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 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
alternate (converted) taurox option (100% GW bits 'n' kits)...

http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2013/11/imperial-guard-urban-assault-vehicle.html

Is it meant to be just one photo of a completed model from one angle? I don't really understand how that would be useful to anybody.

Wow, errr, your comment reminded me of Zoolander! LMFAO.

Dakkite: What is this? A picture of a converted model? How can we be expected to make a 3 dimensional model with a 2 dimensional picture? Use our brains?

Me: Uh, this is just a ...

Dakkite: I DON'T WANNA HEAR YOUR EXCUSES! The visual has to be completely blue printed out to scale with references to every bit that will be used! I can't be creative or think of anything myself!

You don't have to be a knob about it, I was legitimately asking in case I was missing the link to the step by step, perhaps some in progress shots, or god forbid a component list or anything. Pardon me for living. Better top this off with some patronising bloody facepalms. LMFAO ben stiller movies LMFAO etc

Wow! err, your "comment" (post) was totally unnecessary and condescending! LMFAO. How am I supposed to respond to a legitimate question without being horrible? Use my brain? Derrr

Sounds like Little Timmy has too much money. Unless he has a compelling backstory the above scenario doesn't bother me.

 Compel wrote:
I think it makes GW crazy sense to me...

White Dwarf A:
Step 1: Release MT Scions.
Step 2: Publish rules to use them with 'Codex: Imperial Guard' (Remember, the little Timmy's don't know of Codex: Astra Militarum)
Step 3: Little Timmy buys 15-25 MT Scions for an allied platoon.
Step 4: "Hey, now you've got those Scions, you know you can make an army out of them with this book here?
Step 5: Little Timmy buys Codex: Militarum Tempestus

White Dwarf B:
Step 6: Codex Astra Militarum is released.
Step 7: White Dwarf A is now low on stock. Codex: Imperial Guard no longer exists and therefore White Dwarf A is irrelevant.
Step 8: Little Timmy now has too many Scions he can reasonably use in a Codex Astra Militarum army. GW has sold notably more Scions to him (Plus a copy of White Dwarf A) than they would have bought otherwise if steps 1-7 were re-arranged in any order.

Assuming he wants an AM army.
Why should it matter if he has more scions than he can use in an AM army anyway? He still has them for TM, Apoc and I doubt he would have enough scions to exceed the 2 FOC limit.

Don't underestimate the buying power of Little Timmy's mother's/fathers purse/wallet when s/he's out looking for daycare in the local town centre while out shopping.

And I was thinking, if he already had an Imperial Guard force.

I don't believe there's any way that's what's happening anyway. You're welcome to believe that until the AM book is out, but when you're proven wrong hopefully you'll come back here and cop to it. Serious tinfoil hat stuff there.

You're not convincing me. Is he trying to replace his absent parents with little plastic men? Does he have a secret brother in the attic that he hopes to play 40k with, but can't...until it's too late!
I need some pathos here.

 Compel wrote:
Don't underestimate the buying power of Little Timmy's mother's/fathers purse/wallet when s/he's out looking for daycare in the local town centre while out shopping.

And I was thinking, if he already had an Imperial Guard force.

Ah, but if he's going so far as to get a supplement that allows whole armies of scions, then would he not care he has scions in excess?
It would be like me complaining that I can't use 60+ deathmarks in a standard necron army when I bought a hypothetical deathmark supplement.

 Compel wrote:
I think it makes GW crazy sense to me.

Just as long as you only look at short-term sales to low-information kids, and ignore the damage that their policies are doing to the rest of the community. But that "strategy" seems to be pretty typical for GW lately.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Don't underestimate the buying power of Little Timmy's mother's/fathers purse/wallet when s/he's out looking for daycare in the local town centre while out shopping.

And I was thinking, if he already had an Imperial Guard force.

Ah, but if he's going so far as to get a supplement that allows whole armies of scions, then would he not care he has scions in excess?
It would be like me complaining that I can't use 60+ deathmarks in a standard necron army when I bought a hypothetical deathmark supplement.

Little Timmy is clearly an irrational sociopath. Piles of unassembled plastic is the only thing between him and a killing spree.
We should really be thanking GW for this important social service.

 plastictrees wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Don't underestimate the buying power of Little Timmy's mother's/fathers purse/wallet when s/he's out looking for daycare in the local town centre while out shopping.

And I was thinking, if he already had an Imperial Guard force.

Ah, but if he's going so far as to get a supplement that allows whole armies of scions, then would he not care he has scions in excess?
It would be like me complaining that I can't use 60+ deathmarks in a standard necron army when I bought a hypothetical deathmark supplement.

Little Timmy is clearly an irrational sociopath. Piles of unassembled plastic is the only thing between him and a killing spree.

Clearly, he buys the sets only for the spare heads, so he can make his own skull throne.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Assuming he wants an AM army.

Of course he will. That's why you have stores with people to sell the models instead of just a website, kids will always be interested in the shiny new thing that the friendly employee tells them will crush all of their friends (or is necessary to keep playing their army, if you want to be less honest about it).

