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 warboss wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 tjnorwoo wrote:


Eventually we are going to get 100 page books with 90% fluff and some new special rule on the last page, along with the old repackaged rules.

Welcome back to 3rd Edition pamphlet codex - except they're charging you the FULL PRICE for the data sheet.

Also, that codex had double to triple the number of rules compared with recent full priced ones.

Four army lists, each with either new units or special compositions, a bit of fluff and well, that's it. But I've got fond memories of this one and its successor: Eye of Terror.

I've got fond memories of it costing $12.

17,5 Guilders, back when that was still a currency.

While a return is rather unpossible, I did love those publications.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 tjnorwoo wrote:
I don't understand why storm troopers get their own codex.

"They'll buy what we make."

And now I know why I am the last of my friends to abandon GW. My budget has made me slighlty less concerned with price increases, but this is getting a little crazy even for me. Did someone say the codex was direct only too?

 chris13f wrote:
Posted the leaked rules here http://22ndvrrr.blogspot.com/

Wow. Those are just awful.

* Special "doctrine" abilities gone entirely. No more accurate deep striking, no more infiltrating.
* Melee weapons now priced at space marine point costs instead of the discount IG used to get to reflect their weaker stats.
* No more dual plasma pistols, one of the few good things 6th edition added.
* No more pistol + CCW.
* References C:IG for orders, which will probably be obsolete in a month. Has GW just set a new record for shortest time to make the printed rules useless?

This must be the reason for GW's secrecy policy: if people learn how bad the rules are nobody will ever buy them!

I rebember that 40k radio said that theyr was a commissar squad that was going to be release. Since so far they seem to have a 100 percent accuracy rate, i assumed they will be in the 3rd week of the release.

When players have shown a complete willingness to buy the fairly pointless supplements.. why would GW go back to providing quality books? I mean come on, why would you buy the LOTD book? All you need to do is look at the unit entry in Codex: Space Marines and then add in the Animus relic..done. Money saved!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Special rules are Clarion vox-net (Friendly units within 18" of the officer may use his Ld for any fear, morale or pinning tests)...

So in order to use the special radio network... you must be within shouting distance. Do they not understand how radios work?

All I see here are two problems the Guard have had since 3rd Ed that haven't been addressed.

From what I see, that clarion vox-net thingy comes with the command Squad as a standard thing, like frags and kraks; I suspect the vox-caster will merely be used for,yet again, re-rolling order rolls

and will sergeants be name..prime now?
EDIT: sorry, that's the ST officer; the sarge are called Tempestor..so Guardsmen sarge is now a...guardsmanor? guardsmanus?

I always find it weird that people complains about supplement price (especially for digital products), since we are in the 21st century, and it's pretty easy to get them way cheaper than the MSRP.

 Peregrine wrote:

 chris13f wrote:
Posted the leaked rules here http://22ndvrrr.blogspot.com/

* References C:IG for orders, which will probably be obsolete in a month. Has GW just set a new record for shortest time to make the printed rules useless?

This must be the reason for GW's secrecy policy: if people learn how bad the rules are nobody will ever buy them!

Those are the White Dwarf rules. The official release will most likely have Codex : IG replaced with codex : AM.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those are the White Dwarf rules. The official release will most likely have Codex : IG replaced with codex : AM.

IOW, don't buy WD for the rules because the rules will be obsolete as soon as the codex arrives. Good thing someone scanned the WD rules so nobody has to buy them.

I'm not worrying that much on Tempestus scions rules availability. They will certainly get a full page platoon description in "Astra Militarum" codex, like the WD one we have discovered today.
Sure, this places them on elite section, while they will be troops in their dedicated codex. So they will switch places like Crisis teams in Tau /vs/ Farsight Enclave codices, along with detachment specific rules (warlord traits & so on).

 tomjoad wrote:


Well, a good thing or an irrelevant thing; and given how good Orders are now, I like the odds of this being useful.

But he's only a Junior Officer, so he only knows the crappy orders of a standard platoon commander. No "Bring it Down!" and no "Get back in the Fight!. So basically... meh.

 Peregrine wrote:

 chris13f wrote:
Posted the leaked rules here http://22ndvrrr.blogspot.com/

Wow. Those are just awful.

* Special "doctrine" abilities gone entirely. No more accurate deep striking, no more infiltrating.
* Melee weapons now priced at space marine point costs instead of the discount IG used to get to reflect their weaker stats.
* No more dual plasma pistols, one of the few good things 6th edition added.
* No more pistol + CCW.
* References C:IG for orders, which will probably be obsolete in a month. Has GW just set a new record for shortest time to make the printed rules useless?

This must be the reason for GW's secrecy policy: if people learn how bad the rules are nobody will ever buy them!

