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I meant the model more than the rules. And yeah, it's an objectively bad model, heaps wrong with it as a piece of sculpting. I'm glad I've got all the metal ones, let's put it that way

rabidguineapig wrote:I'll throw this in here too, basically how it went down when I saw that rumor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

Given GW these days, I'm surprised there's not a shortcut for that video on dakka.

Bull0 wrote:Jesus, are they serious with that Commissar? I didn't care about the Taurox but that Commissar is objectively bad

I'm sure there's some sick puppies who like it.

UlrikDecado wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Jesus, are they serious with that Commissar? I didn't care about the Taurox but that Commissar is objectively bad

Depends. He gives autopass which is great. IC is also good. But you have to be careful in which unit he is attached...because "I see, Creed, you cant keep your men in line *BLAM*" is rather embarrasing... And "objectively"? Ahem...

I believe he was talking about the model rather than the rules.

 Bull0 wrote:
I meant the model more than the rules. And yeah, it's an objectively bad model, heaps wrong with it as a piece of sculpting. I'm glad I've got all the metal ones, let's put it that way

Oh, sorry mate My bad

And I agree, with my obsession on commisars, this one is definetly one of worst. I like his uniform, but the cap is simply ridiculously big and the sabre...strange.

I guess I'm in the minority. I like that commissars swashbuckling sword... I just don't take Commisars.

That commissar is rather awful. Sword is oversized and poorly designed, the hat is TOO big, even by 40k standards, and why does he need a chain as thick as his arm to hold a pistol? If he drops it, it's not exactly hard to find.

So very glad I have a FW DKOK commissar. I do hope the finecast Lord sticks around, though, I've been meaning to grab one for a while.

I want to see some better pictures of the Commissar before I make a judgment. I like the ridiculously huge hat, and the pistol on a chain is neat to me, if a little New Jersey. I think a lot of it might come down to the paintjob emphasizing some things too much, and the sash most definitely should be red instead that seafoam blueish green.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I want to see some better pictures of the Commissar before I make a judgment.

Someone has been taking their crazy pills!

I don't like the new Commisar's sword. It's not Imperial.
It doesn't even look baroque; it looks futuristic, like what a Tau or Eldar would use.

I don't see any issue with the new Commissar. Nothing out of the ordinary given the previous models. I think there is a little bit of nitpicking going on. That is my opinion though.

Sabre is fine, if you think it is ridiculous then I hope you have zero chainswords present in your army. The hat is over the top and that is fine. Large heavy chain = I'm tougher then you Troop so standfast.

As for the Taurox....that is a bit of a miss. Needed wheels, with those it would of been fine. Then it atleast could fit in with the Elysian buggy.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I don't see any issue with the new Commissar. Nothing out of the ordinary given the previous models. I think there is a little bit of nitpicking going on. That is my opinion though.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad model when considered in isolation, but when placed next to the existing commissar models and the FW commissar models, it by far looks the worst to me.

Sabre is fine, if you think it is ridiculous then I hope you have zero chainswords present in your army. The hat is over the top and that is fine. Large heavy chain = I'm tougher then you Troop so standfast.

Ridiculous or not, it just does not look good. It does not suit an Imperial and IMO it's ill-proportioned. The chain is just unnecessary bling. As someone who likes all the existing Commissar models, one of the appealing things is a simple, neat and mean looking aesthetic. I guess it's too much to ask modern day GW to do something cool and simple.

As for the Taurox....that is a bit of a miss. Needed wheels, with those it would of been fine. Then it atleast could fit in with the Elysian buggy.

There's a lot I don't like about the Taurox, but the biggest thing is the tracks.

Though the picture is small, the commissar looks like it could be converted into a cool pirate or trader.

Really though besides the sword its not thaaat bad.

the price will be im sure.

Marbo disappearing from the codex may bother some people. I understand, but do not care that much : he was an expensive wild card and extremely vulnerable to interceptor.
His miniature will find a very natural use as catachan sergeant or lieutenant. What worries me are the modification to commissars.


The new plastic commissar sword is strange, as is the miniature being redone. Even more strange because three dynamic and expressive alloy miniatures exist, plus the lord commissar (now in finecast), which are all recent sculpts (5 years).
But this problem is nothing compared to the rules themselves.
Sure, the basic commissar is cheaper at 25 points, however, power weapon price hike to 15 points will eat this rebate. On a blob platoon level, this tax will add to an uncomfortable level. Assuming blobs will still exist, of course...
Summary execution change is another blow to blob platoons reliability. Sure, while in contact, the potential of losing a power-weapon equipped sergeant has been brought on a lesser degree. But potentially losing laser cannon teams while trading shots from afar is bad news. And currently what is the most frequent case ? You shoot at each other of course. So shooty blobs may need to find another leadership booster. I hope the primaris psyker is still there as independent character and his valuable Ld:9.

The chain is an interesting bit, maybe a throwback to military provosts and policemen who also carry a sidearm with a cord or the like attached.

 BrookM wrote:
The chain is an interesting bit, maybe a throwback to military provosts and policemen who also carry a sidearm with a cord or the like attached.

