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 Hulksmash wrote:
My assumption was for the codex supposedly coming out. I figured if they are the primary detachment they score. If they are actual troops in the codex that would be awesome but it's unlikely since then they'd be amazing allies. Imagine any of the other "Codexes" like Knights, LotD, or Inquisition being primary and counting as scoring and then adding these. I'm betting they are just Elite choices that score if primary. .

After the Knight 'codex', I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Stormtrooper book turns out to be just the Command Squad and the Stormtrooper squad, taken in platoons with no FOC chart.

I am laughing way too hard at this.

 BrookM wrote:
The sergeant may take a power weapon (15 pts!) or power fist (25 pts!)

I see GW still thinks that Guard have a place in HTH, and thus price their HTH weapons as though they were actually good at it.

 BrookM wrote:
Special rules are Clarion vox-net (Friendly units within 18" of the officer may use his Ld for any fear, morale or pinning tests)...

So in order to use the special radio network... you must be within shouting distance. Do they not understand how radios work?



All I see here are two problems the Guard have had since 3rd Ed that haven't been addressed.

Damn they really did a number on plasma pistols. Can't take two for gunslinger AND they got bumped to 15 points. Can't even just take a hullgun on Sarge anymore. Bloody hell. I guess the points drop is good enough.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The sergeant may take a power weapon (15 pts!) or power fist (25 pts!)

I see GW still thinks that Guard have a place in HTH, and thus price their HTH weapons as though they were actually good at it.

 BrookM wrote:
Special rules are Clarion vox-net (Friendly units within 18" of the officer may use his Ld for any fear, morale or pinning tests)...

So in order to use the special radio network... you must be within shouting distance. Do they not understand how radios work?



All I see here are two problems the Guard have had since 3rd Ed that haven't been addressed.

I agree with the "do they not understand how radios work" thing, but it looks like you do not actually have to buy a Vox-Caster in order to use the Clarion Vox-Net.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Spoiler:

 Storm Shadow wrote:

I am laughing way too hard at this.

Disapproval Dave looks very familiar.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Spoiler:

 Storm Shadow wrote:

I am laughing way too hard at this.

GO Joe! GI joe is there.... Gi joe....

No, no, no. It is YO Joe!

Pissed Patrick is my fav. I want a whole army of him.

 insaniak wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
My assumption was for the codex supposedly coming out. I figured if they are the primary detachment they score. If they are actual troops in the codex that would be awesome but it's unlikely since then they'd be amazing allies. Imagine any of the other "Codexes" like Knights, LotD, or Inquisition being primary and counting as scoring and then adding these. I'm betting they are just Elite choices that score if primary. .

After the Knight 'codex', I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Stormtrooper book turns out to be just the Command Squad and the Stormtrooper squad, taken in platoons with no FOC chart.

Well I would since they always have an FOC. It's just normally a very limited one and might only include a single slot multiple times like the Inquisition (HQ & Elite), Knight (Knight Force Org.), and LotD (Elite) Codexes. Also most of the rumors have them including the Ogryn units in the codex. Guess we'll just have to wait and see

 Hulksmash wrote:
Well I would since they always have an FOC.

Except when they don't... as in the Knights 'codex'.

I could be wrong but I thought I remembered the force org showing a symbol with 3 Knights on it. Maybe there wasn't one for the "Army" though. Lord knows I've been wrong before

Not that it needs an FOC when they are an army because they aren't an HQ, Elite, Troop, FA, or Heavy Support.....Kinda of unique instance.

Especially when the other two (one of which coming out after the Knight book) do have them. It's totally logical to deduce that units that are an elite choice wouldn't have some sort of FOC in the upcoming codex.

Wait. Doing it wrong...GW Dumb!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The sergeant may take a power weapon (15 pts!) or power fist (25 pts!)

I see GW still thinks that Guard have a place in HTH, and thus price their HTH weapons as though they were actually good at it.

It would be horrible if regular squad sergeants are also stuck with laspistols instead of lasguns. I mean, if space marine sergeants have bolters as standard kit, you'd think that the Astra Blah Blah would also allow this..

I've got a feeling my Elysians will be collecting dust on the shelf for another codex span, as their sergeants don't come with swords and pistols, but rather lasguns, like good lads. gak.