I didn't mean to suggest that 'he' actually cared, however, 'he' would be less inclined to buy loads of scions and the supplement, if Codex: Astra Militarum came out first.

 plastictrees wrote:
You're not convincing me. Is he trying to replace his absent parents with little plastic men? Does he have a secret brother in the attic that he hopes to play 40k with, but can't...until it's too late!
I need some pathos here.

And that secret brother's name? Albert Einstein

 Compel wrote:
I think it makes GW crazy sense to me...

White Dwarf A:
Step 1: Release MT Scions.
Step 2: Publish rules to use them with 'Codex: Imperial Guard' (Remember, the little Timmy's don't know of Codex: Astra Militarum)
Step 3: Little Timmy buys 15-25 MT Scions for an allied platoon.
Step 4: "Hey, now you've got those Scions, you know you can make an army out of them with this book here?
Step 5: Little Timmy buys Codex: Militarum Tempestus

White Dwarf B:
Step 6: Codex Astra Militarum is released.
Step 7: White Dwarf A is now low on stock. Codex: Imperial Guard no longer exists and therefore White Dwarf A is irrelevant.
Step 8: Little Timmy now has too many Scions he can reasonably use in a Codex Astra Militarum army. GW has sold notably more Scions to him (Plus a copy of White Dwarf A) than they would have bought otherwise if steps 1-7 were re-arranged in any order.

"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
Ellen Ripley, Aliens

Does anyone really see the Taurox as a good buy/useful?
11/10/10. I can't get past those stats. I can't see me replacing all (Hell, any!) of my Chimera for the Taurox.
I've seen a few others comment similarly, but I also see people liking it.

 alarmingrick wrote:
Does anyone really see the Taurox as a good buy/useful?
11/10/10. I can't get past those stats. I can't see me replacing all (Hell, any!) of my Chimera for the Taurox.
I've seen a few others comment similarly, but I also see people liking it.

I think it partly depends on what they've done to the Chimera.

In a perfect world of rainbow and sunshine, the Chimera would remain unchanged, and have an autocannon turret option. Then the Taurox would be pretty much useless.

But with GW, we'll never know until we see it. Personally, it could shoot rapid fire Knight Titans and I wouldn't use it.

It's a rhino with 4 set of tracks, more bells and whistles and 20 points more.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I think it makes GW crazy sense to me...

White Dwarf A:
Step 1: Release MT Scions.
Step 2: Publish rules to use them with 'Codex: Imperial Guard' (Remember, the little Timmy's don't know of Codex: Astra Militarum)
Step 3: Little Timmy buys 15-25 MT Scions for an allied platoon.
Step 4: "Hey, now you've got those Scions, you know you can make an army out of them with this book here?
Step 5: Little Timmy buys Codex: Militarum Tempestus

White Dwarf B:
Step 6: Codex Astra Militarum is released.
Step 7: White Dwarf A is now low on stock. Codex: Imperial Guard no longer exists and therefore White Dwarf A is irrelevant.
Step 8: Little Timmy now has too many Scions he can reasonably use in a Codex Astra Militarum army. GW has sold notably more Scions to him (Plus a copy of White Dwarf A) than they would have bought otherwise if steps 1-7 were re-arranged in any order.

"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
Ellen Ripley, Aliens

No, but they appear to have dipped significantly now you're back.
azreal13, just then.

double post!

I think everyone is missing the more disturbing issue:

These are WD rules for a revamped unit that's going to be in the Astra Militarum Codex a week or two from the model release and the WD is still referencing Codex: Imperial Guard. To put it another way, this is a new unit for a new Codex that GW won't even admit exists, so are specifically referencing something that will be out of date a fortnight after this new unit hits store shelves.

I don't think their strategy is some sort of "Ha! Let's release rules and then invalidate them a week later!" (followed by several hours of moustache twirling), but I do think that their secrecy policy has reached insane levels when they're releasing new units for a Codex and won't even tell you the name of that Codex (or that a new Codex is even coming) and then go out of their way to reference the Codex that will be replaced by the new one instead of mentioning the new one.

General Hobbs wrote:
It was always fun to put a thunder hammer on a Inq. Stormie sergeant and have him fight something...could not be picked out as he was not an IC etc. Fun times when you could mob a Bloodthirster.

Did that. Even converted an officer model using a FW head and Coteaz's hammer. Not very useful but still loads of fun.

 azreal13 wrote:

Spoiler:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I think it makes GW crazy sense to me...

White Dwarf A:
Step 1: Release MT Scions.
Step 2: Publish rules to use them with 'Codex: Imperial Guard' (Remember, the little Timmy's don't know of Codex: Astra Militarum)
Step 3: Little Timmy buys 15-25 MT Scions for an allied platoon.
Step 4: "Hey, now you've got those Scions, you know you can make an army out of them with this book here?
Step 5: Little Timmy buys Codex: Militarum Tempestus

White Dwarf B:
Step 6: Codex Astra Militarum is released.
Step 7: White Dwarf A is now low on stock. Codex: Imperial Guard no longer exists and therefore White Dwarf A is irrelevant.
Step 8: Little Timmy now has too many Scions he can reasonably use in a Codex Astra Militarum army. GW has sold notably more Scions to him (Plus a copy of White Dwarf A) than they would have bought otherwise if steps 1-7 were re-arranged in any order.

