under.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

Yeah, if only they had a way to move faster...like an armored vehicle of some kind...

 Ahtman wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
if they still called the book "Imperial Guard" and just used Astra Militarium a few times inside? Just for the sake of my curiosity.

That is my issue, essentially. With the Adeptus Astartes it is still Codex Space Marines; most of the Imperial stuff has different technical designations, but changing the overarching designation to players seems somewhat jarring. They can call it what they want but after twenty five years of being Imperial Guard I have to imagine that is still what many will refer to them as.

Actually, according to rumors, the next Space Marine update will be called Codex: Adeptus Astartes. It's just that this change was made after their latest codex was published, hence Codex: Adepta Sororitas and now Codex: Astra Militarum. Note that the newest Space Marine release wasn't labeled "Space Marine Storm Wing", but "Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing." The change has already been made.

All I'm saying is "Scion" doesn't sound like a very threatening or scary name. I think of cylon, scones, scion the car, sigh on, syphilis, etc...

You hear Spetsnaz, Rangers, Delta Squad, SEALS, Marine Recon, Kommando, SpecOps, etc....It brings images of very highly trained warriors....

You're trying to apply an objective measure to something entirely subjective. For instance, somebody might look at your list of what evokes highly trained warriors, see the word "SEALs", and think whiskered sea creature which isn't particularly menacing or tough. Scion, on the other hand, would evoke some impressive imagery to others. It certainly does to me, as I'm familiar with the word, and every time I've seen it used it was for something important. And if you think of "syphilis" when you hear the word Scion then that sounds more like a personal problem unique to you. Nevermind that Spetsnaz, SEALs, and SpecOps sound more like syphilis than Scion...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

Yeah, if only they had a way to move faster...like an armored vehicle of some kind...

That wasn't composed of ass.....way over priced.....and probably not great rules wise.....

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

Yeah, if only they had a way to move faster...like an armored vehicle of some kind...

You mean like a Land Raider equivelent?

Yeah, those land raiders really make SM's slow, "elite-sized" points-heavy assault units competit-

Oh wait no it doesn't.

Unless you can get a full squad of Ogryns and the transport (which needs the assault vehicle rule) for under 200 points, the chances of it being a competitive unit are pretty low.

 alarmingrick wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

Yeah, if only they had a way to move faster...like an armored vehicle of some kind...

That wasn't composed of ass.....way over priced.....and probably not great rules wise.....

Way Overpriced? It's 29 pounds. That's about average. In fact, that's 2 pounds less than the ghost ark.

 alarmingrick wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

Yeah, if only they had a way to move faster...like an armored vehicle of some kind...

That wasn't composed of ass.....way over priced.....and probably not great rules wise.....

Are we talking about the $37.25 Chimera, here?

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
Actually, according to rumors, the next Space Marine update will be called Codex: Adeptus Astartes.

Considering the current edition is barely seven months old I don't think we need to worry much about the (also not on the horizon) 7th edition release of the codex quite yet.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
All I'm saying is "Scion" doesn't sound like a very threatening or scary name. I think of cylon, scones, scion the car, sigh on, syphilis, etc...

You hear Spetsnaz, Rangers, Delta Squad, SEALS, Marine Recon, Kommando, SpecOps, etc....It brings images of very highly trained warriors....

I mean, they could be called Spartans, or Imperial Legionnaires, or Keshiks, or Green Berets, or Rapid Assault Force, or just something that paints a vivid picture of an elite fighting force....

Sorry, not enough... You are telling me that fluffy and great description of the status (I guess its connected to original ST fluff with orphans in Schola Progenium, where are brainwashed and forged into killing machine) is worse than hurr durr second rate B-movie clichéd names like "Spartans"? Because it reminds you syphilis... yeah...right...they should be named "Teabagging Demonrapers With Huge Balls" and carve their names into lesser demons hearts...

Sorry, but this is thing I cant digest. Instead of original, good and badass name (we are descendants of dead and we are here for payback...or whatever we are told) some people would like hundred times used cliches without any connection to fluff.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
Actually, according to rumors, the next Space Marine update will be called Codex: Adeptus Astartes.

Considering the current edition is barely seven months old I don't think we need to worry much about the (also not on the horizon) 7th edition release of the codex quite yet.

Doesn't change the point. Codex: Space Marines will be renamed in time. It's not going to be an exception to this.

