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 Peregrine wrote:
TANK COMMANDER AS HQ + WARLORD TRAITS + TANK ORDERS.

GW, I might have just forgiven you for the Taurox. Don't screw this up.

Sally Forth:
The ordered vehicle squadron must move Flat Out. The squadron gains the Fear special rule.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Weird as it sounds, the cards would actually be reallty good for me. I completely forget about orders, so, this would help.

Me too. Those will be useful. I also forget about reserves unless I have them directly in front of me.

Peregrine wrote:TANK COMMANDER AS HQ + WARLORD TRAITS + TANK ORDERS.

GW, I might have just forgiven you for the Taurox. Don't screw this up.

I agree, even though I liked the Taurox. The idea of having a tank HQ leading my mech army is... exciting.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The only thing there even barely worthy of credit is "Storm Trooper kit" with "ton of optional bits".

Actually, I'd also give them credit for the Basilisk rumor. Obviously it's not an IG new release, but FW recently released this, which seems like a pretty good fit:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The only thing there even barely worthy of credit is "Storm Trooper kit" with "ton of optional bits".

Actually, I'd also give them credit for the Basilisk rumor. Obviously it's not an IG new release, but FW recently released this, which seems like a pretty good fit:

Up-armored is right, even the crew are heavily armored.

What army is in the pics next to the DKOK????

And no one knows where those heads are from????

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sally Forth:
The ordered vehicle squadron must move Flat Out. The squadron gains the Fear special rule.

Lol. This is probably not as bad a guess as I'd like it to be. FW did an amazing job with the ABG list's command tanks and special upgrades, but the orders seem like they were written by someone who hasn't ever played the game. You get a choice of "target has to re-roll cover saves" on a tank that slaughters everything without a cover save, or a 5+ save against melee attacks if you give up shooting. Tough choice there. Same with the warlord traits, sadly. Some are awesome, but then you have stuff like getting a bonus to flat out moves on a LRBT that can't move flat out.

General Hobbs wrote:
What army is in the pics next to the DKOK????

Valhallan Ice Warriors.

General Hobbs wrote:
And no one knows where those heads are from????

Cadian heads from the Command Squad sprue w/plastic rebreathers (from the same sprue).

General Hobbs wrote:


What army is in the pics next to the DKOK????

And no one knows where those heads are from????

Clockwise: Tallarn, Vostroyan, Valhallan

General Hobbs wrote:


What army is in the pics next to the DKOK????

And no one knows where those heads are from????

New, I think. Also, the body on that Commander. Maybe we will see new sprues in the Cadian Command and Infantry Squad boxes...

General Hobbs wrote:
What army is in the pics next to the DKOK????

Valhallans. One of the old (presumably) OOP metal armies GW used to make, so they're probably included just for fluff reasons.

General Hobbs wrote:


What army is in the pics next to the DKOK????

And no one knows where those heads are from????

The heads are from the Baneblade and Hellhound kit and the soldier next to the DKoK is a Valhallan.

But where is the body and the sword of the leftmost Commander on this picture from?

Rostere wrote:
But where is the body and the sword of the leftmost Commander on this picture from?

Also the Baneblade commander. Not sure if he still comes in the kit, but he used to come with it.

Those pictures are great! That hydra/wyvern kit is absolutely fantastic looking! I sound like a broken record, but man...what an awesome kit! I'll definitely be getting a few boxes.

 Happygrunt wrote:

Rostere wrote:
But where is the body and the sword of the leftmost Commander on this picture from?

Also the Baneblade commander. Not sure if he still comes in the kit, but he used to come with it.

Yeah, I see that now. Oh well, nothing to get excited about then.

Heafstaag wrote:
Those pictures are great! That hydra/wyvern kit is absolutely fantastic looking! I sound like a broken record, but man...what an awesome kit! I'll definitely be getting a few boxes.

I'm waiting to see the rules, if the Hydra gains Interceptor I'll grab a couple of them, I don't really want a tank that can do nothing BUT fire at aircraft. The Wyvern looks ok, but I'd rather spend the Heavy Support slot on a Colossus or two.

I'm hoping the Colossus doesn't get dropped from the codex.


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Anyone notice that the Wyvern is described as "filling the sky with flak", I wonder if it will have anti-air capabilities?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
Those pictures are great! That hydra/wyvern kit is absolutely fantastic looking! I sound like a broken record, but man...what an awesome kit! I'll definitely be getting a few boxes.

I'm waiting to see the rules, if the Hydra gains Interceptor I'll grab a couple of them, I don't really want a tank that can do nothing BUT fire at aircraft. The Wyvern looks ok, but I'd rather spend the Heavy Support slot on a Colossus or two.

