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I really think that we will see orks have one of the bigger releases and the closest thing we have seen to an overhaul since eldar/tau.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

Bal4eva wrote:
I want them to add Roks as a dedicated transport like a drop pod.

Good luck with that... CSM still dont have our ones...

Its my understanding that CSM dont require drop pods... travelling through the warp is so much more efficient.. and infact requires no model to show it.

Orks already had a 'green tide' set too, an apoc formation set. 100boyz and a warboss... its gone now, there was also 3 battle wagons, 3 bombers, stompa, deff dreads & kans... I guess they didnt sell too many of those bundles tbh.

I am sure they will pop back up when the new codex releases. They are probably not selling too many ork anythings from a codex that is from 08...

... I bought an Ork Bomber just last week .... I dont really play the game though if I'm honest. I'm about half way through collecting my orks... won't be buying anything in finecast, so whatever they replace from those sets would be great news for me.
I'l even buy the book... despite not playing the game I likes the pictures xD and stories. (although the codex books are not quite as thick with those as they once were)

HairySticks wrote:
... I bought an Ork Bomber just last week .... I dont really play the game though if I'm honest. I'm about half way through collecting my orks... won't be buying anything in finecast, so whatever they replace from those sets would be great news for me.
I'l even buy the book... despite not playing the game I likes the pictures xD and stories. (although the codex books are not quite as thick with those as they once were)

oh man I'm pretty much in the same place. I love my Orks even though i hate 40k (the GAME not the setting) and GW

 Disarray wrote:

HairySticks wrote:
... I bought an Ork Bomber just last week .... I dont really play the game though if I'm honest. I'm about half way through collecting my orks... won't be buying anything in finecast, so whatever they replace from those sets would be great news for me.
I'l even buy the book... despite not playing the game I likes the pictures xD and stories. (although the codex books are not quite as thick with those as they once were)

oh man I'm pretty much in the same place. I love my Orks even though i hate 40k (the GAME not the setting) and GW

Yep. Me too. Great art direction, excellent models, fun lore, all wrapped up in one complete frackup of a game and company.

 Grimskul wrote:
Especially since even codex wise they seem to be more focussed on tweaks on rules than entire overhauls like they did with Dark Eldar and Necrons.

Daemons got a pretty radical codex overhaul, didn't they?

Dark Angels seemed to be significantly different too.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Especially since even codex wise they seem to be more focussed on tweaks on rules than entire overhauls like they did with Dark Eldar and Necrons.

Daemons got a pretty radical codex overhaul, didn't they?

Dark Angels seemed to be significantly different too.

Looking at the various rumors for over the last year or so, I think the new Ork codex could be a big wave. Not just Ork rumors, but rumors of stuff that didn't pan out for IG could turn up in an Ork wave. Take a look at the Taurox. Remember when the SOB were rumored to be getting a new tank, and a flyer? Now imagine getting a glimpse of the DA flying shrine, and a Taurox with its fleurs de lis on the tracks. I don't think Orks will get the DE treatment, but look at the IG kits that were redone with the 5th Ed codex. 2 Dual chimera kits, 2 dual LRBT 2 dual artillery kits.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Not just Ork rumors, but rumors of stuff that didn't pan out for IG could turn up in an Ork wave. Take a look at the Taurox. Remember when the SOB were rumored to be getting a new tank, and a flyer? Now imagine getting a glimpse of the DA flying shrine, and a Taurox with its fleurs de lis on the tracks.

I think a far more likely explanation is that those rumours were simply from bad sources who made stuff up.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
I don't think Orks will get the DE treatment, but look at the IG kits that were redone with the 5th Ed codex. 2 Dual chimera kits, 2 dual LRBT 2 dual artillery kits.

As I recall....

Chimera
Hellhound/Banewolf/Devil-dog
Leman Russ Battle Tank/Vanquisher/Exterminator/Eradicator
Leman Russ Demolisher/Executioner/Punisher
Manticore/Deathstrike

...what was the other artillery?

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Not just Ork rumors, but rumors of stuff that didn't pan out for IG could turn up in an Ork wave. Take a look at the Taurox. Remember when the SOB were rumored to be getting a new tank, and a flyer? Now imagine getting a glimpse of the DA flying shrine, and a Taurox with its fleurs de lis on the tracks.

