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I think they have an insane latin scholar locked in the basement of GW headquarters and they just incoporate portions of his crazed screaming in the naming process.

 plastictrees wrote:
I think they have an insane latin scholar locked in the basement of GW headquarters and they just incoporate portions of his crazed screaming in the naming process.

Or they just plug an English trem into Google and go from there.

 Breotan wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
I think they have an insane latin scholar locked in the basement of GW headquarters and they just incoporate portions of his crazed screaming in the naming process.

Or they just plug an English trem into Google and go from there.

I'd put my money on that one more....

If you're going to bother with a complete makeover, you should be aiming to achieve something superior to what you already have. The old name of Commissariat might have been a misuse of the term(it was the organisation composed of Military Commissars, ie quartermasters and administrators, in 40K terms the Departmento Munitorum, as opposed to Political Commissars, which is what the 40K version is supposed to be), but it's still better than "Officio Prefectus", not least because "prefectus" is possibly the worst example of pseudolatin GW have yet devised(it's "praefectus", you dimwits, but I suppose using the one extra letter to make it vaguely correct would mean you're not special snowflakes anymore).

but Praefectus might get people thinking about praetorians and causing confusion, while Prefectus is prefects with a latin twist! (that one asked)

 Yodhrin wrote:
If you're going to bother with a complete makeover, you should be aiming to achieve something superior to what you already have. The old name of Commissariat might have been a misuse of the term(it was the organisation composed of Military Commissars, ie quartermasters and administrators, in 40K terms the Departmento Munitorum, as opposed to Political Commissars, which is what the 40K version is supposed to be), but it's still better than "Officio Prefectus", not least because "prefectus" is possibly the worst example of pseudolatin GW have yet devised(it's "praefectus", you dimwits, but I suppose using the one extra letter to make it vaguely correct would mean you're not special snowflakes anymore).

Maybe it is 'praefectus' (though probably not) rather than 'prefectus' and the person who typed up the rumour got it wrong.

And how can you correct someone on pseudolatin (your term for it) anyway?

 Breotan wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
I think they have an insane latin scholar locked in the basement of GW headquarters and they just incoporate portions of his crazed screaming in the naming process.

Or they just plug an English trem into Google and go from there.

Google translate just made latin available recently, so that sounds plausible. LOL

It is funny when people say that High Gothic should be proper Latin. It is supposed to be a corrupted form of Latin, after millennia of change.

 Trickstick wrote:
It is funny when people say that High Gothic should be proper Latin. It is supposed to be a corrupted form of Latin, after millennia of change.

I make it French in my 40k RPG games, always a fun thing to do...

 Trickstick wrote:
It is funny when people say that High Gothic should be proper Latin. It is supposed to be a corrupted form of Latin, after millennia of change.

Best represented by an insane latin scholar locked in your basement. Air. Tight. Theory.

Google Translate is a wonderful thing. It's helped me with pseudo-Latin quite a bit.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
It is funny when people say that High Gothic should be proper Latin. It is supposed to be a corrupted form of Latin, after millennia of change.

I make it French in my 40k RPG games, always a fun thing to do...

Never as fun when French is a language in your gaming group. I usually translate handouts on the fly because reading them in English out loud just sounds... wrong.

For all we know High Gothic could be debased German. Could be fun.

Well, I mostly use that on my online games with an all English-only player base. Works like a charm. Not to mention put ina French name and "Oh la la, there's a noble!"

A degenerate noble, no less!

I'd started doing japanese kanji on my vehicles instead of gothic letters and english names... until my wife started trying to correct my syntax and started asking waaaaayyyy too many questions.

I wrote out a proper reply, and then I realised there's no point, because if people are happy with "hurpa durp add "us" to the end and it's Latin enuf!" they're not going to listen to or care about the reasoning as to why that's daft. Enjoy playing your Weather Military Noble Sons in your Star Military army.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
A degenerate noble, no less!

I'd started doing japanese kanji on my vehicles instead of gothic letters and english names... until my wife started trying to correct my syntax and started asking waaaaayyyy too many questions.

Aye, it's always fun and games until my wife has to start throwing reality at me. I feel your pain....

 Yodhrin wrote:
I wrote out a proper reply, and then I realised there's no point, because if people are happy with "hurpa durp add "us" to the end and it's Latin enuf!" they're not going to listen to or care about the reasoning as to why that's daft. Enjoy playing your Weather Military Noble Sons in your Star Military army.

Its a name. Its not really a big deal. Content is all that matters really.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Leprousy wrote:

 Zakiriel wrote:
Part of me wants a IG force now...

I have one I would be happy to sell now! This release has put the last nail in the coffin for me GW

You haven't played with the stupid codex yet, hold your goddamn horses and quit with the Chicken Little routine. Just because you don't like the new models (or just the Taurox I guess) that doesn't mean you have to get rid of your other ones. Most of my army was sculpted in 1995 and is going to be as usable now as ever.

This!

To all the Doom and Gloom people: 40K is a game, GW can be as dickish and incompetent at writing rules as it wants but it's still a game and we control how we play it. Search for like minded people and adapt the game to your tastes and don't allow GW to dictate terms you dislike. You don't like the Taurox? Proxy it. The new ST are too gothic for you? Dreamforge has nice count as...
Almost my entire army is 3rd party and all my vehicles are converted WW2 plastic models, yeah it means I can't play in a GW shop but I never did before so I'm not real concerned about. Take the clever stance and play 40K, don't let 40K play you.