"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
Ellen Ripley, Aliens

No, but they appear to have dipped significantly now you're back.
azreal13, just then.

Azreal13 wins an Exalt!

 alarmingrick wrote:
Does anyone really see the Taurox as a good buy/useful?
11/10/10. I can't get past those stats. I can't see me replacing all (Hell, any!) of my Chimera for the Taurox.
I've seen a few others comment similarly, but I also see people liking it.

I love light vehicles. I own one open topped Chimera and I dont even see those as worth my money. But the Taurox thing is amazing to me after I have seen more of it. Im gonna get one and some storm troopers just because I love light vehicles. Its fast, got a cool cannon on there that isnt too wacky in size and well yea. I like it. I also think it suits the storm trooper/inquisition. A small, fast and not very suspicious rover vehicle that has a fair amount of fire power.

I cant wait to get one. I dont buy GW products very often, but i am very excited about this vehicle. And the storm troopers. My scottish are currently acting as storm troopers at times, but I find their kilts flying up while they deep strike a bit too repulsive to keep them as storm troopers.

 Blacksails wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:
Does anyone really see the Taurox as a good buy/useful?
11/10/10. I can't get past those stats. I can't see me replacing all (Hell, any!) of my Chimera for the Taurox.
I've seen a few others comment similarly, but I also see people liking it.

I think it partly depends on what they've done to the Chimera.

In a perfect world of rainbow and sunshine, the Chimera would remain unchanged, and have an autocannon turret option. Then the Taurox would be pretty much useless.

But with GW, we'll never know until we see it. Personally, it could shoot rapid fire Knight Titans and I wouldn't use it.

I hope they don't do much, if anything. I doubt it'll get the AC option.

N/M.

 alarmingrick wrote:


I hope they don't do much, if anything. I doubt it'll get the AC option.

I doubt it too, but a man can dream.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:
Does anyone really see the Taurox as a good buy/useful?
11/10/10. I can't get past those stats. I can't see me replacing all (Hell, any!) of my Chimera for the Taurox.
I've seen a few others comment similarly, but I also see people liking it.

I love light vehicles. I own one open topped Chimera and I dont even see those as worth my money. But the Taurox thing is amazing to me after I have seen more of it. Im gonna get one and some storm troopers just because I love light vehicles. Its fast, got a cool cannon on there that isnt too wacky in size and well yea. I like it. I also think it suits the storm trooper/inquisition. A small, fast and not very suspicious rover vehicle that has a fair amount of fire power.

I cant wait to get one. I dont buy GW products very often, but i am very excited about this vehicle. And the storm troopers. My scottish are currently acting as storm troopers at times, but I find their kilts flying up while they deep strike a bit too repulsive to keep them as storm troopers.

I just don't see the being fast option as a reason to overlook the 11/10/10. Not picking on your likes, at all.

To me, ST's DSing in, or infiltrating in seem suited to their MO.

Yeah........., and I will let the conspiracy theorists continue with thinking GWs grand plan is a bait and switch of Scions/White Dwarf/Guard/Astra theory........ Okayyyyyyyyyyy (backs away slowly)....

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Assuming he wants an AM army.

You would have to be mad to not want an Adeptus Mechanicus army!

Wait... Stupid GW and giving things the same acronyms. )-:

Anyway, I really can't figure out why you would take a volley gun over a plasma gun in a squad. With an 18" range weapon on your infantry guns you are not going to be standing still to make use of the salvo rule, as everything will out range you. Plus, you can't use it fully after deepstriking. The only way that I can see myself taking one is if the codex gives an order granting relentless. That would actually be really nice, as you could double tap hot shots and then charge the remnants of a squad.

Guard by any other name is still guard.....

When I worked GW retail, kids would come in, do the demo, buy a starter set. Then they would come in and gravitate towards 2 armies: Marines, and Guard. We always tried to steer them away from Guard because you needed soooo many models and little Timmy's parents would start to get grumbly, and little Timmy would get upset that his army was smaller than little Tommy's, even though they had spent the same amount of money.

As for the release schedule, let me put this out: When I worked for Battlefront, we had a situation where a book was due to go out for shipping, and the boat from Turkey ( yeah, the book was published in Turkey, I kid you not), was late. The books came in the day before the shipping date.

Mayyyyybbbeee.....the reason for this release schedule is the book is late, either because of the publisher or shipper, and rather than have a no release weekend, they made the schedule as is. I can guarantee you that with both GW and Battlefront, we got goods in the week they were due ;to sell. Oftentimes they do not sit in a warehouse waiting to go on sale weeks before hand.....( though rumors have the scions being ready ages ago). They often arrive the week they are due too go out. In short, it is not a process.where goods come in, company sells to retailers, goods go out to retailers...it is often company sells to retailers, goods come in, goods then ship out.

I doubt the GW heads are that devious as to try and get sales and then nullify the purchases with different rules a week or two later.