The special doctrine abilities weren't needed in the first place and just inflated the cost. Scout/Infiltrate was rarely useful, the real reason people took Stormies was for the accurate deepstrike.

I'm not surprised you forgot to mention Inquisitors, despite the fact you trumpet them frequently (though I'd care to think that was the mandatory thing to point out and shove down people's throats of last month) since they give you accurate 1D6 deepstriking for 9 points, in the form of Servo Skulls.

Noone used the melee weapons unless you were a complete pillock. Dual plasma pistols was meh, not a great loss, and complaining about pistol/CCW being gone is frankly hilarious. You are aware these are S3, T3, I3 Guardsmen, not even in high numbers, right?

As for orders:

An article in the upcoming White Dwarf mentions that First Rank Second Rank Fire will be available for hot shot lasguns out of the upcoming Astra Militarum codex.

In addition the Miltarum Tempestus codex will contain 6 orders for Tempestor Primes to issue within a Militarum Tempestus Detachment.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/militarum-tempestus-orders-command.html

 Bull0 wrote:
And I'd rather have a PDF I can download as many times as I need it and keep on all my devices than one card I'd probably just lose

Why would it have to be one or the other?

Maxurugi wrote:
But he's only a Junior Officer, so he only knows the crappy orders of a standard platoon commander. No "Bring it Down!" and no "Get back in the Fight!. So basically... meh.

For now. Who knows what those orders will be when the real rules are released (for another $50). Maybe the next not-IG codex will give platoon commanders the "win game" order which says "you win the game, make some gun noises and fly your airplanes around the room and then go buy more Citadel™ Space™ Marines™".

Well, one thing I DID see, if those WD rules are based on the new Astra Miligalingaling codex,
Dozer-blades, Stubbers, Extra armour, camo nets are all 5 points cheaper...not much but it's something..sorta.

but even then, the loss of hot-shot psitols and basic CCW on the basic storm trooper is a bummer and rather odd; or will ALL guardsmen loose their CCW to push those ogryns sales?

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Well, one thing I DID see, if those WD rules are based on the new Astra Miligalingaling codex,
Dozer-blades, Stubbers, Extra armour, camo nets are all 5 points cheaper...not much but it's something..sorta.

but even then, the loss of hot-shot psitols and basic CCW on the basic storm trooper is a bummer and rather odd; or will ALL guardsmen loose their CCW to push those ogryns sales?

In the codex its cheaper by 10 points to give Leman Russes camo over the Artillery. I think they price it based on the vehicle itself over a flat price. Its more useful on artillery so its more expensive. Less useful on a fast light vehicle so cheaper.

 Swastakowey wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Well, one thing I DID see, if those WD rules are based on the new Astra Miligalingaling codex,
Dozer-blades, Stubbers, Extra armour, camo nets are all 5 points cheaper...not much but it's something..sorta.

but even then, the loss of hot-shot psitols and basic CCW on the basic storm trooper is a bummer and rather odd; or will ALL guardsmen loose their CCW to push those ogryns sales?

In the codex its cheaper by 10 points to give Leman Russes camo over the Artillery. I think they price it based on the vehicle itself over a flat price. Its more useful on artillery so its more expensive. Less useful on a fast light vehicle so cheaper.

I actually used the Hellhound/Sentinel to compare price; it seems it IS higher priced for the artillery..how odd.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The special doctrine abilities weren't needed in the first place and just inflated the cost. Scout/Infiltrate was rarely useful, the real reason people took Stormies was for the accurate deepstrike.

And now that accurate deep strike is gone. See the problem?

I'm not surprised you forgot to mention Inquisitors, despite the fact you trumpet them frequently (though I'd care to think that was the mandatory thing to point out and shove down people's throats of last month) since they give you accurate 1D6 deepstriking for 9 points, in the form of Servo Skulls.

As long as you aren't trying to do it within 6" of an enemy model to melta a tank. Which was the main thing storm troopers were used for.

Noone used the melee weapons unless you were a complete pillock. Dual plasma pistols was meh, not a great loss, and complaining about pistol/CCW being gone is frankly hilarious. You are aware these are S3, T3, I3 Guardsmen, not even in high numbers, right?

The point is that GW just took an option that was already too expensive and made it more expensive. This is undeniable proof that GW's rule authors have absolutely no clue what they're doing and don't make even a minimal attempt to keep things balanced. This is utter, inexcusable incompetence.

And yeah, dual plasma pistols weren't very good at winning games. But they were fun, they made some awesome models, and they were one of the few good rules that 6th edition added. Now that's gone for no apparent reason. I guess the idiot who wrote these rules didn't bother reading the 6th edition rulebook?