I'm not really opposed to a chain, I'm opposed to a chain that has links as big as the palm of the model's hand, lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I don't see any issue with the new Commissar. Nothing out of the ordinary given the previous models. I think there is a little bit of nitpicking going on. That is my opinion though.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad model when considered in isolation, but when placed next to the existing commissar models and the FW commissar models, it by far looks the worst to me.

Sabre is fine, if you think it is ridiculous then I hope you have zero chainswords present in your army. The hat is over the top and that is fine. Large heavy chain = I'm tougher then you Troop so standfast.

Ridiculous or not, it just does not look good. It does not suit an Imperial and IMO it's ill-proportioned. The chain is just unnecessary bling. As someone who likes all the existing Commissar models, one of the appealing things is a simple, neat and mean looking aesthetic. I guess it's too much to ask modern day GW to do something cool and simple.

As for the Taurox....that is a bit of a miss. Needed wheels, with those it would of been fine. Then it atleast could fit in with the Elysian buggy.

There's a lot I don't like about the Taurox, but the biggest thing is the tracks.

Eh, the chain isn't that blingy. To me it looks like it's there so that the pistol is always on the commy's side, so it serves a practical purpose.
That sword is way too big and techy though. What happened to that nice powered sabre that commissars usually have?

The sword screams dark Eldar to me, and the rest of the model looks very Space Pirate-ey. I have a Commander Chenkov, and generic commissar, and a finecast Lord Commissar that I use as whatever I happen to be fielding so I don't see myself going near this new model.

When do preorders typically appear on GW website? I am on the West Coast (USA), and sometimes I would see them around 3 or 4 pm or so each Friday.... Is that standard?


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 rabidguineapig wrote:
The sword screams dark Eldar to me, and the rest of the model looks very Space Pirate-ey. I have a Commander Chenkov, and generic commissar, and a finecast Lord Commissar that I use as whatever I happen to be fielding so I don't see myself going near this new model.

Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors Power Sword to be more to the point.

I think Commissars look like they're getting a lot better, depending on how things shake out in the actual Guard codex. If Guard get a straight port of these Commissar rules, I think it's a big boost.

1.) They'll be independent characters
2.) They'll be 10 points cheaper if you like no PW commissars, 5 points cheaper if you took them with PWs.
3.) If it's the same Commissar entry for all Guard squads, that would open up powerfist Commissars for blobs.

The last one is probably a stretch, but 1&2 would be wins in any case.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
When do preorders typically appear on GW website? I am on the West Coast (USA), and sometimes I would see them around 3 or 4 pm or so each Friday.... Is that standard?


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 rabidguineapig wrote:
The sword screams dark Eldar to me, and the rest of the model looks very Space Pirate-ey. I have a Commander Chenkov, and generic commissar, and a finecast Lord Commissar that I use as whatever I happen to be fielding so I don't see myself going near this new model.

Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors Power Sword to be more to the point.

Yep, as I said. More Eldar than Imperial.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yep, as I said. More Eldar than Imperial.

You know who has had that kind of sword for a lot longer than DE/Eldar? Tallarn.


It's an updated/modern Tallarn power sword.

That's power sword?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That's power sword?

With the exception of the 'Tallarn Brawler' with knife and sword, the rest are power weapons. Look at the power packs on the back of the sword.

 pretre wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yep, as I said. More Eldar than Imperial.

You know who has had that kind of sword for a lot longer than DE/Eldar? Tallarn.

Spoiler:

It's an updated/modern Tallarn power sword.

It is close, however, Commissar & Dark Eldar are power swords & also they have these engine things on the back near hilt.... "Nothing new under the sun" as they say....

I didn't see it on the model you put up first because it was behind him. The pics you can see it though.

I'd completely agree if it wasn't for that last little flared out bit near the hilt on the sharpened side of the new Commissar's sword. That's what took it from Tallarn to Eldar IMO. If both sides of the blade were parallel from the hilt until it started to curve, it would be perfectly Imperial.

A double handed highlander power sword woulda been cool!

Not really, it's a Tallarn regular sword / long knife. The old OOP cadians had exactly the same sword.


For those disliking the new commissar, there is still a superb miniature with both options for a standard issue power sword and chain saw.
He carries a plasma pistol, but it's fairly easy to cut it and replace the end with the front of a plastic bolt pistol.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod1070037

Don't hesitate too long, because it may end up like for kasrkin / vs / scions. The old metal blisters being replaced by the new plastic kit as soon as preorders are launched.

 rabidguineapig wrote:
I'd completely agree if it wasn't for that last little flared out bit near the hilt on the sharpened side of the new Commissar's sword. That's what took it from Tallarn to Eldar IMO. If both sides of the blade were parallel from the hilt until it started to curve, it would be perfectly Imperial.

You mean like these?


There are TONS of power swords with flared bits over a recess near the hilt.

If that little spot where it dips back in had a little flared out wing on it then yes, but that's still way more imperial looking than the new one to me. Maybe it will look better when I see the new model from multiple angles, but it's just too Dark Eldar for me.

When you look at the Dark Eldar swords they get wider as they go down the blade and then one side dips back in before the hilt. That's how this new one looks and the tallarn swords aren't quite the same. I'm nit-picking like a at this point, but it's just that little difference that pushes it over from one to the other IMO.

Bear in mind that the Commissar's sash is overlapping the hand holding the power sword...it makes it look a lot more froofroo than it really seems to be.