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Still no one has posted the missile turret tank in the Knights codex.

The Ogryn all look pretty good with the exception of the one that has the little well manicured beard and mustache. That one just does not do it for me.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Still no one has posted the missile turret tank in the Knights codex.

There's a missile turret tank in the Knights codex? Pics anywhere?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Still no one has posted the missile turret tank in the Knights codex.

There's a missile turret tank in the Knights codex? Pics anywhere?

its in the background on one of the the spreads and is definitely not the manticore. It only has 2 missiles and looks like a turret like the hydra. I'll see if I cant get a reasonable pic.

EDIT: Its half blurry, but its pg 56 top left corner.

 Ravenous D wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Still no one has posted the missile turret tank in the Knights codex.

There's a missile turret tank in the Knights codex? Pics anywhere?

its in the background on one of the the spreads and is definitely not the manticore. It only has 2 missiles and looks like a turret like the hydra. I'll see if I cant get a reasonable pic.

It is the Deathstrike launcher.

The "main" missile is one huge thing with multiple smaller rockets on the sides.

The deathstrike is there in the center, look at the top left, the one with only 2 missiles. pg 56

Its probably just a manticore with some missing missiles. Not the first time GW has posted something unfinished or broken.

Yeah, that's the Manticore.

It's at a weird angle and out of focus, but it is the Manticore. If you look closely you can see the "support structure" for the missile rack, there's no turret.

So now GW is stealing design inspiration from Puppetswar? I knew I had seen overdone groin guards before.

 Therion wrote:
Holy crap. This is shaping up to be one of the worst codex relaunches ever. Absolutely atrocious. Now all that's missing is a huge swing from the nerfbat to every remotely competitive unit and the castration of the IG is complete.

Well we don't know if Cruddace got to ruin write this one like he did the new Tyranids book, so we can't say yet.

 sennacherib wrote:
The Ogryn all look pretty good with the exception of the one that has the little well manicured beard and mustache. That one just does not do it for me.

Well, it DOES appear to be a Bone 'Ead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Holy crap. This is shaping up to be one of the worst codex relaunches ever. Absolutely atrocious. Now all that's missing is a huge swing from the nerfbat to every remotely competitive unit and the castration of the IG is complete.

Well we don't know if Cruddace got to ruin write this one like he did the new Tyranids book, so we can't say yet.

Well Cruddace wrote the last guard dex and then has done nothing but junk since. Word on the street is he got in trouble for making guard too awesome (first time they win consistently in the history of the game) and got gun shy after.

The problem with the guard dex is that it only has 2 likely directions to go, sideways or way down.

 SickSix wrote:
So now GW is stealing design inspiration from Puppetswar? I knew I had seen overdone groin guards before.

You do realise that similar designs of armour were used in some Necron models, right?

More what I take away from this release of the truck and ogryns is the one time 3rd ed turn to Saturday Morning Cartoon feel that 40k took

 Ravenous D wrote:
Word on the street is he got in trouble for making guard too awesome (first time they win consistently in the history of the game) and got gun shy after.

How would that even happen? Does he write it in a bubble and then release it without telling anyone else at GW? You'd think someone other than Cruddace would have read it or playtested it before release.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Holy crap. This is shaping up to be one of the worst codex relaunches ever. Absolutely atrocious. Now all that's missing is a huge swing from the nerfbat to every remotely competitive unit and the castration of the IG is complete.

Well we don't know if Cruddace got to ruin write this one like he did the new Tyranids book, so we can't say yet.

Well Cruddace wrote the last guard dex and then has done nothing but junk since. Word on the street is he got in trouble for making guard too awesome (first time they win consistently in the history of the game) and got gun shy after.

The problem with the guard dex is that it only has 2 likely directions to go, sideways or way down.

I'm sorry to be the noob in the room but is there a reason why the guard codex cant increase in power? Like become the power level of the Elder or tau?

IG always died heroicly in tourneys

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Word on the street is he got in trouble for making guard too awesome (first time they win consistently in the history of the game) and got gun shy after.

How would that even happen? Does he write it in a bubble and then release it without telling anyone else at GW? You'd think someone other than Cruddace would have read it or playtested it before release.

He obviously doesn't play test, after guard he made the worst book in 5th, then made the sisters book (nerf city) then wrote the same nid codex with less options.

Other then marines, he hasn't made a good book since guard.


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Zengu wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Holy crap. This is shaping up to be one of the worst codex relaunches ever. Absolutely atrocious. Now all that's missing is a huge swing from the nerfbat to every remotely competitive unit and the castration of the IG is complete.

Well we don't know if Cruddace got to ruin write this one like he did the new Tyranids book, so we can't say yet.

Well Cruddace wrote the last guard dex and then has done nothing but junk since. Word on the street is he got in trouble for making guard too awesome (first time they win consistently in the history of the game) and got gun shy after.

The problem with the guard dex is that it only has 2 likely directions to go, sideways or way down.

I'm sorry to be the noob in the room but is there a reason why the guard codex cant increase in power? Like become the power level of the Elder or tau?

