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Wow did they seriously manage to make ogryns even worse? What the hell is wrong with GW? Do they not want to sell new models?

Very Bulky = DOA unit as you can only fit 3 in a Taurox.. and 40 or 45 pts per model without stubborn? I'm hoping there is a LOT missing.

Link to thread on 4chan, it's legit http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/31280354 (I shouldn't even have to tell you that it's NSFW, it's 4chan)

time for orders
>1-precision shot rule
>2-split fire
>3-additional shots with lasguns and hot shots
>4-can run after shooting
>5-use 3d6 to run, choose the higher
>6-pinning

orders for ancient officer only
>1-tank & monster hunters
>2-ignore covers
>3-unit regroups without problems

Tank and monster hunter, ignore cover, and get back in the fight.

So essentially, bring it down, Fire on my target, and Get back in the fight are intact, they have just been tweaked.

So I was definitely wrong about them going away, which is awesome. No explanation on how we get orders, but it seems like you have to buy them from the sound of it. Those orders definitely sound like they can make infantry a scarier thing to face now, if not the most competitive thing ever. A well played guard army making the most of their orders could possibly dish out a ton of punishment.

So it confirms pretty much all the other recent info we had on vendettas and the now-FW-only artillery. That one leaves me really disappointed.

Ogryns are also not very good, but can't say I didn't expect that one.

So, griffon, Medusa and coleuses are really gone. Looks like you need FW to play them now,

One the plus side, orders seem AWESOME! Can tanks issue orders to infantry?

Anyone copypaste the Ogryn info? Limited work access here.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Can tanks issue orders to infantry?

I would doubt it, the wording suggests that they can only be issued to the Tank Commanders Sqn.


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 plastictrees wrote:
Anyone copypaste the Ogryn info? Limited work access here.

Bullgryns
>Elite
>2 Bullgryn e 1 bone head
>ws4 bs3 str5 t5 w3 I2 A3 lds6 as4+
>+1A e +1lds for the bone head
>145 P.ti
>up to 7 more Bullgryns for 45 ppm
>can replase the gauntlet and plate shield with a power maul and a brute shield for 15 ppm
>carapace armour, grenade launcher gauntlet, krak grenades, plates shield.
>hammer of wrath, relentless, very bulky.
>Chimera or Taurox cas transport

>Ogryns
>2 Ogryns and 1 bone head
>130 P.ti
>same stats but as5+.
>flak armour,krak grenades,ripper guns.
>same special rules
>up to 7 more Ogryns for 40 ppm
>Chimera o Taurox as transport

They look pretty poor (LD 6...) for their cost.

Also, pask comes with the Warlord trait that allows him to pick one codex and give himself and his squadron preferred enemy against those units.

You can get a BS 4 Punisher with Rending, rerolls to hit, and rerolls against armor pen. And you could stick up to 2 Punishers with him packing the Preferred enemy rule as well. That's insane.

So Ogryns are still priced 40 points...
Valkyrie with useless hellstrike missiles going up +25 pts...

How can GW design team not learn from their mistakes to such a level ?

I think it's less the studio and more the beancounters at work here.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Also, pask comes with the Warlord trait that allows him to pick one codex and give himself and his squadron preferred enemy against those units.

You can get a BS 4 Punisher with Rending, rerolls to hit, and rerolls against armor pen. And you could stick up to 2 Punishers with him packing the Preferred enemy rule as well. That's insane.

The A-10 of the 41st millennium!

 BrookM wrote:
I think it's less the studio and more the beancounters at work here.

By making one of their new plastic kits have lackluster rules in order to...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Also, pask comes with the Warlord trait that allows him to pick one codex and give himself and his squadron preferred enemy against those units.

You can get a BS 4 Punisher with Rending, rerolls to hit, and rerolls against armor pen. And you could stick up to 2 Punishers with him packing the Preferred enemy rule as well. That's insane.

Yeah, that's why I refuse to believe it. I don't care what evidence is thrust upon me. My little heart can not take getting its hopes up so. It just sounds too awesome for words.

I bet that every IG / AM player is going to have Pask in their army now...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I bet that every IG / AM player is going to have Pask in their army now...

I'm still going to run pure infantry

 Ravajaxe wrote:
So Ogryns are still priced 40 points...
Valkyrie with useless hellstrike missiles going up +25 pts...

How can GW design team not learn from their mistakes to such a level ?

Depends on the stats of the shield...if it is walking ADL...it can be worth the points...

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Also, pask comes with the Warlord trait that allows him to pick one codex and give himself and his squadron preferred enemy against those units.

You can get a BS 4 Punisher with Rending, rerolls to hit, and rerolls against armor pen. And you could stick up to 2 Punishers with him packing the Preferred enemy rule as well. That's insane.

Yeah, that's why I refuse to believe it. I don't care what evidence is thrust upon me. My little heart can not take getting its hopes up so. It just sounds too awesome for words.

We havent seen his new cost yet.

I'm willing to bet that with rules that awesome, he's probably getting a decent sized price increase.

