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 shasolenzabi wrote:
I am amused that they showcased a variant of the model, but used one that is obviously warped due to being taken out of the mold still too hot and not allowed to cool, settle, and hold a better shape, I had some deformed Tau devilfish like that, but 30 bucks per devilfish, and greenstuff, no need to complain.

Likely they will charge a lot more for that beast and I am sorry, but it is already ugly enough as sin for the insane overcharge it will likely have attached to be sold in such poor condition. Of course they are counting on enough little Timmies who won't know quality vs crap to help push the things, as well as some of the fanbase here who know better, but still drool over that abomination worthy only of Orkification (which would be my only reason for spending cash for it).

It will be $48US, $55AUD, 29GBP.

Funny enough the Volks in Kobe has restocked all the wheeled AFV kit section .

M.

So, are the Imperial Guard still getting a new codex? Or is it just this new stormtrooper supplement? I mean, I love the new models( yes, even the taurox) but if I don't get a new codex im gonna feel cheated...

Oh man, just saw the new pics and it made my day again.

So much fail in one truck. So much fail..

 BlackTemplar1 wrote:
So, are the Imperial Guard still getting a new codex? Or is it just this new stormtrooper supplement? I mean, I love the new models( yes, even the taurox) but if I don't get a new codex im gonna feel cheated...

"So we have a Codex Astra Militarum (better known as Imperial Guard), release probably second week.
Then a mail order only Codex Militarum Tempestus (better known as Stormtroops Supplement).
Stormtroopers (Command and "Scions")
Big Transport (Taurox for IG, Taurox Prime for Stormtroopers)
Ogryn/Bullgryn box (probably 3, Bullgryns armoured)
Hydra (anti-air tank)"

 ultimentra wrote:
Anyone else having deja-vu from the whole Centurion debacle? Everyone was like "Rah rah rah these are gak and terrible and made of AIDS and pig disgusting rah rah rah" when the pics first came out with terrible color schemes. Then when better pics came out people were like, "oh okay."

I think its a funny and interesting development.

Nope. the Centurians, the Taurox, the Stormtalen, and the Imperial Knight (Titan) are all still fugly models in my book. From day 1 to day 10,000.

I have to say, I was not keen when the pics were first leaked but having seen it from new angles and featuring more interesting paint jobs... I like it!

As for knocking centurions, as with the High Elf phoenix in my book, I'd go as far as to say they look great in person... yet pics never seem to do them justice?

Either that or I genuinely do have awful taste!

 GuardRalph wrote:
Hmmm, looks good. Like it so far, good twist on what we have seen before.

thanks friend.


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a quick paint job. would look much better IMO with an extra little tread in the center, then it won't look so top-heavy.

I'm an IG collector through and through. I love the look of the Scions and can't wait to pick some up and see what I can do with them.

The Taurox though...

I want to actually have the model in front of me because I'd like to judge if the turret would be suitable to kitbash a command variant Chimera. I can't at present see myself wanting to have a Taurox. It just doesn't look right.

 kronk wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Anyone else having deja-vu from the whole Centurion debacle? Everyone was like "Rah rah rah these are gak and terrible and made of AIDS and pig disgusting rah rah rah" when the pics first came out with terrible color schemes. Then when better pics came out people were like, "oh okay."

I think its a funny and interesting development.

Nope. the Centurians, the Taurox, the Stormtalen, and the Imperial Knight (Titan) are all still fugly models in my book. From day 1 to day 10,000.

Agreed on everything but the knight, here. The ugliest thing about the knight is the price tag in my opinion. And I'll add the stormraven to the list, too...even though funnily enough I actually kinda liked it at first, but grew to hate it after a while.

Not only do I still find the Taurox ugly, but judging from the examples they've deemed worthy of showcasing, I'd be really worried about the quality of that kit if I were about to fork out $50 for it because of all the warped parts I can see.

 Storm Shadow wrote:

 GuardRalph wrote:
Hmmm, looks good. Like it so far, good twist on what we have seen before.

thanks friend.


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a quick paint job. would look much better IMO with an extra little tread in the center, then it won't look so top-heavy.

Hmmm, strangely compelling.

Is there a reverse law of diminishing returns on silly looking tracks? There must be.......

Now someone paint that sucker white and put some Valhallans next to it.

The Taurox does not grow on me at all. It looks like a huge monster truck cab... doesn't matter if you put wheels on it or not and if you are doing that much converting anyway why not just get something else...

I would maybe use it for some paramilitary 40k thing like Arbites or as an Ash Wastes vehicle. Thank you GW for sparing my wallet, if you had come out with some sensible large tank transport (was hoping for something CRASSUS-like here) or a slightly larger tank to the Leman then I'd have no defense and have to get it...

