Ravajaxe wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Can we just agree that Krieg and Vostroya are obviously French names

They are not, mein herr Kroot. Just a cunning cover for two partly French inspired miniatures (and parlty German / Cossack respectively).

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Again:
The Hydra is almost certainly going to be a dual kit with the Basilisk. The Basilisk is currently a Direct Only item, and has been since 2013. We know that they plan things far, far in advance so this is not unheard of.

I concur. Two other arguments back this idea.
First. The elevating circular gears seen on the Hydra guns picture, are very similar in shape and size to the old one of Basilisk. Look above the crewman :



Second. While basilisk kit was updated consecutively to V5 Chimera kit being redone, it kept many outdated sprues components : the accessory sprue for the gunner and some bits, and two 1990's small sprues.
Redesigning these elements to fit on one big current GW's sprues leads to manufacturing economies, and some space to include hydra guns. I'm curious to see if they will circumvent gamer's techniques who magnetize components to swap from a codex entry to another. I suspect them to be slightly vicious, and similarly to the manticore / deathstrike kit, key components would then need to be glued in not swappable configuration.

 sonofruss wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Again:
The Hydra is almost certainly going to be a dual kit with the Basilisk. The Basilisk is currently a Direct Only item, and has been since 2013. We know that they plan things far, far in advance so this is not unheard of.

I concur. Two other arguments back this idea.
First. The elevating circular gears seen on the Hydra guns picture, are very similar in shape and size to the old one of Basilisk. Look above the crewman :



Second. While basilisk kit was updated consecutively to V5 Chimera kit being redone, it kept many outdated sprues components : the accessory sprue for the gunner and some bits, and two 1990's small sprues.
Redesigning these elements to fit on one big current GW's sprues leads to manufacturing economies, and some space to include hydra guns. I'm curious to see if they will circumvent gamer's techniques who magnetize components to swap from a codex entry to another. I suspect them to be slightly vicious, and similarly to the manticore / deathstrike kit, key components would then need to be glued in not swappable configuration.

If this is a dual kit with the Basilisk then why is the Basilisk using the old hull and Bassie parts just looking at the hulls you can see the difference between them If it was a dual Hydra / Basilisk kit it should be using the same hull shouldn't it? it might be a dual kit with something else but I don't think it is the Basilisk.

 sonofruss wrote:

If this is a dual kit with the Basilisk then why is the Basilisk using the old hull and Bassie parts just looking at the hulls you can see the difference between them If it was a dual Hydra / Basilisk kit it should be using the same hull shouldn't it? it might be a dual kit with something else but I don't think it is the Basilisk.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:


Probably a base unit of Guardsmen stats, +1 Toughness for being on horseback, and treated as fleet, rather than beasts (Since horses and woods go together poorly)

There is an "cavalry" sub-type in the 6E rulebook. 12'' move, not slowed by difficult terrain but counts all difficult terrain as dangerous terrain; have fleet and hammer of wrath.

Sure, but which were remarkable cavalry units throughout V5 & V6 editions ? Thunderwolves cavalry for sure, some mounted daemons, OK. What else ? Not IG outdated outclassed cavalry.
I've seen them played once, and they were converted cadians anyway.

IG cavalry is a bit let down, from many years. I remember clearly, at the end of V4 edition, almost all IG's good old metals were discontinued. There was doubts about cavalry availability.
They have been kindly reintroduced in the vastly varied miniature range available when V5 codex hit the stores. Like Valhallans, Mordians, Tallarns, Steel Legionaires were breathed new life with an extended availability period.

Now, I don't like to be doom and gloom, but I fear they are gone definitely. Simply look at how huge the IG range was, and how rationalized other armies are now (into a few plastic / finecast boxes).
So far,we have been given this information :
1 refreshed ogryn box
1 new stormtrooper 5-man squad box
0-1 supposed commissar unit / splittable individuals in plastic box
1 unexpected light transport
1 ( maybe 2) renewed artillery kit


I don't see any room for a cavalry unit, sorry for the guys who like them.
Hope for Forgeworld to take care of them (Mukaali riders of Tallarn, there were old Tallarn metal horse riders also, some time ago).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 sonofruss wrote:

If this is a dual kit with the Basilisk then why is the Basilisk using the old hull and Bassie parts just looking at the hulls you can see the difference between them If it was a dual Hydra / Basilisk kit it should be using the same hull shouldn't it? it might be a dual kit with something else but I don't think it is the Basilisk.

Because the studio armies do not always use the newest models?

I don't see any room for a cavalry unit

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm still not convinced the Hydra will be a dual kit with a Basi, just because I don't think you could fit all the parts on a single sprue and if it is a dual kit, it would waste more plastic than any dual kit we've seen in the past (at least the ones of which I'm aware). The Hydra guns are as long as the tank's hull, all 4 of them will take up most of a sprue. A salamander dual kit makes a bit more sense because it will use one of the Hydra's guns.

Though I would like to see it being a dual kit with a colossus or a griffon. If we don't get a colossus model, it may be dropped from the codex, as I don't see a colossus on the FW site either.

Spoiler:

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Well, the Vendettas that were shown in WD were part of a spread about Apocalypse--so they definitely were from this week's WD. The models were part of the WD staff member's Guard armies, not the Studio armies--so it's definitely Forge World Vendetta kits not plastic Vendetta bits.

Which is sad, since a simple upgrade sprue for the Valk with repack would have been nice.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm still not convinced the Hydra will be a dual kit with a Basi, just because I don't think you could fit all the parts on a single sprue and if it is a dual kit, it would waste more plastic than any dual kit we've seen in the past (at least the ones of which I'm aware). The Hydra guns are as long as the tank's hull, all 4 of them will take up most of a sprue. A salamander dual kit makes a bit more sense because it will use one of the Hydra's guns.