Next week also sees two reboxed units, both weapon teams in single team boxes:

Nicholas Sacco on the Bols Lounge wrote:So, it seems MILITARUM TEMPESTUS is only an expansion for the imperial guard and not the real imperial guard.. the codex (released the same week as direct only) will be only in english and it'll have only the extra unit seen in the wd photos and maybe something else.

MILITARUM TEMPESTUS TAUROX PRIME Plastic Box 38€
MILITARUM TEMPESTUS SCIONS Plastic Box 27€
WARHAMMER: VISIONS 3 (ENGLISH) 9€
ASTRA MILITARUM CADIAN HEAVY WEAPON Plastic Box 12.5€
ASTRA MILITARUM CATACHAN HEAVY WEAPON Plastic Box 12.5€
CODEX: MILITARUM TEMPESTUS Book (HB) 39€
ALTAR OF WAR Book (HB) 39€

BLACK LIBRARY
HORUS HERESY: SCARS (C-FORMAT) Novel 15.95€
HORUS HERESY: SCARS (AUDIOBOOK) Audio Book 35

Oh neat, they're bringing those back.


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 BrookM wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The sergeant may take a power weapon (15 pts!) or power fist (25 pts!)

I see GW still thinks that Guard have a place in HTH, and thus price their HTH weapons as though they were actually good at it.

It would be horrible if regular squad sergeants are also stuck with laspistols instead of lasguns. I mean, if space marine sergeants have bolters as standard kit, you'd think that the Astra Blah Blah would also allow this..

I've got a feeling my Elysians will be collecting dust on the shelf for another codex span, as their sergeants don't come with swords and pistols, but rather lasguns, like good lads. gak.

Yeah...last book, only Stormtrooper Sergeants had Hellguns. Looks like that option is gone now.

Although they have gone down in points, storm troopers got worse even at 12pts/model they only cost 1pt less than a tac marine, still dont score (unless the stormtrooper codex allows it) now only have ld7, and lost special operations, WS4, hotshot pistols, and CC weapons. thats still 130pts for 10 models with fire warrior stats and 18" range guns :/ and if the needlessly silly named sergeant dies from the firepower theyre bound to take before they can do anything, your elite choice is likely to run back the way it came. Also the models still dont stand up to the current metal storm troopers imo, far too cartoony. Oh and you only actually get 9 of those 18" guns firing since the sergeant lost his hellgun in his rise to ld9.

Also the taurox actually looks worse after more pictures, its like a concept that got abandoned from RA3 for being too cartoony. (not slating RA3, just saying that kind of art style has no place in 40k)

Aren't marines 14? Or did I remember that wrong.

Bobug wrote:
Although they have gone down in points, storm troopers got worse even at 12pts/model they only cost 1pt less than a tac marine, still dont score (unless the stormtrooper codex allows it) now only have ld7, and lost special operations, WS4, hotshot pistols, and CC weapons. thats still 130pts for 10 models with fire warrior stats and 18" range guns :/ and if the needlessly silly named seargent dies from the firepower theyre bound to take before they can do anything, your elite choice is likely to run back the way it came. Also the models still dont stand up to the current metal storm troopers imo, far too cartoony.

Take a look in your Codex: Imperial Guard again. The Stormtrooper statline(and the Stormtrooper Sergeant statline for that matter) is unchanged.

The Tempestor Prime(Junior Officer, only available in the Command Squad) is LD9 and can issue Orders...which could be a good thing or a bad thing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
..which could be a good thing or a bad thing.

Well, a good thing or an irrelevant thing; and given how good Orders are now, I like the odds of this being useful.

 BrookM wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
25 point power fists for Imperial Guard are as silly as 15 point plasma pistols for... anyone!

Both are 10 points too high.

Indeed, particularly in an Imperial Guard list when those extra 10pts here and there can be spent on lascannons elsewhere, etc. If you want your stormtroopers to have shiny swords, the option's there, but the smart thing is to stow that stuff and load them up with shootybang instead

Perhaps it's GW's way of bringing balance to an army full of low S, high AP weaponry?

The scribes of departemento gamus workshopus have forgotten to update their dataslate base following V6 edition change for some reason.
Imperial Guard is still recorded as an exceptionally strong force thanks to Chimera spam, Hydra spam and power blob platoons.
They will all get a nerf treatment, perhaps.