The scions are kind of just okay. Of course out of all the plastic kits they could have done that people would have just eaten up like candy (greatcoats in particular) they have to do the one that nobody really cares or gives a feth about. I can see some uses for their bits though, especially those backpacks and guns. There are already a thousand third party heads in berets so that I really really don't care.

At 48$ this thing is not going to be huge from the pics it looks barely bigger then a chimera. Possibly only taller.

 Meade wrote:
The Taurox does not grow on me at all. It looks like a huge monster truck cab... doesn't matter if you put wheels on it or not and if you are doing that much converting anyway why not just get something else...

Depending on how the tracks attach, it could be a lot of work or it could be virtually nothing.

I would maybe use it for some paramilitary 40k thing like Arbites or as an Ash Wastes vehicle. Thank you GW for sparing my wallet, if you had come out with some sensible large tank transport (was hoping for something CRASSUS-like here) or a slightly larger tank to the Leman then I'd have no defense and have to get it...

Do you realize how big the Crassus actually is?
I mean, I love my Crassus but it is hardly conducive to being a "40k general" transport...plus what would you realistically use it to transport? A squad of 5 Ogryn would take up half its carrying capacity--that's it.

The scions are kind of just okay. Of course out of all the plastic kits they could have done that people would have just eaten up like candy (greatcoats in particular) they have to do the one that nobody really cares or gives a feth about. I can see some uses for their bits though, especially those backpacks and guns. There are already a thousand third party heads in berets so that I really really don't care.

Their goal isn't necessarily to do the kits that "people would eat up like candy", but to get rid of the need for them to still have metal/Finecast production.
Why do you think they did Ogryn and Stormtroopers?

Plus anyone who thinks that they were going to add a third plastic Troop choice (which would necessitate a third plastic Command Squad box and a third plastic Heavy Weapons Team box) was going to be disappointed anyways.


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 HisDivineShadow wrote:
At 48$ this thing is not going to be huge from the pics it looks barely bigger then a chimera. Possibly only taller.

It does in fact seem only to be taller, maybe slightly longer.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Depending on how the tracks attach, it could be a lot of work or it could be virtually nothing.

That is a good point. if there are pre-defined axles the wheels might go on easy.

Do you realize how big the Crassus actually is?
I mean, I love my Crassus but it is hardly conducive to being a "40k general" transport...plus what would you realistically use it to transport? A squad of 5 Ogryn would take up half its carrying capacity--that's it.

Sure, but riptides, knights, and wraithknights? I really meant something along the lines of the same aesthetic... an armored bunker type front with an assault ramp door in the front. A 20 man transport is very reasonable, especially when we are talking guard blobs.

Their goal isn't necessarily to do the kits that "people would eat up like candy", but to get rid of the need for them to still have metal/Finecast production.
Why do you think they did Ogryn and Stormtroopers?

Plus anyone who thinks that they were going to add a third plastic Troop choice (which would necessitate a third plastic Command Squad box and a third plastic Heavy Weapons Team box) was going to be disappointed anyways.

good point too... but in that case I would have been happier to buy plastic kasrkin then what they came out with, at least it goes with the Cadian aesthetic, but what they came out with is a medieval armor type that does not go well with a lot of the range outside inquisitorial stuff. Yes they have two plastic ranges but Catachans are hopelessly outdated. And the other troops do have metal command squads already, like Vostroyans and Steel Legion but also could be moved to plastic production. All they would need is a simple kit with options. I guess the ranges will just be dropped then? All I'm saying is I don't see the logic.

I'm hoping the scions are totally modular and not monoppose figures, so you can stick the arms and legs onto cadian bodies...That will make them almost exactly like the Kasrkin.

General Hobbs wrote:


I'm hoping the scions are totally modular and not monoppose figures, so you can stick the arms and legs onto cadian bodies...That will make them almost exactly like the Kasrkin.

That could be a saving grace of the box. Five full Scions and enough bits left over to convert some Cadian Grenadiers/ Kasrkin depending on what rules and options IG end up with.

The arms at least have got to be separate based on all the different builds on display in the pictures. Could be that the torsos and legs are all one piece, though. Even if they aren't, there'll probably be shenanigans with the side plates at waist level making the torsos not fit cadian legs / the legs not fit cadian torsos etc, so if you've got big plans for kitbashing them (I do) I'd wait and see the sprue pictures on friday on the GW site.

Probably took the Taurox look from this:

I was thinking that any truck-like vehicle with treads have it so it is narrower at the top than the bottom.
I really think that would improve the look.
It just seems strange to see all that tread and supports with so little support on the business end, it just looks pointless to use tracks and top-heavy.
Call-out to photoshop with the treads flipped?

 Meade wrote:

Do you realize how big the Crassus actually is?
I mean, I love my Crassus but it is hardly conducive to being a "40k general" transport...plus what would you realistically use it to transport? A squad of 5 Ogryn would take up half its carrying capacity--that's it.