I think a far more likely explanation is that those rumours were simply from bad sources who made stuff up.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
I don't think Orks will get the DE treatment, but look at the IG kits that were redone with the 5th Ed codex. 2 Dual chimera kits, 2 dual LRBT 2 dual artillery kits.

As I recall....

Chimera
Hellhound/Banewolf/Devil-dog
Leman Russ Battle Tank/Vanquisher/Exterminator/Eradicator
Leman Russ Demolisher/Executioner/Punisher
Manticore/Deathstrike

...what was the other artillery?

Doh, should have been one dual arty and a bane blade redo.

Bikes are going to fall in price. Look at how good gjb/wind riders are and how low their price is. SM bikes are also cheap.

GW wants to sell bikes.

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that ork bikes will cost less than guardian jetbikes. Guardian to GJB is an 88.8% price increase. SM to SM bike is a 50% price increase. At those ratios ork boys on a bike should be between 9 and 12 points.

I also have a gut feeling that a HQ on bikes will make bikes troops.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Bikes are going to fall in price. Look at how good gjb/wind riders are and how low their price is. SM bikes are also cheap.

GW wants to sell bikes.

And they allready do. Bikes are among the units that actually work quite well and thus are sought after. I think their sales are pretty nice, compared to other units.

 schadenfreude wrote:
I also have a gut feeling that a HQ on bikes will make bikes troops.

Like... Wazzdakka, who's feared to be discontinued?

If that is the case, then bikes will become extremely good unless they also nerf their rules very hard indeed. Still, it does seem to be the bike edition, doesn't it?

Making a bike HQ give you biker troops seems like a strange choice when they don't sell any way of building a character on a bike. I was told that there would be a bike-boss kit, but I find it hard to believe given that they don't seem to have done that for any other faction.

I guess we'll see...

Now, someone's got to be first, right?
GW might go for the dual-kit approach here and make kit that allows for Wazzdakka/Random bike boss, maybe even rolled in one kit with Biker Nobz. If they do it, I'm all for it.

I'd love to have some new rumours though. Or, even better, some hard facts...

I can see them canning wazdakka and allowing any warboss on a bike to make bikes troops.

The more I think about most ork players don't own a lot of bikes, bikes are expensive, and GW wants money.

At the same time I can see them giving nob bikers a nerf and/or keeping them really expensive in points. I could see manz warboss =manz troops, bike warboss=bikes troops, foot warboss fot nobs=troops, and nob bikers are never troops.

Bike boys are expensive models, but converting them into nob bikers makes them very inexpensive for their points.

 Kosake wrote:
GW might go for the dual-kit approach here and make kit that allows for Wazzdakka/Random bike boss, maybe even rolled in one kit with Biker Nobz. If they do it, I'm all for it.

What I was told (by a source with a mixed record of accuracy, over a year ago, based on second-hand information...) was that there could be a dual kit (or maybe a triple kit) which made a wartrakk and a bike-riding character.

That seems like a somewhat plausible build, although it would be a leap in design from what we have seen from GW so far. Far more advanced than just a weapon-swap or some alternative heads and arms, which seems to be all they have really done so far with the dual kits.

The forgeworld bike nob has a tracked "hind wheel". So a wartrakk that can be turned into one big ride for the boss ain't that far off.

I have yet to see anything that is covered by forgeworld redone by gw... Sorry guys but a biker boss is a pipe dream.

Trygon was.

Valkyrie (i believe.. not an expert on IG stuff )

Ork Bommas. The Burnabomma in particular is very similar. Rules are a little different.

It has happened before. Not often though.

We'll see, when and if GW feels like updating Orks..

Uhhm... the Baneblade?

Afaik it was a FW modell before GW ever did one.

It just seems unlikely. However, the wood elves just got 3 new special characters in plastic so anything can happen...

Manticore, hydra, Leman russ Vanquisher, Leman Russ Executioner, Battle cannon turret emplacement, Eldar Night Spinner.

rothrich wrote:
It just seems unlikely. However, the wood elves just got 3 new special characters in plastic so anything can happen...

Three? I just see basically one, plus one hidden as a variant in a 50€ box.

 Kroothawk wrote:

rothrich wrote:
It just seems unlikely. However, the wood elves just got 3 new special characters in plastic so anything can happen...

Three? I just see basically one, plus one hidden as a variant in a 50€ box.