Though I would like to see it being a dual kit with a colossus or a griffon. If we don't get a colossus model, it may be dropped from the codex, as I don't see a colossus on the FW site either.

The biggest part of the sprue is the gunshield. If they redid the gunshield slightly, they could make it pull double duty for the Basilisk and the Hydra.

This would explain why the Hydra is open topped. With a little redesign you could easily make that gun shield work for the basilisk and the Hydra. Have we see a full on pic of a basilisk in the leaked photos to see if the old gunshield is intact?

Spoiler:

Have we see a full on pic of a basilisk in the leaked photos to see if the old gunshield is intact?

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:


Probably a base unit of Guardsmen stats, +1 Toughness for being on horseback, and treated as fleet, rather than beasts (Since horses and woods go together poorly)

There is an "cavalry" sub-type in the 6E rulebook. 12'' move, not slowed by difficult terrain but counts all difficult terrain as dangerous terrain; have fleet and hammer of wrath.

Sure, but which were remarkable cavalry units throughout V5 & V6 editions ? Thunderwolves cavalry for sure, some mounted daemons, OK. What else ? Not IG outdated outclassed cavalry.
I've seen them played once, and they were converted cadians anyway.

IG cavalry is a bit let down, from many years. I remember clearly, at the end of V4 edition, almost all IG's good old metals were discontinued. There was doubts about cavalry availability.
They have been kindly reintroduced in the vastly varied miniature range available when V5 codex hit the stores. Like Valhallans, Mordians, Tallarns, Steel Legionaires were breathed new life with an extended availability period.

Now, I don't like to be doom and gloom, but I fear they are gone definitely. Simply look at how huge the IG range was, and how rationalized other armies are now (into a few plastic / finecast boxes).
So far,we have been given this information :
1 refreshed ogryn box
1 new stormtrooper 5-man squad box
0-1 supposed commissar unit / splittable individuals in plastic box
1 unexpected light transport
1 ( maybe 2) renewed artillery kit


I don't see any room for a cavalry unit, sorry for the guys who like them.
Hope for Forgeworld to take care of them (Mukaali riders of Tallarn, there were old Tallarn metal horse riders also, some time ago).

wut

krazynadechukr wrote:

I don't see any room for a cavalry unit

Huh, with 3 fast choices in the org chart, the fact that valk/vendetta are being "combined" into 1 fast choice (1-3), sentinels are another option for fast (1-3), and hellhounds too, PLUS possible points being lowered for guard across the board, I'd imagine salamanders (rumor) and/or rough riders would make an easy "entry" into guard for optional fast choices. Most armies avg about 4 fast choices for their 3 slots...

Or, your statement might have meant, you do not feel GW can "release" so many kits (?) over 4 or 5 weeks (since they are doing weekly releases now), but rough riders already exist...

IMHO, RR will stay...

 sonofruss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 sonofruss wrote:

If this is a dual kit with the Basilisk then why is the Basilisk using the old hull and Bassie parts just looking at the hulls you can see the difference between them If it was a dual Hydra / Basilisk kit it should be using the same hull shouldn't it? it might be a dual kit with something else but I don't think it is the Basilisk.

Because the studio armies do not always use the newest models?

The problem with that is why not use the new shiny to promote the duality of the kit in that pic you have both the new Hydra and OOP Basilisk. I can see it being a dual kit with a different kit like a different artillery tank.

 Bull0 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
We saw Steel Legion go away from GW webstore, and then a leak of the new packaging for them sprouted up. That could be the case for RR too...

That steel legion box shot was fake.


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 Ravajaxe wrote:
But was John Blanche really honest saying so ? Could he openly admit inspiring from French napoleonic, an army enemy of Great Britain ?

Mmm, you're totally right. We have laws against mentioning the Napoleonic war. Because it's so relevant to us, and all. Why, just last week I saw three coal-streaked urchins hanged outside the pie and mash shop in Whitechapel for possessing a caricature of Bonaparte scrawled on a fish and chip wrapper

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I really doubt they'd picture a new Hydra that can also be made in to a new shiny Basilisk next to an old crusty Basilisk unless it was just a slip up.

GW are happy enough to paint show models to a low quality, a lot of the Imperial Knight show models were pretty averagely painted, just a basecoat, single shade, and 1 or 2 edge highlights. I doubt they'd fail to paint a model ready for it's own advertising.

 Kanluwen wrote:
You're assuming that we aren't seeing the new Basilisk, which potentially has very little in the way of "newness".

 Kanluwen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I really doubt they'd picture a new Hydra that can also be made in to a new shiny Basilisk next to an old crusty Basilisk unless it was just a slip up.

GW are happy enough to paint show models to a low quality, a lot of the Imperial Knight show models were pretty averagely painted, just a basecoat, single shade, and 1 or 2 edge highlights. I doubt they'd fail to paint a model ready for it's own advertising.

You're assuming that we aren't seeing the new Basilisk, which potentially has very little in the way of "newness".

It's most likely the old Basilisk but it does have the new siding from the currently selling Chimera kit.

 Balance wrote:
For the Ogryns, the fact that apparently there's what appears to be manufactured armor with mounting brackets for tread-links seems a bit silly. Using spare links as 'improvised armor' on tanks is kind of neat, maybe as a shoulder-guard on an Ogryn, but having it as a part of what appears to be manufactured armor seems a bit silly.