Why spending SM prices for CC weapons giving retaliating power to your platoons ? On STR:3 WS:3 squishy dudes ?
Absurd.
I get it, it's an incentive to take Ogryns, the new IG heroes of close combat !

 Kanluwen wrote:

Bobug wrote:
Although they have gone down in points, storm troopers got worse even at 12pts/model they only cost 1pt less than a tac marine, still dont score (unless the stormtrooper codex allows it) now only have ld7, and lost special operations, WS4, hotshot pistols, and CC weapons. thats still 130pts for 10 models with fire warrior stats and 18" range guns :/ and if the needlessly silly named seargent dies from the firepower theyre bound to take before they can do anything, your elite choice is likely to run back the way it came. Also the models still dont stand up to the current metal storm troopers imo, far too cartoony.

Take a look in your Codex: Imperial Guard again. The Stormtrooper statline(and the Stormtrooper Sergeant statline for that matter) is unchanged.

The Tempestor Prime(Junior Officer, only available in the Command Squad) is LD9 and can issue Orders...which could be a good thing or a bad thing.

hmm, i stand corrected, I guess statwise the officer has improved then! I thought the WD was getting at only the command squad seargimibob being able to issue orders?

Also, the Tempestor has Initiative 4, hopefully a sign of certain Guard characters, such as the commanding officer and the Lord Commissar receiving I4 as well. Yay, now we can hit as fast as certain faction troops!

 insaniak wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
My assumption was for the codex supposedly coming out. I figured if they are the primary detachment they score. If they are actual troops in the codex that would be awesome but it's unlikely since then they'd be amazing allies. Imagine any of the other "Codexes" like Knights, LotD, or Inquisition being primary and counting as scoring and then adding these. I'm betting they are just Elite choices that score if primary. .

After the Knight 'codex', I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Stormtrooper book turns out to be just the Command Squad and the Stormtrooper squad, taken in platoons with no FOC chart.

May god help our wallets...

alternate (converted) taurox option (100% GW bits 'n' kits)...

http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2013/11/imperial-guard-urban-assault-vehicle.html

I don't understand why storm troopers get their own codex. Does that mean they won't be present in the IG codex? Are they trying to piece meal every codex into new codexes with more fluff and less rules?!

Eventually we are going to get 100 page books with 90% fluff and some new special rule on the last page, along with the old repackaged rules.

Why doesn't GW get on the same page as privateer press and have many versions of named characters? I may jinx myself and come to learn its in the works in the form of data slates. god I hate dataslates. I want a card with the stats, not some pdf.

 tjnorwoo wrote:
I don't understand why storm troopers get their own codex. Does that mean they won't be present in the IG codex? Are they trying to piece meal every codex into new codexes with more fluff and less rules?!

Eventually we are going to get 100 page books with 90% fluff and some new special rule on the last page, along with the old repackaged rules.

Why doesn't GW get on the same page as privateer press and have many versions of named characters? I may jinx myself and come to learn its in the works in the form of data slates. god I hate dataslates. I want a card with the stats, not some pdf.

The WD scans clearly state the new Tempestus Scions are an elites choice in Codex: Imperial Guard.

And I'd rather have a PDF I can download as many times as I need it and keep on all my devices than one card I'd probably just lose

 tjnorwoo wrote:


Eventually we are going to get 100 page books with 90% fluff and some new special rule on the last page, along with the old repackaged rules.

Welcome back to 3rd Edition pamphlet codex - except they're charging you the FULL PRICE for the data sheet.



So those who got the Sisters update in the WD - you got a STEAL!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
alternate (converted) taurox option (100% GW bits 'n' kits)...

http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2013/11/imperial-guard-urban-assault-vehicle.html

Is it meant to be just one photo of a completed model from one angle? I don't really understand how that would be useful to anybody.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 tjnorwoo wrote:


Eventually we are going to get 100 page books with 90% fluff and some new special rule on the last page, along with the old repackaged rules.

Welcome back to 3rd Edition pamphlet codex - except they're charging you the FULL PRICE for the data sheet.

Also, that codex had double to triple the number of rules compared with recent full priced ones.

 tjnorwoo wrote:
I don't understand why storm troopers get their own codex.

"They'll buy what we make."