 UlrikDecado wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
All I'm saying is "Scion" doesn't sound like a very threatening or scary name. I think of cylon, scones, scion the car, sigh on, syphilis, etc...

You hear Spetsnaz, Rangers, Delta Squad, SEALS, Marine Recon, Kommando, SpecOps, etc....It brings images of very highly trained warriors....

I mean, they could be called Spartans, or Imperial Legionnaires, or Keshiks, or Green Berets, or Rapid Assault Force, or just something that paints a vivid picture of an elite fighting force....

Sorry, not enough... You are telling me that fluffy and great description of the status (I guess its connected to original ST fluff with orphans in Schola Progenium, where are brainwashed and forged into killing machine) is worse than hurr durr second rate B-movie clichéd names like "Spartans"? Because it reminds you syphilis... yeah...right...they should be named "Teabagging Demonrapers With Huge Balls" and carve their names into lesser demons hearts...

Sorry, but this is thing I cant digest. Instead of original, good and badass name (we are descendants of dead and we are here for payback...or whatever we are told) some people would like hundred times used cliches without any connection to fluff.

Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
Actually, according to rumors, the next Space Marine update will be called Codex: Adeptus Astartes.

Considering the current edition is barely seven months old I don't think we need to worry much about the (also not on the horizon) 7th edition release of the codex quite yet.

Doesn't change the point. Codex: Space Marines will be renamed in time. It's not going to be an exception to this.

Why did they name the Knight book Codex: Imperial Knights then? "Imperial Knight" isn't something they can trademark, so can you fill us in with the information why they didn't name them "Adeptus Knighticus" or some equally moronic title?

 Therion wrote:
Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

Subjective opinions are subjective, and people have different opinions. Deal with it.

It's a little wordy and sounds better with just the one word, rather like Valkyrie Assault Carrier. Doesn't mean that "Scions" isn't a neat name, fit with the background, or is bad. Subjectivity is our friend.

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

Subjective opinions are subjective, and people have different opinions. Deal with it.

I'm dealing with it just fine. You're welcome to spending your money on trash, and when you do I won't come facepalming like the person I replied to would.

 Therion wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

Subjective opinions are subjective, and people have different opinions. Deal with it.

I'm dealing with it just fine. You're welcome to spending your money on trash, and when you do I won't come facepalming like the person I replied to would.

Your posts would indicate otherwise, as you seem to be raging pretty hard over an inability to grasp that people have differing opinions.

To whomever said they think Ogryns will be 5/$50 like the Wraithguard box, I doubt it. I figure it'll be 3/$60 or $70ish, more in line with Centurions or Crisis Suit Teams.

There's no way it's a reasonably priced box. People have been clamouring for it for too long.

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

Subjective opinions are subjective, and people have different opinions. Deal with it.

I'm dealing with it just fine. You're welcome to spending your money on trash, and when you do I won't come facepalming like the person I replied to would.

Your posts would indicate otherwise, as you seem to be raging pretty hard over an inability to grasp that people have differing opinions.

Please provide a few examples.

 SRSFACE wrote:
To whomever said they think Ogryns will be 5/$50 like the Wraithguard box, I doubt it. I figure it'll be 3/$60 or $70ish, more in line with Centurions or Crisis Suit Teams.

There's no way it's a reasonably priced box. People have been clamouring for it for too long.

Perhaps, but aren't centurions and suits also much larger than Ogryns?

 Therion wrote:
Please provide a few examples.

Your last half-dozen posts. For a guy who claims he's "dealing with it" just fine, you sure seem like someone who feels the need to tell people how wrong their opinion is. That's the opposite of dealing with it.


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 SRSFACE wrote:
To whomever said they think Ogryns will be 5/$50 like the Wraithguard box, I doubt it. I figure it'll be 3/$60 or $70ish, more in line with Centurions or Crisis Suit Teams.

There's no way it's a reasonably priced box. People have been clamouring for it for too long.

Yeah, my thinking is it'll be about the price of a squad of Centurions for the same number of models. MAYBE a little cheaper as the amount of bits is likely a lot less than the Centurions (I.E. Tons of small fiddly bits).

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Please provide a few examples.

Your last half-dozen posts. For a guy who claims he's "dealing with it" just fine, you sure seem like someone who feels the need to tell people how wrong their opinion is. That's the opposite of dealing with it.

