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Part of me wants a IG force now...

Buttons wrote:
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Sir Bubbles wrote:
Anybody feel like speculating what we'll be getting in the new IG battleforce/army set?

Sure. My guess:
Cadian command squad
3x cadian troop squads
Cadian heavy Weapon squad
Sentinel
Chimaera
Leman Russ
~ $200

That is a really optimistic estimate. Odds are we will get 25 infantry in some combination and a light vehicle.

We already had that- the Battleforce for $120 with 20 troops, a command squad, heavy weapon squad, and sentinel. And the strike forces are designed sort of like the old megaforces, so I guessed based on the old battleforce, and added some logical additions- more infantry, a chimaera for the command squad, and a russ since IG is the tank army.
As for guessing at the price, besides the built in discount of the battleforce contents, Bumping the price to ~$200 and adding the Russ, Chimaera and troop squad works out to roughly a free chimaera, so similar proportion of discount to the other megaforces.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Buttons wrote:
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Sir Bubbles wrote:
Anybody feel like speculating what we'll be getting in the new IG battleforce/army set?

Sure. My guess:
Cadian command squad
3x cadian troop squads
Cadian heavy Weapon squad
Sentinel
Chimaera
Leman Russ
~ $200

That is a really optimistic estimate. Odds are we will get 25 infantry in some combination and a light vehicle.

We already had that- the Battleforce for $120 with 20 troops, a command squad, heavy weapon squad, and sentinel. And the strike forces are designed sort of like the old megaforces, so I guessed based on the old battleforce, and added some logical additions- more infantry, a chimaera for the command squad, and a russ since IG is the tank army.
As for guessing at the price, besides the built in discount of the battleforce contents, Bumping the price to ~$200 and adding the Russ, Chimaera and troop squad works out to roughly a free chimaera, so similar proportion of discount to the other megaforces.

Our current battleforce consists of 29 models, 25 infantry, a heavy weapon squad and a light vehicle, that is pretty much in line with what everyone except marines gets, Tau get 12 infantry, 3 stealth suits, 3 battlesuits, and a light transport, Eldar get 15 infantry, a vyper jetbike and a wave serpent. There is no way IG is going to get 35 infantry, a heavy weapon squad (they switched to individual heavy weapon teams they have them up for preorder already), a light vehicle, a transport, and a heavy vehicle. That's probably more generous than what marines get which is an IC, 35 infantry, a dreadnought and two different transports.

However if you are right and we will get some huge battleforce akin to the space marine strike force, it will probably be more like
2x Infantry squads
1x Command squad
1x Scion squad
1x Ogryn squad (if they are sold in groups of 3)
1x Sentinel
1x Taurox
1x Artillery or chimera

Buttons wrote:
Our current battleforce consists of 29 models, 25 infantry, a heavy weapon squad and a light vehicle, that is pretty much in line with what everyone except marines gets, Tau get 12 infantry, 3 stealth suits, 3 battlesuits, and a light transport, Eldar get 15 infantry, a vyper jetbike and a wave serpent. There is no way IG is going to get 35 infantry, a heavy weapon squad (they switched to individual heavy weapon teams they have them up for preorder already), a light vehicle, a transport, and a heavy vehicle. That's probably more generous than what marines get which is an IC, 35 infantry, a dreadnought and two different transports.

It seems GW may be pushing toward larger battleforces. The Tyranid one was $170US and contains 95 models.

I'd be happy with something like the Tyranid one. A couple of tanks and a bunch of infantry would make something similar to the Tyranid one (which is mostly termagants, hormagaunts and gargoyles).

If it's a big box of "ONE OF EVERYTHING!!" then I definitely won't be buying it. I have no need or desire for Sentinels or Scions or Tauroxen.

Just give me a crap load of infantry, a command squad, some heavy weapons and a tank or two.

Yes, because that joke hasn't been made before and is totally original

 Bobthehero wrote:
Yes, because that joke hasn't been made before and is totally original

I have no idea what you're talking about, please elaborate?

Whoops, forgot to update the thread before replying >.>

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Now this is a battle taxi!

Still a pre-production model, but not much longer.

I eagerly await spending money on one of these. I'll use it for inquisition. Or it will be a borrowed PDF transport, for a HQ squad.

Amazing how much better that model looks. GW has really gotten terrible at what they do.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Do we still think that there are two kits to reveal, a flyer and a new tank?

