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chaos0xomega wrote:
Oh, I thought the bottom 3 might have been behind a guard/shroud to protect the fingers from overheating or whatever

Maybe the bottom three are the result of overheating

Edited by insaniak. Not an appropiate subject for levity.

It should make him immune to plasma death, lol.

I've always hated the "gets hot" rule. The stupidity in taking a weapon that has a 1 in 6 chance of failing or a 1 in 9 chance of killing you outright. I can see Orks doing it, any race with any sense of self preservation it's just stupid.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It should make him immune to plasma death, lol.

I've always hated the "gets hot" rule. The stupidity in taking a weapon that has a 1 in 6 chance of failing or a 1 in 9 chance of killing you outright. I can see Orks doing it, any race with any sense of self preservation it's just stupid.

I guess now that Chenkov is gone, sending in wave after wave of expendable Guardsmen is a thing of the past haha. Guardsmen are worthless, though I'm sure none of them volunteer to be the plasma guy.

Do bodyguards still exist, do they have any sort of challenge based mechanic?

 Lobukia wrote:
Do bodyguards still exist, do they have any sort of challenge based mechanic?

Nope, just Nork Deddog.

 BrookM wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Do bodyguards still exist, do they have any sort of challenge based mechanic?

Nope, just Nork Deddog.

Now that Look Out Sir! is a thing, I guess GW thought body guards were redundant. Having the option of adding bullet catchers to protect your warlord was nice, but que sera, sera and all that.

So, here's a question I have: If they're fielded as elite choices in the IG book, do scion command squads still issue the scion special orders?

Funny that the new commisar is a combo of characters lol. He literally is perfect as Al'rehem if you change that head. He has Strakens arm and Yaricks eye.... Man what is he the Deadpool of 40k

 blue_crystal wrote:
So, here's a question I have: If they're fielded as elite choices in the IG book, do scion command squads still issue the scion special orders?

Nope, they use the same orders as the rest of the Guard. The Scion doctrine orders are Militarum Tempestus codex only.

 blue_crystal wrote:
So, here's a question I have: If they're fielded as elite choices in the IG book, do scion command squads still issue the scion special orders?

I can't see anywhere saying they can use any orders other than those in the IG book.

Ah thanks, guess I'll run them as allies then. With the added bonus of them being troops.

So does anyone think that the tech priest will finally see play? I like the idea of the machine spirit ...I'm asking cause I really don't know the answer ;/

Why do people think Straken has been nerfed. Having a smaller bubble for his thing is a bit poor, and having to accept challenges can be bad, but he will kill things in challenges. But he gives relentless, the most under-rated USR in the game. Relentless means rapid-fire for weapons when you move and you can charge! More shots for guard = very good. Him nears heavy weapon squads, which will be able to move and fire. I mean i love relentless, it gives you so much tactical moving ability, and can allow you to be really aggressive.

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Why do people think Straken has been nerfed. Having a smaller bubble for his thing is a bit poor, and having to accept challenges can be bad, but he will kill things in challenges. But he gives relentless, the most under-rated USR in the game. Relentless means rapid-fire for weapons when you move and you can charge! More shots for guard = very good. Him nears heavy weapon squads, which will be able to move and fire. I mean i love relentless, it gives you so much tactical moving ability, and can allow you to be really aggressive.

Relentless is actually for the Warlord and his unit only, that's why it's not as good as it sounds..

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Why do people think Straken has been nerfed. Having a smaller bubble for his thing is a bit poor, and having to accept challenges can be bad, but he will kill things in challenges. But he gives relentless, the most under-rated USR in the game. Relentless means rapid-fire for weapons when you move and you can charge! More shots for guard = very good. Him nears heavy weapon squads, which will be able to move and fire. I mean i love relentless, it gives you so much tactical moving ability, and can allow you to be really aggressive.

Relentless is actually for the Warlord and his unit only, that's why it's not as good as it sounds..

It is also not as bad as everyone thinks too.
Straken, 2 Plasma Guns, 2 Sniper Rifles or a Las-Cannon out of a Chimeria or Taurox could be a good mobile Fire Base.

Edit: And I forgot Pie from the Sky

 Anpu42 wrote:

It is also not as bad as everyone thinks too.
Straken, 2 Plasma Guns, 2 Sniper Rifles or a Las-Cannon out of a Chimeria or Taurox could be a good mobile Fire Base.

Edit: And I forgot Pie from the Sky

The real problem is that he costs 130 points, so he's only really worth it for melee foot guard.

 blue_crystal wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

It is also not as bad as everyone thinks too.
Straken, 2 Plasma Guns, 2 Sniper Rifles or a Las-Cannon out of a Chimeria or Taurox could be a good mobile Fire Base.

Edit: And I forgot Pie from the Sky

The real problem is that he costs 130 points, so he's only really worth it for melee foot guard.

Thats how I have been runing him, with 3 Flamers and a Heavy Flamer out of Vendeta. I am going to rethink that now.

I think you guys are looking at this wrong. He is pricey which is disappointing. This doesn't change the fact that he is essentially one of the most powerful characters in the game. Anything without eternal warrior and below T6 will be slaughtered. Against high toughness MC, he has his veterans to absorb attacks. While he wails away rerolling to hit. You can add a priest and a medic for cheap that will reroll close combat saves and give him a FNP roll. Now his veterans have 3 rolls to make a +5 against AP - For his price that is a steal. Any unit in another codex like a Chapter Master or a Chaos Lord plus a squad is going to cost similar and will lose to Straken. Daemon prine? Dead Carnifex? Dead

A few units are going to be trouble, like a Hive Tryant or Drago. However, it is still very possible to win with Straken.