Mostly because the guard codex is pretty much where it should be, it can deal with nearly everything. The only thing that is hurting it is the age of the book and stale builds. If it gets better then awesome. I just don't see that as likely as GW seems to be behind on the information they get when it comes to nerfing things.

I noted some differences from the FW hydra.

I don't see it as likely, either. The Guard book is, indeed, pretty damn awesome, and has a cover for anything.

If we were to get a *pure* buff to the book, the only thing that could really change is points reductions for tanks, so that their cost matches their reduced firepower and durability (thanks, ordnance and hull-point rules), and reduced costs for some of the more lackluster units, like ogryns specifically (if they were exactly the same as their 5th edition version, but 20 points cheaper, they would be usable). Maybe play around with Stormtroopers and Penal Legions a bit, but that's it really.

What's more likely though is that we'll get point increases for our flyers, tank costs will fluctuate with some getting cheaper and some more expensive, several character abilities will get nerfed to becoming once-per-game things, and veterans will become slightly less awesome.

So yeah, mostly just down.

The new transport and new ogyrns are so ugly that they decided to rename everything Astra Militarum so the real Imperial Guard could save face.


I don't get how GW can do such good detailing work in plastics while completely missing the boat on overall model design. Terrible designs.




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Zengu wrote:
I'm sorry to be the noob in the room but is there a reason why the guard codex cant increase in power? Like become the power level of the Elder or tau?

Because for most of their existence IG have sucked. The 5th edition codex was the rare exception to the rule, and one that the author apparently got in trouble for. Expect them to go back to sucking because they're an Imperial army that isn't space marines.

To be fair, how many years has it been since Vanilla Space Marines were anything but solidly average on the overall powerscale?

 Peregrine wrote:

Zengu wrote:
I'm sorry to be the noob in the room but is there a reason why the guard codex cant increase in power? Like become the power level of the Elder or tau?

Because for most of their existence IG have sucked. The 5th edition codex was the rare exception to the rule, and one that the author apparently got in trouble for. Expect them to go back to sucking because they're an Imperial army that isn't space marines.

That I did not think of but makes perfect sense and its such a shame that Sm's get so much love......

Who ogryns! ?
Who cares about them? Give us new tanks and upgrades for the
Infantry!

I for one think the new Ogryn look better than older versions but I will not be using them no matter what rules they get as they do not fit in my army. The Hydra I hope at a bare minimum can choose whether or not to skyfire. I loved using Hydras, I even made my own. Maybe if they shoot at a ground target they don't get Interceptor the next turn or something. Also hoping it's not open topped. My main concern is what they are going to do to...
(1) Leman Russ tanks
(2)Imperial Guard Platoons

Any one notice the end of the barrel of the gun in the hydra picture, not the earth shaker but the bear metal one. It doesn't look like a battle cannon... could it be this new gun hull mounted tank we've heard rumors of?

I must be one of the few who likes the new Ogryn. I think the current ones are terrible, and that these are a major improvement.

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
Any one notice the end of the barrel of the gun in the hydra picture, not the earth shaker but the bear metal one. It doesn't look like a battle cannon... could it be this new gun hull mounted tank we've heard rumors of?

The 2 gun barrels off to the right of the picture? They both look like Basilisks to me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I must be one of the few who likes the new Ogryn. I think the current ones are terrible, and that these are a major improvement.

I agree with you.

I think part of what's holding them back in these images is the paint job. 'Eavy Metal never really did larger non-mech units particularly well. Once these come out, troll CMON for awhile and I think we'll see these are quite awesome after all.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I must be one of the few who likes the new Ogryn. I think the current ones are terrible, and that these are a major improvement.

You're not alone, I'm pretty fond of the new ones. Although the Ogryn with the facial hair looks a bit silly, and the special Ogryn model looks kinda bleh because of the armor he's wearing, just doesn't fit an Ogryn at all imo. The only thing I feel like I can really hate on is that I liked the look of the older Rippers much better. Their new guns make me think too much of Bolters.

The bullgryns also look damn great in my eyes. Although I was expecting something a little more crude for their riot shield, especially considering they have tank tracks on their armor. I cant help but question who or what put together their armor though. It looks as though it actually went down a production line at one point, but that makes me wonder why they would slap a tank tread on to it and not just more armor? Whatever though, I still look forward to getting some. I'll have a hard time choosing between original Ogryns or the new guys.


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 SRSFACE wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I must be one of the few who likes the new Ogryn. I think the current ones are terrible, and that these are a major improvement.

I agree with you.

I think part of what's holding them back in these images is the paint job. 'Eavy Metal never really did larger non-mech units particularly well. Once these come out, troll CMON for awhile and I think we'll see these are quite awesome after all.

Also this is very important to consider. A lot of old metal models on GW's site look like pure garbage to me because of the outdated and low quality paint jobs. I've googled up some pics of their old models before and found other peoples take on them and they actually look pretty damn sweet. If someone can give the Ogryn's a little more of a gritty paintjob then I'm sure they would look less like " kids toys. "