OK, call me crazy, but just about everyone agrees that even if they'd still dislike the Taurox in general, it would look much better with big chunky wheels, right? I look at that Dreamforge APC, and I think; "Hmm, nice chunky wheels, you know if you were to rework the centre of the hubcap so it looks less 'techy', they look like being just about the right size to replace the Taurox track units, and if you reworked the back end of the Taurox with a canvas/flackboard awning, it'd make a snazzy 'Cargo-6' troop truck. You know what else, if you lowered the APC chassis down to the point that the front wheel arch was enclosing two smaller wheels, then put another couple of pairs in the back, maybe rework the nose with a gothic grill and a suitably bizarro hood ornament, it'd make a pretty sweet armoured limo. I wonder how much one of each would cost...."

And thoughts like that are why I can't have nice things.

Will the Tempestus be able to be taken as a completely seperate detachment? Would I be able to have Templars primary, Carcharadons secondary and the Tempestus aswell?

Was wondering if they would look cool as steel legion scions since im basing m templars with armageddon stuff and since most of the army is solely close combat, would the scions make a handy little shooty squad to open things up? Dont wanna rush into spending £15 per box if they arent really useful.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
According to whispers I've been reading on other 40k sites, apparently this weekend we're going to get another 'big reveal' for Astra Miliarium/Imperian Guard in the form of a new never-before-seen tank.

I guess, it is called Wyvern

 Yodhrin wrote:
OK, call me crazy, but just about everyone agrees that even if they'd still dislike the Taurox in general, it would look much better with big chunky wheels, right? I look at that Dreamforge APC, and I think; "Hmm, nice chunky wheels, you know if you were to rework the centre of the hubcap so it looks less 'techy', they look like being just about the right size to replace the Taurox track units, and if you reworked the back end of the Taurox with a canvas/flackboard awning, it'd make a snazzy 'Cargo-6' troop truck. You know what else, if you lowered the APC chassis down to the point that the front wheel arch was enclosing two smaller wheels, then put another couple of pairs in the back, maybe rework the nose with a gothic grill and a suitably bizarro hood ornament, it'd make a pretty sweet armoured limo. I wonder how much one of each would cost...."

And thoughts like that are why I can't have nice things.

I agree, entirely. I don't see WHY this so-called 'all-terrain APC' has any extra benefit moving over terrain than all the other fully tracked vehicles in 40k because, in essence, the silly layout of the tracks (and the absolutely needless gap in the middle) would be more of a hindrance than a benefit. My version of the rules would be:

"Poor design. This vehicle re-rolls all successful Dangerous Terrain tests."

GW don't seem to understand the concept of propulsion. They think that having two sets of tracks LOOKS COOL therefore it CAN DRIVE OVER ANYTHING.

I do agree however, if it had chunky wheels - more on par with a monster truck - then it could potentially be saved as a thing. I think somebody mentioned earlier that even if it was a half-track, it would look better, and it would perhaps suit the rules more appropriately.

As it's neither, I just simply refuse to believe this is a thing. Yet another stupid GW invention to toss into the ugly/impossible stack. Chimeras all the way (they're more multi-terrain, they're amphibious)!

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Will the Tempestus be able to be taken as a completely seperate detachment? Would I be able to have Templars primary, Carcharadons secondary and the Tempestus aswell?

Was wondering if they would look cool as steel legion scions since im basing m templars with armageddon stuff and since most of the army is solely close combat, would the scions make a handy little shooty squad to open things up? Dont wanna rush into spending £15 per box if they arent really useful.

They're gonna be good suicide dropsquads. 5 men with 2 meltaguns, deepstrike and move through cover only cost in the region of 90pts.

 Cerebrium wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Will the Tempestus be able to be taken as a completely seperate detachment? Would I be able to have Templars primary, Carcharadons secondary and the Tempestus aswell?

Was wondering if they would look cool as steel legion scions since im basing m templars with armageddon stuff and since most of the army is solely close combat, would the scions make a handy little shooty squad to open things up? Dont wanna rush into spending £15 per box if they arent really useful.

They're gonna be good suicide dropsquads. 5 men with 2 meltaguns, deepstrike and move through cover only cost in the region of 90pts.

Ohhh sweet, thanks, so should be useful for popping the tanks fairly quickly, sold haha.

 LordotKasrkin wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

GW don't seem to understand the concept of propulsion. They think that having two sets of tracks LOOKS COOL therefore it CAN DRIVE OVER ANYTHING.