Even if he's stupidly expensive though, those rules mean I'd definitely field him every now and then for a laugh.

Also, the guy has stopped posting things. Apparently he doesn't have the book, he's just translating leaked pics he's found so far.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I bet that every IG / AM player is going to have Pask in their army now...

The CCS (assuming ancient officer refers to senior officers like company commanders) will get to issue twin-linked and ignores cover orders now though, which with heavy weapon teams will be brutal.

I'm going to wait to see the cost of Pask before I make a full judgement.

Pask and Inq for the win!!!!!!!!

Cant wait.... Maybe a valk with punisher cannon too.

 UlrikDecado wrote:

Depends on the stats of the shield...if it is walking ADL...it can be worth the points...

A power maul and 'brute shield' apparently costs 15 points and replaces the grenade launcher and riot shield so it must do something interesting.

 Paradigm wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Looks like Penal Squads are gone.

Good spot, and a shame. I always wanted to try and make those guys useful at some point, and hoped the new 'dex would make that possible. I also can't help feeling sorry for those few guys with PL armies.

this is actually why the data slates are a good idea,

if they dont already have it planned, a data slate for stuff like last chancers, penal troopers, that actually gives them a cohesive role and feel, is always possible.


I am one of those guys with a PL army too lol

Weren't Penal Legion squads one of unpopular choices from the last codex though? I've heard poor reception for them.

 UlrikDecado wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
So Ogryns are still priced 40 points...
Valkyrie with useless hellstrike missiles going up +25 pts...

How can GW design team not learn from their mistakes to such a level ?

Depends on the stats of the shield...if it is walking ADL...it can be worth the points...

I'm speaking of the old style regular ogryns with flak armor and ripper gun.
They were bad to the point of being unplayable in 3th - 4th
They got more resilient but freaking too expensive in 5th
They are still that bad in 6th

Some things never change...

So, Vendettas get a major nerf, Chimeras get a crippling nerf for no apparent reason, popular units and characters get removed entirely. And all we get is some ugly models that nobody wanted with rules that ensure they'll never see any real use. Why exactly is this book worth $50?


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Weren't Penal Legion squads one of unpopular choices from the last codex though? I've poor reception for them.

They weren't popular because their rules were pretty bad. This was an opportunity to improve their rules and make them worth taking, but I guess they're a victim of GW's idiotic "if we don't sell a kit with this exact name then we have to get rid of the rules" policy.

Perhaps, or maybe the designers just thought they were dead weight and were a superfluous choice.
What role could the PL have filled, that was already occupied by the other choices?

Also, chimeras just received a 10 points increase. How is that crippling? Crippling would be if they got a 10 point increase and had their AV reduced.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I don't buy it. Codex: Inquisition Chimeras didn't get a points increase. Why would these?

Yay, Inquisition can also purchase Valkyries for 100 points basic. That's the dubious advantage of having a copy/paste job for a codex

Also, any news on Commissar Yarrick? I didn't see anyone mention him yet....

Wow... 71 points for the same Chimera loadout as the 55 pts in the last codex. Just... wow. 40 pts more per Vendetta, more expensive power weapons, plasma pistols are 15 pts now instead of 10, apparently now we have to buy our orders... yeah... REAL excited for the new codex...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Also, chimeras just received a 10 points increase.

More than that, because you have to buy back the smoke and searchlight. It's a 29% increase in cost on a unit that was already struggling to justify its existence in the 6th edition world of fragile vehicles that automatically "pin" their passengers when hit, even if you disembark.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

>Bullgryns
>Elite
>2 Bullgryn e 1 bone head
>ws4 bs3 str5 t5 w3 I2 A3 lds6 as4+
>+1A e +1lds for the bone head
>145 P.ti
>up to 7 more Bullgryns for 45 ppm
>can replase the gauntlet and plate shield with a power maul and a brute shield for 15 ppm
>carapace armour, grenade launcher gauntlet, krak grenades, plates shield.
>hammer of wrath, relentless, very bulky.
>Chimera or Taurox cas transport

>Ogryns
>2 Ogryns and 1 bone head
>130 P.ti
>same stats but as5+.
>flak armour,krak grenades,ripper guns.
>same special rules
>up to 7 more Ogryns for 40 ppm
>Chimera o Taurox as transport

From /tg/

Looks like Ogryns are still garbage.

Damn GW with their "Shrinkage"

I was going to use the old fat 2ed Cadin Lieutenant with the shotgun as my Penal squad leader combined with Vic's penal models.

Also I can't believe that ripper gin Orgryns are the same as they were in 5th. Heck they might even be worse without stubborn. What the hell GW? Why do you hate the Orgyns so much? They haven't been worth fielding since 2ed

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I don't buy it. Codex: Inquisition Chimeras didn't get a points increase. Why would these?

Yay, Inquisition can also purchase Valkyries for 100 points basic. That's the dubious advantage of having a copy/paste job for a codex

Also, any news on Commissar Yarrick? I didn't see anyone mention him yet....

Oh yeah, he should be in the book. It would really suck if they were to just drop him....
Only to then release him in a $10 dataslate.