Tree man character (you may not like that he is a variant in the box but that doesn't change the fact that he is a plastic character), Aleroth hero, and the shadowdancer... I am not super familiar with fantasy so if I am wrong I apologize, but certainly she is a single mini that would at least be along the lines of a painboy mekboy or something like that... In any case she is a single mini.

I find the recent releases extremely interesting.

The Ogryn box included parts for a special character. Now Wood Elfs look to have a kit that includes an optional special character.

I wonder if Gazz will end up in a meganob box? Could they do a mek/boss bike kit that also allows for Wazzdakka? It is possible given some of the kits.

What other kits have included special character options? Empire Griffon
Empire Stage Coach
Ogryn/Nork
Lizardmen/ Carnisaur
Lizardmen/ Pterodactyl

Others? Maybe Dark Elves?

I think wazzdakka is a pipe dream bro I bet he and zogwart get the axe. Would be willing to put money on it. Maybe even the Mad doc himself will get the axe. I doubt we will get a nob biker kit or any other biker kit. The bike kit is really really cool and fairly new. Nob bikers are easily kitbashed or available via forgeworld. There are just too many other kits that have no model at all plus the inevitable 3 to 4 new units to fit in any kind of new bike kit.

remember we still need
deffcoptas
meganobz
flash gitz
buggies/wartrackks/scorchas (if they don't get the axe)

and of those there will inevitably be an option to build some other unit that is new and unknown. Lets really get our priorities straight. I mean There are only 2 warboss options for us to buy and neither of them carry a power claw, have a cybork body, or mega armor. Let us have some needs before we start wishing for wants. You can always stick the cool new plastic warboss with power klaw (crossing my fingers here) on a bike add some extra dakka and he will be a perfect wazzdakka.

Now that I finally own 27 Lootaz, im waiting for the nerf bat to swing...

Lets see Shootaz go back to Rapid Fire or something....

What I hope they would implement are Bonuses to certain charge rolls, like double six gives you rending or something...

Or Warbosses gain additional attacks for each wound they lose. There is so much potential here. I'm really afraid...

I doubt Wazzdakka and the Mad Doc will get axed. Maybe Zogwort, but they might replace him. But a new bike kit is out of the question, the current one is still good. If they were to revamp it, GW would probably just add a new sprue to the box.

Deffkoptas were practically assured to become a plastic set since Black Reach. Maybe something like bikes as well, with the options to give them big bomms (which are currently the pits).

My best guesses are:

Couple of characters canned. Zogwort most likely, then wazdakka and grotsnik.

Looted wagon replaced with something slightly different. Either dual-build kit or lots of options. Probably includes an anti-aircraft option. Possibly with big silly metal wheels like the old gobsmasha.

Buggies and/or wartrakks, alternative build could be a bikeboss/wazdakka, or some kind of new vehicle (like the FW grot bomb launcher).

Meganobs with alternative build, probably mega-mekboys or mega-flash-gits. Could include parts for a big mek in MA. Unlikely to make a MA warboss, since he would be significantly bigger than a nob.

Flash Gits or Deffkoptas. Probably with an alternative build. Whichever doesn't make it could get canned (more likely for FG).

Plastic blister character could be pretty much anyone except a bike or mega-armour warboss. Warboss with PK seems most needed, but they never seem to worry about that; did anyone want a new commissar with power sword and plasma pistol?

HairySticks wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

Bal4eva wrote:
I want them to add Roks as a dedicated transport like a drop pod.

Good luck with that... CSM still dont have our ones...

Its my understanding that CSM dont require drop pods... travelling through the warp is so much more efficient.. and infact requires no model to show it.

Orks already had a 'green tide' set too, an apoc formation set. 100boyz and a warboss... its gone now, there was also 3 battle wagons, 3 bombers, stompa, deff dreads & kans... I guess they didnt sell too many of those bundles tbh.

Actually not really. CSM have a variety of transports fluffwise from the giant dreadclaw drop pod to the drop pod to opening a passage through the warp. In terms of tabletop, chaos can't use any of this except with FW to deploy dreadclaws that aren't dedicated transport (they take up Fast which is the best slot) and the rest simply don't exist.

Anyways, time for dem orkses! Sadly, feels like some HQs will be lost. Expecting deffkopta plastic soon. Also expecting lootas to be nerfed whilst Flash Gitz continue to be a bad choice. They'll probably release a meganob force since it'd be surprising to see them remove those guys. Expecting a giant ork that is a mc.