Well as this vehicle is a light truck it weigh less, that means it does not get bogged down as easy by its own weight as a tank would. I do not defend the looks of the vehicle but it could explain the all terrain rule.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Now this is a battle taxi!

Still a pre-production model, but not much longer.

I eagerly await spending money on one of these. I'll use it for inquisition. Or it will be a borrowed PDF transport, for a HQ squad.

THIS!!!! I keep checking the site everyday to see if we can buy yet...

 LordotKasrkin wrote:

I agree, entirely. I don't see WHY this so-called 'all-terrain APC' has any extra benefit moving over terrain than all the other fully tracked vehicles in 40k because, in essence, the silly layout of the tracks (and the absolutely needless gap in the middle) would be more of a hindrance than a benefit. My version of the rules would be:

"Poor design. This vehicle re-rolls all successful Dangerous Terrain tests."

GW don't seem to understand the concept of propulsion. They think that having two sets of tracks LOOKS COOL therefore it CAN DRIVE OVER ANYTHING.

I do agree however, if it had chunky wheels - more on par with a monster truck - then it could potentially be saved as a thing. I think somebody mentioned earlier that even if it was a half-track, it would look better, and it would perhaps suit the rules more appropriately.

As it's neither, I just simply refuse to believe this is a thing. Yet another stupid GW invention to toss into the ugly/impossible stack. Chimeras all the way (they're more multi-terrain, they're amphibious)!

Now, whether or not you agree it makes sense, the reason it gains the re-rolls is because the Taurox is equipped with mag plates (see the latest White Dwarf) that aid the vehicle. The plates are described as not being as powerful as the anti-grav flux capacitor plot device that allows Marine Landspeeders to fly.

Again, that explanation may not float your boat but the rule is not based purely on the four tracks.

alphaecho wrote:

 LordotKasrkin wrote:

I agree, entirely. I don't see WHY this so-called 'all-terrain APC' has any extra benefit moving over terrain than all the other fully tracked vehicles in 40k because, in essence, the silly layout of the tracks (and the absolutely needless gap in the middle) would be more of a hindrance than a benefit. My version of the rules would be:

"Poor design. This vehicle re-rolls all successful Dangerous Terrain tests."

GW don't seem to understand the concept of propulsion. They think that having two sets of tracks LOOKS COOL therefore it CAN DRIVE OVER ANYTHING.

I do agree however, if it had chunky wheels - more on par with a monster truck - then it could potentially be saved as a thing. I think somebody mentioned earlier that even if it was a half-track, it would look better, and it would perhaps suit the rules more appropriately.

As it's neither, I just simply refuse to believe this is a thing. Yet another stupid GW invention to toss into the ugly/impossible stack. Chimeras all the way (they're more multi-terrain, they're amphibious)!

Now, whether or not you agree it makes sense, the reason it gains the re-rolls is because the Taurox is equipped with mag plates (see the latest White Dwarf) that aid the vehicle. The plates are described as not being as powerful as the anti-grav flux capacitor plot device that allows Marine Landspeeders to fly.

Again, that explanation may not float your boat but the rule is not based purely on the four tracks.

Worst. Reason. Ever. Sounds like something an 4yo would come up with.

"Hey Timmy, that's a nice truck, it must be a rough ride over those rocks though!"
Timmy: "Nuh uh, it can float over them!!"

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

 LordotKasrkin wrote:

I agree, entirely. I don't see WHY this so-called 'all-terrain APC' has any extra benefit moving over terrain than all the other fully tracked vehicles in 40k because, in essence, the silly layout of the tracks (and the absolutely needless gap in the middle) would be more of a hindrance than a benefit. My version of the rules would be:

"Poor design. This vehicle re-rolls all successful Dangerous Terrain tests."

GW don't seem to understand the concept of propulsion. They think that having two sets of tracks LOOKS COOL therefore it CAN DRIVE OVER ANYTHING.

I do agree however, if it had chunky wheels - more on par with a monster truck - then it could potentially be saved as a thing. I think somebody mentioned earlier that even if it was a half-track, it would look better, and it would perhaps suit the rules more appropriately.

As it's neither, I just simply refuse to believe this is a thing. Yet another stupid GW invention to toss into the ugly/impossible stack. Chimeras all the way (they're more multi-terrain, they're amphibious)!