I asked for examples. Of course we both know that you won't find any posts where I'm telling someone how wrong his opinion is, but I'll wait for those examples anyway. The least it'll do is have you posting more inane strawmen to keep everyone entertained.

 Therion wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

Subjective opinions are subjective, and people have different opinions. Deal with it.

I'm dealing with it just fine. You're welcome to spending your money on trash, and when you do I won't come facepalming like the person I replied to would.

There is a difference though in being a jerk about yourself and disagreeing. I on the other hand love these new Scions and want them as a Guardsmen squad version so I can spam the hell out of them.

<Insert take my Guard money here>

That weird transport has grown on me a bit but I still prefer Chimeras. That is far to tall for me.

 Therion wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Please provide a few examples.

Your last half-dozen posts. For a guy who claims he's "dealing with it" just fine, you sure seem like someone who feels the need to tell people how wrong their opinion is. That's the opposite of dealing with it.

I asked for examples.

Ok doke then.

 Therion wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

Subjective opinions are subjective, and people have different opinions. Deal with it.

I'm dealing with it just fine. You're welcome to spending your money on trash, and when you do I won't come facepalming like the person I replied to would.

 Therion wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
All I'm saying is "Scion" doesn't sound like a very threatening or scary name. I think of cylon, scones, scion the car, sigh on, syphilis, etc...

You hear Spetsnaz, Rangers, Delta Squad, SEALS, Marine Recon, Kommando, SpecOps, etc....It brings images of very highly trained warriors....

I mean, they could be called Spartans, or Imperial Legionnaires, or Keshiks, or Green Berets, or Rapid Assault Force, or just something that paints a vivid picture of an elite fighting force....

Sorry, not enough... You are telling me that fluffy and great description of the status (I guess its connected to original ST fluff with orphans in Schola Progenium, where are brainwashed and forged into killing machine) is worse than hurr durr second rate B-movie clichéd names like "Spartans"? Because it reminds you syphilis... yeah...right...they should be named "Teabagging Demonrapers With Huge Balls" and carve their names into lesser demons hearts...

Sorry, but this is thing I cant digest. Instead of original, good and badass name (we are descendants of dead and we are here for payback...or whatever we are told) some people would like hundred times used cliches without any connection to fluff.

Your emotional outburst is appreciated, but the name "Militarum Tempestus Scions" still sucks. The models aren't much better. Deal with it.

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
Actually, according to rumors, the next Space Marine update will be called Codex: Adeptus Astartes.

Considering the current edition is barely seven months old I don't think we need to worry much about the (also not on the horizon) 7th edition release of the codex quite yet.

Doesn't change the point. Codex: Space Marines will be renamed in time. It's not going to be an exception to this.

Why did they name the Knight book Codex: Imperial Knights then? "Imperial Knight" isn't something they can trademark, so can you fill us in with the information why they didn't name them "Adeptus Knighticus" or some equally moronic title?

Yep, you totally are as cool as a cucumber. No vitriol here. None at all.

Oh, another one!

 Therion wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Please provide a few examples.

Your last half-dozen posts. For a guy who claims he's "dealing with it" just fine, you sure seem like someone who feels the need to tell people how wrong their opinion is. That's the opposite of dealing with it.

I asked for examples. Of course we both know that you won't find any posts where I'm telling someone how wrong his opinion is, but I'll wait for those examples anyway. The least it'll do is have you posting more inane strawmen to keep everyone entertained.

Much coolness. So Cucumber.

 Therion wrote:
I asked for examples.

You continue to provide them with each post.

 BunkerBob wrote:
There is a difference though in being a jerk about yourself and disagreeing. I on the other hand love these new Scions and want them as a Guardsmen squad version so I can spam the hell out of them.

<Insert take my Guard money here>

Case in point.

And agreed. I rather like the models, and it appears that they'll have several variant heads, including fully helmeted heads, judging from the box. Hopefully these guys can be used as Veterans. If so, then I'm looking forward to having entire guard squads in carapace armor using this kit.

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:

 Therion wrote:
I asked for examples.

You continue to provide them with each post.

Still waiting. Oh wait, was this a trap? When I wrote 'Still waiting' I added one more post where I told you how wrong your opinion was? Oh you clever you!

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Ok doke then.

Which one of the posts you quoted have absolutely anything to do with your opinion, not to mention me claiming that your opinion is wrong? All I see is me stating my opinion. The names are bad and the models are bad.