M.

I JUST went onto the GW website for the first time in about 4 months (haven't been playing) and almost laughed when I saw this. Dead serious when I saw that tank thing, I thought this was an April Fools joke. The actual troops look cool, though and called this into question, so here I am to verify. Wow, that tank....just wow. And the names...just wow.

 Bull0 wrote:
Well, Commissars were part of the Commissariat of the Departmento Munitorum before. So they did have a stupid mini office of sorts.

In some cases, such as this, I don't think it's deliberate renaming so much as the current crop of writers actually not knowing or giving enough of a feth to find out what things are already called.

But see, that name shows they are part of a MUCH larger organization and not their own branch.

I don't know, I just liked the old name.

abbazabba1920 wrote:
I JUST went onto the GW website for the first time in about 4 months (haven't been playing) and almost laughed when I saw this. Dead serious when I saw that tank thing, I thought this was an April Fools joke. The actual troops look cool, though and called this into question, so here I am to verify. Wow, that tank....just wow. And the names...just wow.

In the GrimDark future no gothic tank is ridiculous!

M.

So about that old rumor saying that Heavy Weapons Squads will go from 3 teams to 5 ( or 6 men to 10 however you wanna look at it, ) is there any other info around about this, or just that one little rumor?

I guess you could say it would be a little bit more likely at this point since they're coming out with a single HWT kit to help people transition their squads from 3 to 5, but it could just be there for the option of buying one team instead of a full squad. Hard to say.

If the rumor is true, what do you guys think about that? More bodies and more firepower could be a good thing, but it would also make the HWS a bigger target. I kind of hope it isn't true since I'm pretty comfortable with the 3 team size we got now, or at least an option to start at 3 and add 1 or 2 more if you desire.

 plastictrees wrote:
I think they have an insane latin scholar locked in the basement of GW headquarters and they just incoporate portions of his crazed screaming in the naming process.

Probably more like some shareholder's high school age latin student child.

Interesting point forgot about it. I usually don't use HWS, I put the teams inside IS for extra wounds and extra Ld so I wouldn't be affected. Still I don't think it's in the works, too many downsides (extra pts, bigger footprint)

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
Interesting point forgot about it. I usually don't use HWS, I put the teams inside IS for extra wounds and extra Ld so I wouldn't be affected. Still I don't think it's in the works, too many downsides (extra pts, bigger footprint)

M.

Yeah, and honestly that's what bugs me the most. Those 3 large bases already take up a decent bit of space.

Also I have a question I kind of want to ask about HWS/HWT but I don't know if it would warrant it's own thread and I don't really want to derail this one with tactics.

 Sir Bubbles wrote:
So about that old rumor saying that Heavy Weapons Squads will go from 3 teams to 5 ( or 6 men to 10 however you wanna look at it, ) is there any other info around about this, or just that one little rumor?

I guess you could say it would be a little bit more likely at this point since they're coming out with a single HWT kit to help people transition their squads from 3 to 5, but it could just be there for the option of buying one team instead of a full squad. Hard to say.

If the rumor is true, what do you guys think about that? More bodies and more firepower could be a good thing, but it would also make the HWS a bigger target. I kind of hope it isn't true since I'm pretty comfortable with the 3 team size we got now, or at least an option to start at 3 and add 1 or 2 more if you desire.

I heard the HWT will still be 3 guns, but with 10 guardsmen, so 3 HWT, and 6 loose guardsmen.

and frankly, I'll still buy a box of 3; more bang for your buck, and since I do have 3 HWT, I'll need only 2 box of 3 for 90$ instead of 6 individual ones for 120$

I could be wrong, but I think the supposed increase of HWT to 10 wounds wasn't necessarily that you'd get two additional HWT's for a squad, but rather if you fielded it you'd buy 10 guardsmen (10 wounds) and up to three teams (Six wounds of the squad's 10 total wounds) could be upgraded to HWT's, leaving you four 'ablative' wounds for the unit. No clue if there'd be a Sergeant in that squad or an option to add a voxcaster to it, though we can hope for both of those options for certain.

That's just how I interpreted it, however it very well could be that the squad can have five heavy weapon teams in it also. Who knows. Guess time will tell as usual.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

While extra wounds are nice, one of the benefits of the HWS as they are now is that you aren't "wasting" points on unnecessary guardsmen, like how Special Weapons Squads exist to give you an outlet of 3 specials & 3 grunts in a squad. Veteran Squads always outclassed them, but there was a pretty decent price difference too ( 3 meltas for 65 points in a SWS, 3 meltas in a Vet squad for 100 points).

And heck, if we end up getting Vets nerfed like some rumors suggest, SWS may end up seeing more use (assuming they aren't nerfed as well).

With how much is floating around with IG/AM at the moment, I think I'll just wait some white-dwarf pictures leaks. We're less than 2 weeks away now at this point, so our speculation is pretty short lived as is.

I will say the idea of 5 Heavy Weapons in a single squad would be a pretty beast unit to give certain orders to.

"Best armed and equipped"
He's using a club dammit.

Commissar looks nice though.