Now, whether or not you agree it makes sense, the reason it gains the re-rolls is because the Taurox is equipped with mag plates (see the latest White Dwarf) that aid the vehicle. The plates are described as not being as powerful as the anti-grav flux capacitor plot device that allows Marine Landspeeders to fly.

Again, that explanation may not float your boat but the rule is not based purely on the four tracks.

Worst. Reason. Ever. Sounds like something an 4yo would come up with.

"Hey Timmy, that's a nice truck, it must be a rough ride over those rocks though!"
Timmy: "Nuh uh, it can float over them!!"

I never said it was a good explanation.

alphaecho wrote:

 LordotKasrkin wrote:

I agree, entirely. I don't see WHY this so-called 'all-terrain APC' has any extra benefit moving over terrain than all the other fully tracked vehicles in 40k because, in essence, the silly layout of the tracks (and the absolutely needless gap in the middle) would be more of a hindrance than a benefit. My version of the rules would be:

"Poor design. This vehicle re-rolls all successful Dangerous Terrain tests."

GW don't seem to understand the concept of propulsion. They think that having two sets of tracks LOOKS COOL therefore it CAN DRIVE OVER ANYTHING.

I do agree however, if it had chunky wheels - more on par with a monster truck - then it could potentially be saved as a thing. I think somebody mentioned earlier that even if it was a half-track, it would look better, and it would perhaps suit the rules more appropriately.

As it's neither, I just simply refuse to believe this is a thing. Yet another stupid GW invention to toss into the ugly/impossible stack. Chimeras all the way (they're more multi-terrain, they're amphibious)!

Now, whether or not you agree it makes sense, the reason it gains the re-rolls is because the Taurox is equipped with mag plates (see the latest White Dwarf) that aid the vehicle. The plates are described as not being as powerful as the anti-grav flux capacitor plot device that allows Marine Landspeeders to fly.

Again, that explanation may not float your boat but the rule is not based purely on the four tracks.

sounds like GWs thinking....

And imo..its very obvious GW took Mark's APC and tried to 40k it up....very poorly.

The design cues are too similar. And Mark's design has been out there since his kickstarter. Plenty of time for them copy it. Just like they hate people doing to them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Zengu wrote:
Sorry if anyone else already asked but if the chimera is still around why was the Taurox even created?

Because "they'll buy what we make".

Funny the Chimera on paper and looks seems to be the better vehicle, so they just know we cannot resist a new model to buy so they are confident the Taurox would sell the Chimera into redundancy.
They think I cannot resist the new model: "Challenge Accepted".

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
And imo..its very obvious GW took Mark's APC and tried to 40k it up....very poorly.

The design cues are too similar. And Mark's design has been out there since his kickstarter. Plenty of time for them copy it. Just like they hate people doing to them.

Can you expand on the design cues?

Maybe both vehicles took their design cues from the same WWII German vehicle?

Y'know if you're looking for a good substitute for the Taurox the upcoming (when? I dunno) Judge Dredd Pat Wagon from Mongoose might be another good alternative.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
And imo..its very obvious GW took Mark's APC and tried to 40k it up....very poorly.

The design cues are too similar. And Mark's design has been out there since his kickstarter. Plenty of time for them copy it. Just like they hate people doing to them.

Design cues? One is based of a German halftrack, and the other a British artillery mover.

 Talizvar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Zengu wrote:
Sorry if anyone else already asked but if the chimera is still around why was the Taurox even created?

Because "they'll buy what we make".

Funny the Chimera on paper and looks seems to be the better vehicle, so they just know we cannot resist a new model to buy so they are confident the Taurox would sell the Chimera into redundancy.
They think I cannot resist the new model: "Challenge Accepted".

Chimeras always have, and always will have, a place in my Guard army (if you excuse the silly new gap-under-the-turret kit).

I can perhaps see why GW have wanted to introduce a new transport though, as some armies are entirely mounted in Chimeras and it's nice to have a bit more variation. But I don't think they've gone the correct way about it.

Saying that, I'm sure it'd be a pretty cool Wartrukk conversion.

 Zakiriel wrote:
Part of me wants a IG force now...

I have one I would be happy to sell now! This release has put the last nail in the coffin for me GW

 Leprousy wrote:

 Zakiriel wrote:
Part of me wants a IG force now...

I have one I would be happy to sell now! This release has put the last nail in the coffin for me GW

I bid $10.