An article in the upcoming White Dwarf mentions that First Rank Second Rank Fire will be available for hot shot lasguns out of the upcoming Astra Militarum codex.

In addition the Miltarum Tempestus codex will contain 6 orders for Tempestor Primes to issue within a Militarum Tempestus Detachment.

Yep, that just confirms GW's strategy: buy WD for the rules, even though those rules aren't complete and you have to buy the rules again if you ever want to use them.

Hold on... people took Storm Troopers in the last Codex? Storm Troopers have never had good rules. Not since they first showed up in 2nd Ed.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Well, one thing I DID see, if those WD rules are based on the new Astra Miligalingaling codex,
Dozer-blades, Stubbers, Extra armour, camo nets are all 5 points cheaper...not much but it's something..sorta.

but even then, the loss of hot-shot psitols and basic CCW on the basic storm trooper is a bummer and rather odd; or will ALL guardsmen loose their CCW to push those ogryns sales?

In the codex its cheaper by 10 points to give Leman Russes camo over the Artillery. I think they price it based on the vehicle itself over a flat price. Its more useful on artillery so its more expensive. Less useful on a fast light vehicle so cheaper.

I actually used the Hellhound/Sentinel to compare price; it seems it IS higher priced for the artillery..how odd.

For a very long time I priced all my camo at 30 points because I never noticed that. Oh well. But yea so for the camo it may just be differently priced for different groups.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hold on... people took Storm Troopers in the last Codex? Storm Troopers have never had good rules. Not since they first showed up in 2nd Ed.

sadly, this is, and looks to continue to be, the unfortunate truth. They've been my favorites IG units for a very long time, but the only place it looks like they'll be largely useable is in DKoK AB lists, unless something magical happened to the Hotshot lasgun.

I mean I love Storm Troopers - I have over 60 of the damned things to make up my Inquisitorial army - but they've never been good. I never expected to do well with my Inquisitorial force (and never really have).

People shouldn't act surprised that these new Stormies are just as bad as the old ones (25 point power fists? These people do not understand the rules of their own game...).

 Bull0 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
alternate (converted) taurox option (100% GW bits 'n' kits)...

http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2013/11/imperial-guard-urban-assault-vehicle.html

Is it meant to be just one photo of a completed model from one angle? I don't really understand how that would be useful to anybody.

Wow, errr, your comment reminded me of Zoolander! LMFAO.

Dakkite: What is this? A picture of a converted model? How can we be expected to make a 3 dimensional model with a 2 dimensional picture? Use our brains?

Me: Uh, this is just a ...

Dakkite: I DON'T WANNA HEAR YOUR EXCUSES! The visual has to be completely blue printed out to scale with references to every bit that will be used! I can't be creative or think of anything myself!




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 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I've got fond memories of it costing $12.

Aaaaaaa, I rememberz back in my days when a bottle of cokee cola was a nickel.... aaaaaa (said in an old man's voice)....

What realy surprices me is that Scions that are supposed to be the elite don't have access to heavy flamers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean I love Storm Troopers - I have over 60 of the damned things to make up my Inquisitorial army - but they've never been good. I never expected to do well with my Inquisitorial force (and never really have).

People shouldn't act surprised that these new Stormies are just as bad as the old ones (25 point power fists? These people do not understand the rules of their own game...).

It was always fun to put a thunder hammer on a Inq. Stormie sergeant and have him fight something...could not be picked out as he was not an IC etc. Fun times when you could mob a Bloodthirster.

Taurox stats makes it less survivable than a Chimera! Pffft!

Loved the names give to the stormies

Too bad GW ignores the community and still goes thru with forcing such abominations on the folks they want to buy their gak from. I admit, the Knights are as close to the original shape of their old epic scale ones, more detailed of course, but 140bucks ain't happening!

Does a Taurox Even benefit from a dozer blade? I didn't think you could ever re roll a reroll.

I think it makes GW crazy sense to me...

White Dwarf A:
Step 1: Release MT Scions.
Step 2: Publish rules to use them with 'Codex: Imperial Guard' (Remember, the little Timmy's don't know of Codex: Astra Militarum)
Step 3: Little Timmy buys 15-25 MT Scions for an allied platoon.
Step 4: "Hey, now you've got those Scions, you know you can make an army out of them with this book here?
Step 5: Little Timmy buys Codex: Militarum Tempestus

White Dwarf B:
Step 6: Codex Astra Militarum is released.
Step 7: White Dwarf A is now low on stock. Codex: Imperial Guard no longer exists and therefore White Dwarf A is irrelevant.
Step 8: Little Timmy now has too many Scions he can reasonably use in a Codex Astra Militarum army. GW has sold notably more Scions to him (Plus a copy of White Dwarf A) than they would have bought otherwise if steps 1-7 were re-arranged in any order.