You can also use orders and give his bubble buff. His bubble lets him still absorb a charge and not drop down to 2 smash attacks. He doesn't need FC. He still works great in mech and air cav. All he needs is lots of guardsmen near by.

piemasters wrote:
I think you guys are looking at this wrong. He is pricey which is disappointing. This doesn't change the fact that he is essentially one of the most powerful characters in the game. Anything without eternal warrior and below T6 will be slaughtered. Against high toughness MC, he has his veterans to absorb attacks. While he wails away rerolling to hit. You can add a priest and a medic for cheap that will reroll close combat saves and give him a FNP roll. Now his veterans have 3 rolls to make a +5 against AP - For his price that is a steal. Any unit in another codex like a Chapter Master or a Chaos Lord plus a squad is going to cost similar and will lose to Straken. Daemon price? Dead Carnifex? Dead

A few units are going to be trouble, like a Hive Tryant or Drago. However, it is still very possible to win with Straken.

You can also use orders and give his bubble buff. His bubble means lets him still absorb a charge even with a bonus. He doesn't need FC. He still works great in mech and air cav. All he needs is lots of guardsmen near by.

With all of that and the relentless Pie in the Sky, he is comming close to replacing Creed/Kell as my go to. I will just have to go to the Valk to squeeze in Nork.

Doesnt Straken have Initiative 1 because his weapon is now a power fist or something?

Dunno if I'm late to the party, but, pre-orders for Ogryns, Cadian/Catachan Defense Forces and the new Commissar have all been posted on their site now. As well as the Hammer of Cadia and an entire regiment.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?Nao=0&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102352+4294967192&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table

No he just has smash at str 6. This makes his smash attack Str 10 AP 2. His weapon is a CCW so he hit his smash at INT 3.

So, by my very rough count...

The Cadian 92nd Regiment is less than 3500-ish points, for £1000.

And that's including the Baneblade.

Reduction of Straken's buff range from 12" to 6" is huge, especially when you consider that consolidation moves will easily move a buffed squad out of range. I don't know why people think he's that powerful. He's as tough as a Marine captain, and those die all the time. He leads a squad so small and squishy that any weapon upgrades are just more points to give your opponent. If this were 5th, with 5th Chimeras, he'd be good because you could get relentless heavy weapons driving around buffing from a Chimera hull, then get out and assault something. As it is, his squad will get shot down, then he will with his 3 T4 3+ save wounds.

He'll kill a Chaos lord in combat... that's why he's good

 Sir Bubbles wrote:
Dunno if I'm late to the party, but, pre-orders for Ogryns, Cadian/Catachan Defense Forces and the new Commissar have all been posted on their site now. As well as the Hammer of Cadia and an entire regiment.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?Nao=0&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102352+4294967192&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table

Y'know..now that I see the sprue, you can actually equip that Commissar with either a bolt pistol (a fancy one to double as the relic I'd reckon) or a plasma pistol, it's actually something I just might buy...I mean it does have actual choice in terms of equipment, raher than being a single model with no option for 21$..

Biophysical wrote:
Reduction of Straken's buff range from 12" to 6" is huge, especially when you consider that consolidation moves will easily move a buffed squad out of range. I don't know why people think he's that powerful. He's as tough as a Marine captain, and those die all the time. He leads a squad so small and squishy that any weapon upgrades are just more points to give your opponent. If this were 5th, with 5th Chimeras, he'd be good because you could get relentless heavy weapons driving around buffing from a Chimera hull, then get out and assault something. As it is, his squad will get shot down, then he will with his 3 T4 3+ save wounds.

The Chimera thing is the same, you drive around with a lascannon and a MOO destroying everything. Then get out put prescience on him give yourself the split fire order and Arty strike one target while pasting another with lascannon and sniper shots. Then charge or get charged because it doesn't matter. His stats are the same. He also should never be alone so you should be using buffer squads to both protect from unwanted charges and eating overwatch.

The reduction is pretty bad, but it is not a death sentence. Once you are in that range, the importance of his buff should have passed. As you stated he is a tough as a space marine captain, but he is also priced as such. There are a lot of new bells and whistles guard players can take that make him more effective. In addition, this is the guard book and we don't have any units that look like this. (ogryns are still bad and bullgryns look kind of weak too).

 Compel wrote:
So, by my very rough count...

The Cadian 92nd Regiment is less than 3500-ish points, for £1000.

And that's including the Baneblade.

On a plus point, £66 saving if you go for the Hammer of Cadia.

 Compel wrote:
So, by my very rough count...

The Cadian 92nd Regiment is less than 3500-ish points, for £1000.

And that's including the Baneblade.

So now a "regiment" is two platoons, plus some support vehicles from an entirely different branch.

Oh, GW, hire someone who knows what they're talking about, please.


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Huh. The Hammer of Cadia bundle is actually a pretty decent deal, if you have a use for all of those tanks. $107 in savings over buying them separately.

Now, can I afford it right at this moment, that's the question.