I'm hoping the Colossus doesn't get dropped from the codex.


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Anyone notice that the Wyvern is described as "filling the sky with flak", I wonder if it will have anti-air capabilities?

I hope the colossus stays, too.

edit: Hydra's can shoot at skimmers and jetbikes just fine, which is helpful.

I see they're moving away from the old Cadian Kommando Khaki/Dark Angel Green camo pattern for their vehicles and the 2 tone Cadian colouring is also gone.

Also, anyone noticed the new uniforms for the Hydra/Wyvern crews? Is it just me or does anyone else got a feel that it closely resembles the old Guard mini with webbing and shoulder flak armour?

...but I think that Armoured Fist box will only be like the old chimera+10 troop box, with only a grenade launcher and a flamer as special weapon.

That new Cadian scheme is....wow, I think I may have to get my eyeballs some abuse counselling, it's horrifying.

Out of interest, do we know if the Storm Troopers can still take Chimeras, or are they limited to the MCRAP for transports?

Awesome sauce.

Heafstaag wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
Those pictures are great! That hydra/wyvern kit is absolutely fantastic looking! I sound like a broken record, but man...what an awesome kit! I'll definitely be getting a few boxes.

I'm waiting to see the rules, if the Hydra gains Interceptor I'll grab a couple of them, I don't really want a tank that can do nothing BUT fire at aircraft. The Wyvern looks ok, but I'd rather spend the Heavy Support slot on a Colossus or two.

I'm hoping the Colossus doesn't get dropped from the codex.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anyone notice that the Wyvern is described as "filling the sky with flak", I wonder if it will have anti-air capabilities?

I hope the colossus stays, too.

edit: Hydra's can shoot at skimmers and jetbikes just fine, which is helpful.

Only Skimmers, not Jetbikes. Skimmers, FMC's and Flyers is all it can shoot at with its full Bs.

 Yodhrin wrote:
That new Cadian scheme is....wow, I think I may have to get my eyeballs some abuse counselling, it's horrifying.

Out of interest, do we know if the Storm Troopers can still take Chimeras, or are they limited to the MCRAP for transports?

The White Dwarf listing lets them take Taurox Primes or Chimeras.

DEM ORDERS
DAT TANK COMMANDER
DAT EVERYTHING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
...but I think that Armoured Fist box will only be like the old chimera+10 troop box, with only a grenade launcher and a flamer as special weapon.

Yeah. It'll just be the regular Cadian sprue x2, so 10 guys, 2 flamers, 2 grenade launchers, 2 laspistols, 2 chainswords and a lot of Lasguns.

 Happygrunt wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


What army is in the pics next to the DKOK????

And no one knows where those heads are from????

The heads are from the Baneblade and Hellhound kit and the soldier next to the DKoK is a Valhallan.

The head on the tank commander body is from the Baneblade/Hellhound kit(pretty sure it's Baneblade though as that has the really big 'Commissar hat' with a bionic eye) but the other one is using the Cadian Command Squad.

It contains "respirator" bits that just go over top of the face.

Tank commanders is pretty good news, although I am uncertain what will become of my co-axial stubber. I guess that I will have to buy a useless stubber upgrade. The same with my hydras, which will need to purchase crew compartments. This goes against my usual philosophy of "minimal upgrades".

I am pretty interested in how the Militarum Tempestus book is going to work as an ally though. A tank commander force backed up by deepstriking stormies sounds like my idea of fun.

Cards are nice, going to grab 2 packs of them with the codex.
Glad to see the tank commander and tank warlord traits/orders.

Wyvern looks like it just leaves the Hydra barrel extensions off, so it may be easy to just run a pin to swap between the two.

Really like the new three-tone camo scheme for the tanks.

Why does this guard release have to come along at the same time FW shows off a ton of nice new AdMech goodies?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wyvern looks like it just leaves the Hydra barrel extensions off, so it may be easy to just run a pin to swap between the two.

I think the main challenge will be making it so the gun barrels don't look wonky. Even in the WD pics, some of the Hydra barrels aren't all aligned.

Things like that really get on my nerves, lol, I can't stand droopy gun barrels or can barrels that should be parallel but aren't.

Laughs, that Wyvern is a rather uninspired afterthought. "Just leave the long barrels off and let's call it a storm mortar or something."

 prowla wrote:
Laughs, that Wyvern is a rather uninspired afterthought. "Just leave the long barrels off and let's call it a storm mortar or something."

All the Guard tanks are lazy - just a different barrel and everything else is the same. Doesn't make them any less cool though.