Sure, but riptides, knights, and wraithknights? I really meant something along the lines of the same aesthetic... an armored bunker type front with an assault ramp door in the front. A 20 man transport is very reasonable, especially when we are talking guard blobs.

So basically, you want the Crassus but not a Crassus. I see...

Plus I really don't understand the fascination with assault ramps for Guard vehicles.

Their goal isn't necessarily to do the kits that "people would eat up like candy", but to get rid of the need for them to still have metal/Finecast production.
Why do you think they did Ogryn and Stormtroopers?

Plus anyone who thinks that they were going to add a third plastic Troop choice (which would necessitate a third plastic Command Squad box and a third plastic Heavy Weapons Team box) was going to be disappointed anyways.

good point too... but in that case I would have been happier to buy plastic kasrkin then what they came out with, at least it goes with the Cadian aesthetic, but what they came out with is a medieval armor type that does not go well with a lot of the range outside inquisitorial stuff.

Which was the point. They wanted something new that players wouldn't just be able to readily convert or buy cheap on the second hand market. Why do you think they added a new special weapon choice to the Scions in the form of the "volley hotshot lasgun"? Or the vox-operator, or the standard bearer?

As it stands now, depending on how the volley hotshot lasgun and how it can be distributed is I have earmarked 8 of my Kasrkin to be potentially converted with "volley" versions of the hotshot lasgun.

Yes they have two plastic ranges but Catachans are hopelessly outdated. And the other troops do have metal command squads already, like Vostroyans and Steel Legion but also could be moved to plastic production. All they would need is a simple kit with options. I guess the ranges will just be dropped then? All I'm saying is I don't see the logic.

The logic is that the other troops never really sold well, despite what people would have you believe. The fact that they still have metal versions in stock--and shipping within 24 hours no less, meaning they're not being cast up to order--kind of puts that to bed.

Those tonka trucks are so bad.

http://bailedemascarasnegras.blogspot.com.es/2014/03/reglas-de-taurox-y-tempestus-scion-de.html?m=1

Leaked rules pics

I got a copy of White Dwarf issue 9 at the local comic book store..

Taurox is 50 points, BS 3 11-10-10, HP3, Vehicle (transport), comes with a twin-linked autocannon, has a capacity of 10 men, has two fire points on each side of the hull and three access points. It's got access to all the usual vehicle upgrades, nothing new there.

Special rule: All-terrain APC (Re-roll all failed dangerous terrain tests)

Taurox Prime is 80 points, BS 4, 11-10-10, HP 3, Vehicle (Fast, transport), comes with a battle cannon (48", S7 AP4, heavy 1, blast) and a twin-linked hot-shot volley gun (24", S4 AP3, Salvo 2/4), same capacity and firing points. May replace battle cannon with gatling cannon (24" S4 AP- heavy 10) for 10 pts, missile launcher (frag & krak, heavy 2) at 20 pts and may swap the volley guns with a twin-linked autocannon for free.

Kit comes with two crew members and a full interior.

Storm trooper platoon is made up of one command squad and between one and three storm trooper squads.

Regular squads, stat-wise these guys are the same, five men for 70 pts, 12 pts per model, two men may swap their hellguns for the usual stuff or a volley gun at 10 pts. One guy may take a vox caster at 5 pts. The sergeant may take a power weapon (15 pts!) or power fist (25 pts!), plasma pistol (15 pts) or bolt pistol (free). Squads come with deep-strike and move through cover, special operations appears to be gone. They may take a Taurox or Chimera as a transport.

Command squad; Officer has I4(!), 2 wounds and Ld9, may take the same upgrades as the sergeant, same price. All models that have not been upgraded to specialists (medic = 15 pts, standard bearer = 10 pts, vox operator = 5 pts) may take a special weapon. Special rules are Clarion vox-net (Friendly units within 18" of the officer may use his Ld for any fear, morale or pinning tests) and Voice of Command (Officer is treated like a junior officer and may issue one order per turn with a radius of 12", no orders listed, though it references codex: IMPERIAL GUARD, so no new orders?).

Any real changes to Vox Casters?

Thank you for the rundown! I wouldn't worry about the orders. When the new book comes out, I expect to see new ones.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Any real changes to Vox Casters?

Bigger range.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Any real changes to Vox Casters?

Looks like a bigger range, but no real mention has been made.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Any real changes to Vox Casters?

Bigger range.

That's not a change to Vox-Casters, but seemingly a special rule associated with the Command Squad called "Clarion Vox-Net".

Unless Vox-Casters in general are getting Clarion Vox-Net.

Forgot to mention: The Clarion network only applies to squads in the same platoon.

I honestly can't conceive of why anyone would take this over a chimera. It's gonna get eaten alive.

Good to see IG still being mentioned tho.